weslgarlic Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/26/ian-brady A court artist's sketch of Ian Brady. His QC says there is no therapeutic benefit to him staying in Ashworth hospital. Photograph: Elizabeth Cook/PA Ian Brady is just "an elderly, socially isolated man talking to the television" rather than a paranoid schizophrenic, his mental healthtribunal heard on Wednesday. The 75-year-old Moors murderer is being treated as a "special case" by the hospital fighting to halt his transfer to prison, his barrister, Nathalie Lieven QC, said in her closing speech. She argued Ashworth hospital, where Brady has been held since 1985, may have "lost perspective" in being drawn into a battle with their most high profile patient. His personality disorder was "fixed and static" and could be properly managed in prison. His lack of mental illness meant it would be "utterly perverse" to treat him any differently from anyone else in similar circumstances. Three independent experts called by Brady's legal team have concluded that he is not mentally ill. They agree he has a severe personality disorder which caused him to tell the tribunal that his murders were simply "recreational killing". Lieven said there was no therapeutic benefit in Brady staying in Ashworth. "There is an impasse between the hospital and the patient," she said. She added: "Mr Brady is being treated as a special case – whether that's because Ashworth has lost perspective and has been drawn into a battle or because of misplaced maternalism, it is not clear." Recent cited incidents of hallucination all happened in his room and could be reasonably explained as Brady being "an elderly, socially isolated man talking to the television", she said. Despite evidence that he regularly eats toast and soup, she said his denial that he was eating by choice was because he could not show vulnerability or "loss of face". He would also have been tired from giving evidence at the end of a long tribunal – although he would not admit it. But Eleanor Grey QC, for Ashworth hospital, said Brady still suffered from the same "disabling" paranoid schizophrenia which resulted in his being sectioned 27 years ago. "We say this has been a long-standing chronic illness with prognostic implications, that the nature of the case of untreated schizophrenia is that it does not vanish," she said, noting that Brady failed to answer six times earlier this week why he wanted to return to prison. Lieven said there was no reason to believe he would immediately go on hunger strike in jail. The panel is expected to announce its final decision by the end of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenog Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 If Brady is not mentally ill, as he claims, then perhaps he might for once in his rotten life reveal where the body of Keith Bennett is buried. Keith's brother is still fighting to find Keith's remains and give him a proper resting place. RIP all of the child victims of Brady and Myra Hindley. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/26/ian-brady A court artist's sketch of Ian Brady. His QC says there is no therapeutic benefit to him staying in Ashworth hospital. Photograph: Elizabeth Cook/PA Ian Brady is just "an elderly, socially isolated man talking to the television" rather than a paranoid schizophrenic, his mental healthtribunal heard on Wednesday. The 75-year-old Moors murderer is being treated as a "special case" by the hospital fighting to halt his transfer to prison, his barrister, Nathalie Lieven QC, said in her closing speech. She argued Ashworth hospital, where Brady has been held since 1985, may have "lost perspective" in being drawn into a battle with their most high profile patient. His personality disorder was "fixed and static" and could be properly managed in prison. His lack of mental illness meant it would be "utterly perverse" to treat him any differently from anyone else in similar circumstances. Three independent experts called by Brady's legal team have concluded that he is not mentally ill. They agree he has a severe personality disorder which caused him to tell the tribunal that his murders were simply "recreational killing". Lieven said there was no therapeutic benefit in Brady staying in Ashworth. "There is an impasse between the hospital and the patient," she said. She added: "Mr Brady is being treated as a special case – whether that's because Ashworth has lost perspective and has been drawn into a battle or because of misplaced maternalism, it is not clear." Recent cited incidents of hallucination all happened in his room and could be reasonably explained as Brady being "an elderly, socially isolated man talking to the television", she said. Despite evidence that he regularly eats toast and soup, she said his denial that he was eating by choice was because he could not show vulnerability or "loss of face". He would also have been tired from giving evidence at the end of a long tribunal – although he would not admit it. But Eleanor Grey QC, for Ashworth hospital, said Brady still suffered from the same "disabling" paranoid schizophrenia which resulted in his being sectioned 27 years ago. "We say this has been a long-standing chronic illness with prognostic implications, that the nature of the case of untreated schizophrenia is that it does not vanish," she said, noting that Brady failed to answer six times earlier this week why he wanted to return to prison. Lieven said there was no reason to believe he would immediately go on hunger strike in jail. The panel is expected to announce its final decision by the end of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weslgarlic Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 If Brady is not mentally ill, as he claims, then perhaps he might for once in his rotten life reveal where the body of Keith Bennett is buried. Keith's brother is still fighting to find Keith's remains and give him a proper resting place. RIP all of the child victims of Brady and Myra Hindley. That's his power ...but he probably does not remember himself where he's buried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenog Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Good point about the power issue. Apparently, he tried making out that there were other victims buried in the Campsie Hills outside of Glasgow in case Keith's remains were discovered, and he needed to have another hold over the authorities. On the question of not knowing where Keith is, I am not so sure. I know they took him out on the Moors years back, and that the Moors is a massive area. However, Hindley's brother-in-law, David Smith (the man who gave them away to the Police) apparently gave more detail on the areas the gruesome twosome used to visit. David Smith unfortunately died last year, but the Bennett family are hoping for help to search again on the basis of the information given. That's his power ...but he probably does not remember himself where he's buried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weslgarlic Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 Good point about the power issue. Apparently, he tried making out that there were other victims buried in the Campsie Hills outside of Glasgow in case Keith's remains were discovered, and he needed to have another hold over the authorities. On the question of not knowing where Keith is, I am not so sure. I know they took him out on the Moors years back, and that the Moors is a massive area. However, Hindley's brother-in-law, David Smith (the man who gave them away to the Police) apparently gave more detail on the areas the gruesome twosome used to visit. David Smith unfortunately died last year, but the Bennett family are hoping for help to search again on the basis of the information given. I suppose any child from that went missing and never found from that era could be an potential victim , if you believe a word he says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrum Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/26/ian-brady Three independent experts called by Brady's legal team have concluded that he is not mentally ill. Sounds like the same crap that 'Vincent 'The Chin' Gigante tried to pull in NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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