kipper Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 the tv news keeps on talking about obamas manifesto. what is that? i wish they would leave him alone already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 This thread really comes off as pretty much trolling for political argument. You can get to this forum, but you don't have Google? Allow me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipper Posted May 18, 2013 Author Share Posted May 18, 2013 no im not trying to argue. i know what it means for like stalin and all that. but why do they use it only for obama? is this a bad word choice or are the news people saying he is like stalin? i thougth the word was only negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 the tv news keeps on talking about obamas manifesto. what is that? i wish they would leave him alone already The following definition is from the Online Merriam-Webster Dictionary. man·i·fes·to noun \ˌma-nə-ˈfes-(ˌ)tō\ plural man·i·fes·tos or man·i·fes·toes Definition of MANIFESTO : a written statement declaring publicly the intentions, motives, or views of its issuer See manifesto defined for English-language learners » See manifesto defined for kids » Examples of MANIFESTO The group's manifesto focused on helping the poor and stopping violence. Origin of MANIFESTO Italian, denunciation, manifest, from manifestare to manifest, from Latin, from manifestus First Known Use: 1620 As you can see from the above definition, MANIFESTO is not an inherently negative word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletMacaw Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 the tv news keeps on talking about obamas manifesto. what is that? i wish they would leave him alone already I don't think there is an "Obama manifesto." What tv news are you watching? Anything owned by Rupert Murdoch is just propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I don't think there is an "Obama manifesto." What tv news are you watching? Anything owned by Rupert Murdoch is just propaganda. Yet it was FOX News, and ONLY FOX News, that kept Benghazi from being swept under the rug. Until the AP Phone Records Scandal, all the rest of our Fourth Estate continued to be more than willing to prop up the Obama Administration agenda. Not so much now, though. Comments like this continue to reveal the grossly partisan nature of your world view. You are as close-minded (or worse) than those you castigate for being so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletMacaw Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Yet it was FOX News, and ONLY FOX News, that kept Benghazi from being swept under the rug. Until the AP Phone Records Scandal, all the rest of our Fourth Estate continued to be more than willing to prop up the Obama Administration agenda. Not so much now, though. Comments like this continue to reveal the grossly partisan nature of your world view. You are as close-minded (or worse) than those you castigate for being so. This is the last time I will respond directly to you, and it is for the benefit of anyone else who happens to be reading: I am not really an Obama supporter. I am not interested in "propping up" anyone's agenda. I am interested in encouraging people to critically analyze what they are told and consider the source (s). Most people only view/read one or two news sources, all of which have agendas. To be informed of what is going on, you have to read many sources, but also have an understanding of what propaganda is. Sadly many people are unable to analyze what is fact v. opinion, what is loaded language ("manifesto"), what is innuendo/smear tactic, etc. Some people (not necessarily the OP) just believe whatever they hear on the news, as long as it's a channel they "trust" based on a belief that they and the news organization have the same "beliefs" and "values." Rupert Murdoch's agenda is to further his own interests. His "value" and "belief" is self interest (as it is for many people). There is an old saying: "Freedom of the Press belongs to those who own one." Fortunately this saying is somewhat outdated in today's world in which it is possible to read many, many sources of information, including blogs, foreign news outlets, and even message boards such as this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dawg Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Let's see what 'mani- festered' under Obama: a health care system that he can not fund, A sequester because he can't reach a political compromise, Bengahazi scandal that continues to fester into an annoying bulbous, an IRS scandal that targeted political rivals, an Armed Forces riddled with sex scandals involving Generals and Officers charged with rooting the problem out. Your man is doing pretty well. I can't remember a sitting President presiding over such a limited amount of issues. He makes Tricky Dick look like a one trick pony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dawg Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 This is the last time I will respond directly to you, and it is for the benefit of anyone else who happens to be reading: I am not really an Obama supporter. I am not interested in "propping up" anyone's agenda. I am interested in encouraging people to critically analyze what they are told and consider the source (s). Most people only view/read one or two news sources, all of which have agendas. To be informed of what is going on, you have to read many sources, but also have an understanding of what propaganda is. Sadly many people are unable to analyze what is fact v. opinion, what is loaded language ("manifesto"), what is innuendo/smear tactic, etc. Some people (not necessarily the OP) just believe whatever they hear on the news, as long as it's a channel they "trust" based on a belief that they and the news organization have the same "beliefs" and "values." Rupert Murdoch's agenda is to further his own interests. His "value" and "belief" is self interest (as it is for many people). There is an old saying: "Freedom of the Press belongs to those who own one." Fortunately this saying is somewhat outdated in today's world in which it is possible to read many, many sources of information, including blogs, foreign news outlets, and even message boards such as this one. You flatter yourself. Like most liberals, You are so much smarter than everyone they are trying to benefit. Do me a favor. Don't do any for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redirtuo Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Fox news does a pretty decent job of scaring old white people into thinking everyone is out to get them, their flag, their bible, and their gun. It's obvious the average age of the fox news viewer is like 68. Just look at the advertising. Gold, what's in your safe? Hearing aids and TV viewing goggles(buy one pair, get one pair free) and the best one yet: Ballroom Jeans lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 A reductio at stalinum is just the same as a reductio at hitlerum. Fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redirtuo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 grrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 My strategy for winnowing out fact from political cant: 1) Read a conservative news magazine like the Weekly Standard 2) Read a "mainstream" news magazine like Time or Newsweek for the same period. 3) Read that month's issue of Mother Jones. Digest and reflect. If I were a Brit (I assume some posters are) I would make a point of reading BOTH The Economist and The New Statesman. I don't know a British equivalent to The Weekly Standard but there probably is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 My strategy for winnowing out fact from political cant: 1) Read a conservative news magazine like the Weekly Standard 2) Read a "mainstream" news magazine like Time or Newsweek for the same period. 3) Read that month's issue of Mother Jones. Digest and reflect. If I were a Brit (I assume some posters are) I would make a point of reading BOTH The Economist and The New Statesman. I don't know a British equivalent to The Weekly Standard but there probably is one. You missed a few,......no worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipper Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share Posted May 21, 2013 I don't think there is an "Obama manifesto." What tv news are you watching? Anything owned by Rupert Murdoch is just propaganda. i never watch fox news unless its on at the cafe. i hate when someone puts that on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletMacaw Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 You flatter yourself. Like most liberals, You are so much smarter than everyone they are trying to benefit. Do me a favor. Don't do any for me. The easiest way to manipulate people is to prey on their insecurities and to create an "Us v. Them" attitude, e.g.: "THEY think they're smarter than you!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 The easiest way to manipulate people is to prey on their insecurities and to create an "Us v. Them" attitude Kinda like our current President? Us vs. Bankers Us vs. Doctors Us vs. Auto Execs Us vs. Wall Street Us vs. Insurance companies Us vs. Business owners Us vs. Rich people Ad. Fucking. Nauseum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeppy668 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Yet it was FOX News, and ONLY FOX News, that kept Benghazi from being swept under the rug. While this is true, Benghazi has been made into a much larger media event (because the Republicans are desperate to pounce on Hillary before 2016) than it really is. The death of four Americans under shady circumstances is no small matter but investigate the CIA's role in this and you'll see it quickly become a silent issue among Republicans. That's the point. They're not interesting in actually finding out what happened, they just want to hammer Clinton and Obama in the press as much as they can. Listening to some of these Republicans talk about the situation leads me to believe that before this happened, they thought Benghazi was the name of some kind of Japanese anti-fungal ointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 While this is true, Benghazi has been made into a much larger media event (because the Republicans are desperate to pounce on Hillary before 2016) than it really is. The death of four Americans under shady circumstances is no small matter but investigate the CIA's role in this and you'll see it quickly become a silent issue among Republicans. That's the point. They're not interesting in actually finding out what happened, they just want to hammer Clinton and Obama in the press as much as they can. Listening to some of these Republicans talk about the situation leads me to believe that before this happened, they thought Benghazi was the name of some kind of Japanese anti-fungal ointment. One party politicizing a particular event in order to damage the other party - surely you jest? They all do it, but that doesn't change the fact that Obama was more interested in re-election than dealing with a poorly-timed foreign policy grenade. He counted on the media's unflagging support, no matter how flimsy the excuse, and their willingness to provide the necessary cover for the Anointed One. After all, Operation Second Term was their prime directive. So they dutifully dived on the Benghazi grenade, and kept the Anti-Muslim Video charade alive as long as possible, and then quickly moving on to other news, hopefully to be forgotten among Beyoncé and Jay-Z's latest vacation and the latest couple to be voted off Dancing With The Stars. And the very next day Obama was in fucking Las Vegas for a fundraiser while they were still trying to locate Christopher Stephens' body. First things first, am I right? Fucking despicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeppy668 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 One party politicizing a particular event in order to damage the other party - surely you jest? They all do it, but that doesn't change the fact that Obama was more interested in re-election than dealing with a poorly-timed foreign policy grenade. I'll answer this with your own statement. They all do it, Fucking despicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I'll answer this by constructing a response from out-of-context and unrelated phrases from your own statement. FTFY. Not very effective, because it wasn't my statement. You'd make a great White House Press Secretary, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeppy668 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 *Walks away from the sight of your head up your own ass* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redirtuo Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Since 9/11/2012 somewhere around 100 U.S. Military have been killed in Afghanistan. Don't see much about that on the news anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Since 9/11/2012 somewhere around 100 U.S. Military have been killed in Afghanistan. Don't see much about that on the news anymore. Actually, there was a literal body count on the front page every fucking day Bush was in office, that quietly went away once Obama took office, even though the deaths didn't stop. Not defending Bush, just pointing out the media hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redirtuo Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Actually, there was a literal body count on the front page every fucking day Bush was in office, that quietly went away once Obama took office, even though the deaths didn't stop. Not defending Bush, just pointing out the media hypocrisy. I remember that, and you are right about media hypocrisy. Just this month alone 7 were killed in one day. Actually starting the first year Obama took office the troops killed in Afghanistan have more than tripled and have been that way since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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