Oxford grooming gang jailed: Doghar and Karrar brothers get life for abuse and rape of young girls

[weslgarlic]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/oxford-grooming-gang-jailed-dogar-and-karrar-brothers-get-life-for-abuse-and-rape-of-young-girls-8677159.html

Seven members of a gang which groomed girls as young as 12 and subjected them to “dreadful” sexual abuse over the course of eight years have been sentenced to at least 95 years in prison.

The men, who ran a child sexual abuse ring in Oxford, were convicted of a range of offences, including the rape and trafficking of young girls around the country for sex. Five of them have been given life sentences, with two more sentenced to a total of seven years each.

There were tears in the public gallery, where four of the six victims who gave evidence during the lengthy trial sat with family and friends.

The mother of Girl A said that the ordeal of a near five-month trial was been “long and harrowing”. In a statement read by police outside court, she said: “We were a happy family, living in a good area. We never imagined this could be possible and we want to make other parents and carers aware that this type of crime can happen anywhere. It’s not about location, it’s about the perpetrators. It isn’t about affluence or poverty - these men deliberately targeted and groomed our daughter regardless of our family background. They took her from us and we will never get those lost years back.

“It is important that every single one of us is vigilant and observant of children’s behaviour and we urge anyone with any concerns to follow their instincts and come forward. If you have any concerns at all, tell someone before it’s too late.”

One of the convicted men Mohammed Karrar refused to come up from the cells to hear sentence passed and both Akhtar Dogar and Assad Hussain stood up and walked out shortly after hearing their own sentences.

Judge Peter Rook told them they committed “exceptionally grave crimes” against the girls and said that the “depravity” they showed was extreme. He told one of the men as he passed sentence: “You targeted the young girls because they were vulnerable, under-age and out of control.”

And the judge spoke of the “courage” shown by the victims, many of whom were in care homes while they were being abused, in giving evidence. He said that he hoped their actions would mean that authorities would not repeat past failings and condemn yet more vulnerable children to years of abuse.

He told the men: “There can be no doubt that you have blighted [your victims’] lives and robbed them of their adolescence.” And he added: “Each of the six young girls has shown enormous courage in coming to the Old Bailey to give evidence, knowing they would be accused of lying, knowing they would have to relive their ordeals and knowing they have not been believed before. The jury has found they have come to the court to tell the truth.”

Brothers Akhtar, 32, and Anjum Dogar, 31, were both given life sentences and were told they would serve a minimum of 17 years each before being considered for release.

The other set of brothers Mohammed, 38, and Bassam Karrar, 34, were also given life sentences. Mohammed was told he will serve a minimum of 20 years in prison and his younger brother 15 years before they will be considered for release. Kamar Jamil, 27, was handed a life sentence with a minimum of 12 years to be served. Each of the men was also given a sentence of between eight and twenty years for other offences. They will run concurrently.

Assad Hussain, 32, and Zeeshan Ahmed, 28, were both sentenced to five and two-year terms running consecutively; making a total of seven years each. The judge told them they would spend half of that time behind bars, with the second half being served on licence. Each was also told he is subject to a Sexual Offences Prevention Order.

As he was led away, Zeeshan Ahmed attempted to hold up a sign to the court but it was quickly snatched away from him by security staff. He shook his head and muttered throughout the judge’s remarks.

Speaking outside of the court, Senior Investigating Officer Simon Morton, who led Operation Bullfinch, said: “This is a great result for the victims. At last they can see justice has been done. These men have received a total of at least 95 years. The girls can now start to move on with their lives knowing the men that caused them so much pain are locked up.

“More than that, every victim around the country can see that justice does work. If you’ve suffered like these girls have, please come and tell us your story, we can help you.

“There is another message here. Anyone out there who even thinks of committing sexual atrocities like these needs to look over their shoulder and keep looking over their shoulder. We know how you work, we know how you think. Be in no doubt, we are coming for you.”

Chief Crown Prosecutor in the Thames and Chiltern area Baljit Ubhey said: “The victims in this case were targeted because of their vulnerability and then cynically exploited. They were given drink and drugs; they were shown attention to make them feel special, all of which was insincere and designed solely to make them feel indebted to their abusers; they were then coerced into sexual acts by emotional pressure, intimidation, threats and violence. As a result, these girls were left in absolutely no position to give true and free consent to sexual acts.

“This is an important point for other victims out there, who may think that they won’t be believed because they too seemingly ‘agreed’ to sexual activity. The background and context of such sexual activity is of crucial importance and victims who are forced to succumb to it by the use of such tactics do not, in the eyes of the law, consent to it.”

A Serious Case Review has been ordered into the failings of authorities to stop the gang, which first appeared on their radar six years before its members were finally arrested.

[kenog]

wes,

you seem to be concentrating on the crime news at the moment. On this one, it is a relief when what is ostensibly a crowd of paedophiles get brought to justice. Pity the authorities hadn't cottoned on earlier.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/oxford-grooming-gang-jailed-dogar-and-karrar-brothers-get-life-for-abuse-and-rape-of-young-girls-8677159.html

Seven members of a gang which groomed girls as young as 12 and subjected them to “dreadful” sexual abuse over the course of eight years have been sentenced to at least 95 years in prison.

The men, who ran a child sexual abuse ring in Oxford, were convicted of a range of offences, including the rape and trafficking of young girls around the country for sex. Five of them have been given life sentences, with two more sentenced to a total of seven years each.

There were tears in the public gallery, where four of the six victims who gave evidence during the lengthy trial sat with family and friends.

The mother of Girl A said that the ordeal of a near five-month trial was been “long and harrowing”. In a statement read by police outside court, she said: “We were a happy family, living in a good area. We never imagined this could be possible and we want to make other parents and carers aware that this type of crime can happen anywhere. It’s not about location, it’s about the perpetrators. It isn’t about affluence or poverty - these men deliberately targeted and groomed our daughter regardless of our family background. They took her from us and we will never get those lost years back.

“It is important that every single one of us is vigilant and observant of children’s behaviour and we urge anyone with any concerns to follow their instincts and come forward. If you have any concerns at all, tell someone before it’s too late.”

One of the convicted men Mohammed Karrar refused to come up from the cells to hear sentence passed and both Akhtar Dogar and Assad Hussain stood up and walked out shortly after hearing their own sentences.

Judge Peter Rook told them they committed “exceptionally grave crimes” against the girls and said that the “depravity” they showed was extreme. He told one of the men as he passed sentence: “You targeted the young girls because they were vulnerable, under-age and out of control.”

And the judge spoke of the “courage” shown by the victims, many of whom were in care homes while they were being abused, in giving evidence. He said that he hoped their actions would mean that authorities would not repeat past failings and condemn yet more vulnerable children to years of abuse.

He told the men: “There can be no doubt that you have blighted [your victims’] lives and robbed them of their adolescence.” And he added: “Each of the six young girls has shown enormous courage in coming to the Old Bailey to give evidence, knowing they would be accused of lying, knowing they would have to relive their ordeals and knowing they have not been believed before. The jury has found they have come to the court to tell the truth.”

Brothers Akhtar, 32, and Anjum Dogar, 31, were both given life sentences and were told they would serve a minimum of 17 years each before being considered for release.

The other set of brothers Mohammed, 38, and Bassam Karrar, 34, were also given life sentences. Mohammed was told he will serve a minimum of 20 years in prison and his younger brother 15 years before they will be considered for release. Kamar Jamil, 27, was handed a life sentence with a minimum of 12 years to be served. Each of the men was also given a sentence of between eight and twenty years for other offences. They will run concurrently.

Assad Hussain, 32, and Zeeshan Ahmed, 28, were both sentenced to five and two-year terms running consecutively; making a total of seven years each. The judge told them they would spend half of that time behind bars, with the second half being served on licence. Each was also told he is subject to a Sexual Offences Prevention Order.

As he was led away, Zeeshan Ahmed attempted to hold up a sign to the court but it was quickly snatched away from him by security staff. He shook his head and muttered throughout the judge’s remarks.

Speaking outside of the court, Senior Investigating Officer Simon Morton, who led Operation Bullfinch, said: “This is a great result for the victims. At last they can see justice has been done. These men have received a total of at least 95 years. The girls can now start to move on with their lives knowing the men that caused them so much pain are locked up.

“More than that, every victim around the country can see that justice does work. If you’ve suffered like these girls have, please come and tell us your story, we can help you.

“There is another message here. Anyone out there who even thinks of committing sexual atrocities like these needs to look over their shoulder and keep looking over their shoulder. We know how you work, we know how you think. Be in no doubt, we are coming for you.”

Chief Crown Prosecutor in the Thames and Chiltern area Baljit Ubhey said: “The victims in this case were targeted because of their vulnerability and then cynically exploited. They were given drink and drugs; they were shown attention to make them feel special, all of which was insincere and designed solely to make them feel indebted to their abusers; they were then coerced into sexual acts by emotional pressure, intimidation, threats and violence. As a result, these girls were left in absolutely no position to give true and free consent to sexual acts.

“This is an important point for other victims out there, who may think that they won’t be believed because they too seemingly ‘agreed’ to sexual activity. The background and context of such sexual activity is of crucial importance and victims who are forced to succumb to it by the use of such tactics do not, in the eyes of the law, consent to it.”

A Serious Case Review has been ordered into the failings of authorities to stop the gang, which first appeared on their radar six years before its members were finally arrested.

[weslgarlic]

wes,

you seem to be concentrating on the crime news at the moment. On this one, it is a relief when what is ostensibly a crowd of paedophiles get brought to justice. Pity the authorities hadn't cottoned on earlier.

Yes I seemed to be the only one on the forum........................... There as been number of similar cases........ It;s hard not to sound racist but a lot involve Asian men and young white girls

The attitude appears to be that because white girls come a more liberal background they get everything they deserve

[redrum]

Slavery lives in their twisted minds. ASSHOLES!!!

[ScarletMacaw]

Yes I seemed to be the only one on the forum........................... There as been number of similar cases........ It;s hard not to sound racist but a lot involve Asian men and young white girls

The attitude appears to be that because white girls come a more liberal background they get everything they deserve

Instead of making an offhand remark, perhaps you could compile statistics comparing perpetrators by race, from the past 10 years or so, and present us with a detailed report. Perhaps you could also do in-depth interviews and other empirical research that would lend credence to your cause-and-effect analysis, because otherwise it does come across as bigotry. I can tell you that here in the US, the ethnic groups you seem to be referring to are not the ones most often implicated in sex trafficking. I read a lot of bios of troubled teens in my work, some have been caught up in prostitution and I don't have the impression the pimps are "Asian." Neither are most of the girls "white."

[pottedplant]

[JP78]

Instead of making an offhand remark, perhaps you could compile statistics comparing perpetrators by race, from the past 10 years or so, and present us with a detailed report. Perhaps you could also do in-depth interviews and other empirical research that would lend credence to your cause-and-effect analysis, because otherwise it does come across as bigotry. I can tell you that here in the US, the ethnic groups you seem to be referring to are not the ones most often implicated in sex trafficking. I read a lot of bios of troubled teens in my work, some have been caught up in prostitution and I don't have the impression the pimps are "Asian." Neither are most of the girls "white."

in the United States when we talk of "Asian" we usually refer to people of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Filipino, vietnamese etc .

in the UK i think Asian is usually used for people of "south asian" descent such as Indian, pakistani etc. and maybe Arabs but i'm not sure about that one.

[kenog]

Why should he do that when it is a discussion forum where members are free to express an opinion? This is not an academic website, and as I have pointed out to you before, we have many highly educated members here. Why don't you go the whole hog and tell him whether you want him to use Harvard or Vancouver referencing in the suggested report.

As another member pointed out to you not too long ago, this site is supposed to be fun for members.

Instead of making an offhand remark, perhaps you could compile statistics comparing perpetrators by race, from the past 10 years or so, and present us with a detailed report. Perhaps you could also do in-depth interviews and other empirical research that would lend credence to your cause-and-effect analysis, because otherwise it does come across as bigotry. I can tell you that here in the US, the ethnic groups you seem to be referring to are not the ones most often implicated in sex trafficking. I read a lot of bios of troubled teens in my work, some have been caught up in prostitution and I don't have the impression the pimps are "Asian." Neither are most of the girls "white."

[weslgarlic]

Instead of making an offhand remark, perhaps you could compile statistics comparing perpetrators by race, from the past 10 years or so, and present us with a detailed report. Perhaps you could also do in-depth interviews and other empirical research that would lend credence to your cause-and-effect analysis, because otherwise it does come across as bigotry. I can tell you that here in the US, the ethnic groups you seem to be referring to are not the ones most often implicated in sex trafficking. I read a lot of bios of troubled teens in my work, some have been caught up in prostitution and I don't have the impression the pimps are "Asian." Neither are most of the girls "white."

I suppose most perpetrators are men , that does mean most men are like that - it's just there as been a number of cases brought to light by the media that involved Asian men and white girls ,But in the same way I'm not saying that most Asian men are like that

Edited June 28, 2013 by weslgarlic

[kenog]

Wes,

I have been doing quite a bit of online reading regarding the police investigations into paedophile rings in the UK, and the one thing that keeps emerging is the use of children who are/were in children's homes, or from families where there is little parental supervision. I suppose the underlying idea is that nobody cares about what happens to the kids.

You may want to take a look at Operation Fernbridge which is concentrating on a gay brothel in London where children from a local care home were abused. A children's charity worker made a list of the clients before the police could destroy the evidence, and there are a number of famous names on it.

The attitude appears to be that because white girls come a more liberal background they get everything they deserve

Edited June 28, 2013 by kenog

[weslgarlic]

Wes,

I have been doing quite a bit of online reading regarding the police investigations into paedophile rings in the UK, and the one thing that keeps emerging is the use of children who are/were in children's homes, or from families where there is little parental supervision. I suppose the underlying idea is that nobody cares about what happens to the kids.

You may want to take a look at Operation Fernbridge which is concentrating on a gay brothel in London where children from a local care home were abused. A children's charity worker made a list of the clients before the police could destroy the evidence, and there are a number of famous names on it.

There have been cases of abuse by so-called carers too

[clw]

No extra air to breathe for people like this, another I hate with a passion is any form of animal abuse

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/oxford-grooming-gang-jailed-dogar-and-karrar-brothers-get-life-for-abuse-and-rape-of-young-girls-8677159.html

Seven members of a gang which groomed girls as young as 12 and subjected them to “dreadful” sexual abuse over the course of eight years have been sentenced to at least 95 years in prison.

The men, who ran a child sexual abuse ring in Oxford, were convicted of a range of offences, including the rape and trafficking of young girls around the country for sex. Five of them have been given life sentences, with two more sentenced to a total of seven years each.

There were tears in the public gallery, where four of the six victims who gave evidence during the lengthy trial sat with family and friends.

The mother of Girl A said that the ordeal of a near five-month trial was been “long and harrowing”. In a statement read by police outside court, she said: “We were a happy family, living in a good area. We never imagined this could be possible and we want to make other parents and carers aware that this type of crime can happen anywhere. It’s not about location, it’s about the perpetrators. It isn’t about affluence or poverty - these men deliberately targeted and groomed our daughter regardless of our family background. They took her from us and we will never get those lost years back.

“It is important that every single one of us is vigilant and observant of children’s behaviour and we urge anyone with any concerns to follow their instincts and come forward. If you have any concerns at all, tell someone before it’s too late.”

One of the convicted men Mohammed Karrar refused to come up from the cells to hear sentence passed and both Akhtar Dogar and Assad Hussain stood up and walked out shortly after hearing their own sentences.

Judge Peter Rook told them they committed “exceptionally grave crimes” against the girls and said that the “depravity” they showed was extreme. He told one of the men as he passed sentence: “You targeted the young girls because they were vulnerable, under-age and out of control.”

And the judge spoke of the “courage” shown by the victims, many of whom were in care homes while they were being abused, in giving evidence. He said that he hoped their actions would mean that authorities would not repeat past failings and condemn yet more vulnerable children to years of abuse.

He told the men: “There can be no doubt that you have blighted [your victims’] lives and robbed them of their adolescence.” And he added: “Each of the six young girls has shown enormous courage in coming to the Old Bailey to give evidence, knowing they would be accused of lying, knowing they would have to relive their ordeals and knowing they have not been believed before. The jury has found they have come to the court to tell the truth.”

Brothers Akhtar, 32, and Anjum Dogar, 31, were both given life sentences and were told they would serve a minimum of 17 years each before being considered for release.

The other set of brothers Mohammed, 38, and Bassam Karrar, 34, were also given life sentences. Mohammed was told he will serve a minimum of 20 years in prison and his younger brother 15 years before they will be considered for release. Kamar Jamil, 27, was handed a life sentence with a minimum of 12 years to be served. Each of the men was also given a sentence of between eight and twenty years for other offences. They will run concurrently.

Assad Hussain, 32, and Zeeshan Ahmed, 28, were both sentenced to five and two-year terms running consecutively; making a total of seven years each. The judge told them they would spend half of that time behind bars, with the second half being served on licence. Each was also told he is subject to a Sexual Offences Prevention Order.

As he was led away, Zeeshan Ahmed attempted to hold up a sign to the court but it was quickly snatched away from him by security staff. He shook his head and muttered throughout the judge’s remarks.

Speaking outside of the court, Senior Investigating Officer Simon Morton, who led Operation Bullfinch, said: “This is a great result for the victims. At last they can see justice has been done. These men have received a total of at least 95 years. The girls can now start to move on with their lives knowing the men that caused them so much pain are locked up.

“More than that, every victim around the country can see that justice does work. If you’ve suffered like these girls have, please come and tell us your story, we can help you.

“There is another message here. Anyone out there who even thinks of committing sexual atrocities like these needs to look over their shoulder and keep looking over their shoulder. We know how you work, we know how you think. Be in no doubt, we are coming for you.”

Chief Crown Prosecutor in the Thames and Chiltern area Baljit Ubhey said: “The victims in this case were targeted because of their vulnerability and then cynically exploited. They were given drink and drugs; they were shown attention to make them feel special, all of which was insincere and designed solely to make them feel indebted to their abusers; they were then coerced into sexual acts by emotional pressure, intimidation, threats and violence. As a result, these girls were left in absolutely no position to give true and free consent to sexual acts.

“This is an important point for other victims out there, who may think that they won’t be believed because they too seemingly ‘agreed’ to sexual activity. The background and context of such sexual activity is of crucial importance and victims who are forced to succumb to it by the use of such tactics do not, in the eyes of the law, consent to it.”

A Serious Case Review has been ordered into the failings of authorities to stop the gang, which first appeared on their radar six years before its members were finally arrested.

[Anjin-san]

[Disco Duck]

Yes I seemed to be the only one on the forum........................... There as been number of similar cases........ It;s hard not to sound racist but a lot involve Asian men and young white girls

The attitude appears to be that because white girls come a more liberal background they get everything they deserve

I'm glad they put the bastards away and that their victims received some semblance of justice. However, one thing about this case has bothered me from Day One. The implication that all of the men's victims were white girls. Don't you believe it. Men that predatory, that sleazy and that callous wouldn't hesitate to victimize black or Asian girls if they thought they could get away with it. I'd bet my next paycheck that the Dhogars and Karrars have non-white victims. Why haven't we read about them in the media coverage of this case? I don't know. One possible explanation is that the black or Asian victims didn't come forward. Another explanation is that some Asian or black victims did come forward but the authorities didn't believe them.

[pottedplant]

Another explanation is that they thought they could get more money for the white girls...just sayin'. These guys are human garbage no matter what color the girls were. IMHO

[Disco Duck]

Sometimes I really hate it when I'm right.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/10/british-asian-girls-hidden-target-sex-abuse-gangs/?intcmp=obinsite

I'm glad they put the bastards away and that their victims received some semblance of justice. However, one thing about this case has bothered me from Day One. The implication that all of the men's victims were white girls. Don't you believe it. Men that predatory, that sleazy and that callous wouldn't hesitate to victimize black or Asian girls if they thought they could get away with it. I'd bet my next paycheck that the Dhogars and Karrars have non-white victims. Why haven't we read about them in the media coverage of this case? I don't know. One possible explanation is that the black or Asian victims didn't come forward. Another explanation is that some Asian or black victims did come forward but the authorities didn't believe them.

[slave to zep]

also this ....

sick bastards in this world .... i say castrate them all. un-islamic to stop child brides, apparently. religion, gotta love it.

NOT!

http://www.albawaba....n-rights-519066

[weslgarlic]

also this ....

sick bastards in this world .... i say castrate them all. un-islamic to stop child brides, apparently. religion, gotta love it.

NOT!

http://www.albawaba....n-rights-519066

I am genuinely lost for words