Conspiracy Theories...

[slave to zep]

So jet engines which are made of metals like Titanium just vaporized? Where were the engines from the pentagon crash?

Many eyewitnesses heard multiple explosions during the fall of both towers. (this includes firemen and police)

There is video footage of plumes of smoke visible from each floor as if explosive devices were being detonated.

Steel girders recovered from the 911 site were cut in a diagonal fashion similar to those cut when a building is being purposely demolished.

There was molten metal in a pool which burned red hot for weeks after the incident, only the explosive Thermite would be hot enough to burn for such a long period of time.

Thermite is an explosive designed exclusively for building demolition.

Many eyewitnesses have said that there were no windows like those of a commercial airliner on the plane that hit the 2nd tower, no one looked up to see the first crash.

Many have said that there were explosions at ground level or below before any planes struck the towers.

Broadcast news were quick to edit previously aired footage of the second strike.

I could go on but it's time for bed.

Naw... I don't think it was a conspiracy... who would have anything to gain by doing such a thing? Well I can think of a couple of guys who lined their pockets with cash during the war. So did a certain building owner who changed his insurance just weeks before the attack by including terrorism in his policy. Lets no forget the company that a certain fellow used to be the CEO of that made billions from the war.... goodnight....

and why are so many family and friends, and RESCUERS of VICTIMS so angry, so upset that they cannot get answers to so many questions ...

many people who were there at the scenes, at the time, know that things don't add up.

all that you have stated, and more .....for eg, where are the black boxes?

where is the ctv from the pentagon?

[kipper]

and why are so many family and friends, and RESCUERS of VICTIMS so angry, so upset that they cannot get answers to so many questions ...

many people who were there at the scenes, at the time, know that things don't add up.

all that you have stated, and more .....for eg, where are the black boxes?

where is the ctv from the pentagon?

those people are just really dumb. there was plenty of proof as well as photos of the airplane debris that hit the pentagon.

[justanotherbum]

those people are just really dumb. there was plenty of proof as well as photos of the airplane debris that hit the pentagon.

Yeah there was plenty of debris small enough so that one person could pick up and carry away even the biggest pieces. Those pieces could have also been placed there by one person as to make us all think that a plane crash had occurred. So you said there were pictures? Show me pictures of the engines....

[slave to zep]

those people are just really dumb. there was plenty of proof as well as photos of the airplane debris that hit the pentagon.

what kind of statement is that? how can you say that they are all just dumb. that is a cop-out.

there SHOULD have been loads of photos, and LOADS of CTV footage, but .........

[justanotherbum]

Nice cover up website. Pictures and diagrams of what another plane looked like after it struck concrete. I'm not interested in the test some yahoo made I want to know what happened at the Pentagon. You can't make a decision on what actually happened because there were only a hand full of pictures released from the site. Why? All that time and investigating and so few pictures that we were able to view? Is it a secret that "something" happened at the Pentagon?

Look at these pictures, this is what happened when Bobby crashed his bike into a tree. We don't have but a few pictures to show you what happened when Tommy crashed his bike into a tree but you can believe me when I say the results were the same. Really?

There were light posts and other obstacles that even the most experienced pilot would have had trouble navigating through to do what was done. Yet a pilot with just a few weeks training did it.

"So I'm telling you the truth boys, this plane flew through all these obstacles and maintained a perfectly level approach not catching a wing tip or anything on a light post, a vehicle, the ground, nothing"

I saw the diagrams of the plane, and the building and what those diagrams show should be the extent of the damage to the Pentagon but you know what there wasn't that kind of damage. The length of the wingspan was... and the damage to the Pentagon was measured at how many feet?

Something just doesn't add up here.....

[SteveAJones]

Nice cover up website.

How about this one then:

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

[justanotherbum]

Wow so much evidence with over 90% of the links dead......

[kipper]

what kind of statement is that? how can you say that they are all just dumb. that is a cop-out.

there SHOULD have been loads of photos, and LOADS of CTV footage, but .........

please explain why there should have been "loads of footage"? do you base this on some objective science or just a feeling? my guess is that with most conspiracy folks they base it on some way they feel things should be and not how they really are. same as with the JFK assasination. not everything happens the way it does in movies in case nobody ever figured that out.

[slave to zep]

please explain why there should have been "loads of footage"? do you base this on some objective science or just a feeling? my guess is that with most conspiracy folks they base it on some way they feel things should be and not how they really are. same as with the JFK assasination. not everything happens the way it does in movies in case nobody ever figured that out.

um hello ...... CCTV is everywhere ..... do you think the Pentagon would not have security cameras everywhere?????

[anodizingstatic]

and why are so many family and friends, and RESCUERS of VICTIMS so angry, so upset that they cannot get answers to so many questions ...

many people who were there at the scenes, at the time, know that things don't add up.

all that you have stated, and more .....for eg, where are the black boxes?

where is the ctv from the pentagon?

Topics like this are particularly sensitive, usually I don't put my thoughts into them but I will regarding the 9/11 attacks being a lifetime New York-er, around 14 at the time it all happened. The idea is that controlled demolition was the cause of the twin towers collapsing, which is made out to seem really convincing to viewers on youtube, make logical conclusions, use persuasive rhetoric....the list goes on. But I choose not to believe it (it's rather absurd) for several reasons. The quickest way to disprove most of them is simply by searching google images and taking a fast look yourself.

This guy, Myles who I know via his blogs does an excellent series of videos (7 parts) disproving all of the conspiracies. Before you have infinite "truth" from a conspirator, I recommend you watch all seven of these, objectively and scientifically so. Definitely worth your time, well made for one guy. The end bit of the psychology of conspirators I found quite interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmIjDfpTeMc&list=PLcIKuuE3KJDHEHIGtNKx-nQervL8OGjaD

Again, these topics get VERY hostile. That's why I'm not going any farther with this. Sad, eh that's a part of life though. I only write all of this because it came up here, and since I'm from the area, wanted to put my thoughts out.

[IpMan]

The two conspiracies which intrigue me the most are the death of Pope John Paul I in 1978 and George Bush Sr brokering a deal with the Iranians in June of 1980 to keep the hostages until after the election.

The first, well, proof is sketchy for obvious reasons; the second though seems to have quite a bit of proof. Would not be the first time though since Nixon pulled the same thing with the North Vietnamese in August of 68'. You see, according to the theory, the North Vietnamese were going to sign a peace treaty in September of 68' thereby ending the war (the Viet-cong were decimated during the Tet Offensive and the NVA was a shambles). However, some of Nixon's "fixers" meet with a delegation of NVA in Paris in August of 68'. Not sure what they promised the North Vietnamese but they succeeded in scuttling the peace treaty thereby giving the election to Nixon. At least that is what the conspiracy theorist believe.

Thoughts???

[slave to zep]

[OzzyIsDio]

Hilarious.^^^^^^^^

[Pagefan55]

I'm not sure about 9/11--haven't studied it enough--but after reading a lot about the JFK assassination (and visiting Dealey Plaza) I've concluded that Oswald acted alone.

[slave to zep]

Hilarious.^^^^^^^^

glad you like Sean Lock is a funny guy.

[OzzyIsDio]

glad you like Sean Lock is a funny guy.

I cracked up when I first read it.

That's good for all the tin foil hat wearing people.

[slave to zep]

1980's card game predicts .... ?

http://conspiracy-watch.org/illuminati-card-game-predicted-911-chemtrails-fukushima/

[apantherfrommd]

Here is a conspiracy theory that may actually have some truth and relevance to it:

Was Aleister Crowley the real father of Barbara Bush? The mother of the former President George W. Bush (the son). If this is true than that would mean that George W. Bush's real grandfather was Aleister Crowley. Sound crazy, doesn't it? It may well be true.

Just Google Aleister Crowley and Barbara Bush and choose a couple of the websites and read (and decide for yourself).

Edited to add: Also look at few pictures of Crowley in his later years and look at a few pictures of Barbara Bush in her years as First Lady. I must admit that there is a very uncanny resemblance.

Ya know what, kingzoso? I do see some validity of this without needing to see the woman. The occult has been deemed of high value for a long time in American/British political history for a long time now. At first I thought you were joking, when you posted. I now apologize to you. I humor the possibility. After all the Bush clan has taken part in the occult from early on. From Skull & Bones to Bohemian Grove. Reagan was told he had to pick up H.W. Bush as a running mate, although he detested him. I think Nancy Reagan has and perhaps still does invoke the spirits through a medium.

And if you are right in your theory, it would mean the same blood coursing through veins of Crowley, would indeed course through the veins of the grandchildren as well. However, I think "W" Bush was about as smart and valid as a 3 dollar bill, I do see some validation in HW Bush as well as J.E. Bush who is running for president in 2016. It's some interesting stuff well worth the look-see. Let's check out the relationship between Crowley, Parsons, and L. Ron Hubbard. I believe a project was called "Babylon Working". Is it B.S.? I dunno. Never studied on it.

If you wish to get into the British side of the political picture.. let's take a closer look at Tony Blair, who worships a beam of light. Speaking of light, let's get it out into the light. These people's are proud of the homage they give to the entities they deem worthy. No secret there.

Crowley also did have some influence of workers of NASA (Never A Straight Answer) as well, if I'm not mistaken.

As for the occult side of Clintons,.. also a conspiracy theory of his biological father as well - a Rockefeller. As with the questions regarding Obama's background, he is related to Cheney as well as Bush. In comparison to the Clintons, pardon my expressions, but both Obama's mother and President W J. Clinton (or William J. Rockefeller's) mothers were both whores. Ever heard of Winthrop Rockefeller?

Edited for spelling and left out Obama's father Conspiracy as well as Hillary ebing groomed for first lady:

Let's check out Obama's mother's dad. CIA - All the way! And his father.. Is he really this Kenyan dude, who looks noting like him? Or could he be the son of this man that he called "Uncle Frank", with whom his mother wanted him to get to know in his youth? Frank Marshall Davis. He's also the one that loved taking pornographic pictures of Obama's mother.

Obama's mother - .. Photos taken by Frank Marshall Davis

Frank Marshall Davis - The man his mother wanted to watch him on weekends and get to know.

So who is Obama's real daddy? The man above^^?

Or this guy from Kenya who took a trip to Hawaii to be put on the birth certificate?

For Birthers only: Instead of asking yourself what country was Obama born in, why not just humor the notion of who his real daddy is?

Let's check out this dude - the one who watched him while he grew up - Frank Marshall Davis.

In the late 1940s, Davis moved to Honolulu, Hawaii, where he ran a small business. He also became involved in local labor issues, where his actions were tracked by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). In 1927 Davis moved to Chicago.

Davis used his newspaper platform to call for integration of the sports world, and he began to engage himself with community organizing efforts, starting a Chicago labor newspaper, The Star, toward the end of World War II. The paper had a goal to "promote a policy of cooperation and unity between Russia and the United States"[16] seeking to "[avoid] the red-baiting tendencies of the mainstream press."[17] In 1947, the Spokane Daily Chronicle called the paper "a red weekly", saying that it "has most of the markings of a Communist front publication."

As Obama remembered, "It made me smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith, living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created." Obama also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South Chicago as a community organizer and took some time one day to visit the areas where Frank had lived.

[apantherfrommd]

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[zepscoda]

The answer to 1984 is 1776

[Charles J. White]

I don't believe in

Conspiracy Theories

[Walter]

I don't believe in

Conspiracy Theories

Then why would you enter a post in a thread where people want to discuss them? Isn't there a new Autograph disc coming out that you could review for everyone?

[Charles J. White]

Then why would you enter a post in a thread where people want to discuss them? Isn't there a new Autograph disc coming out that you could review for everyone?

Very cool response, I had no idea this was a "we must all agree with each other thread". Carry on...

[Walter]

Very cool response, I had no idea this was a "we must all agree with each other thread". Carry on...

Very cool response? Seriously? You roll into a thread that's discussing what the OP asked about - Conspiracy Theories - add to it with the always brilliant, "I don't believe in them" instead of just staying out of it....if you have something to add, stay and add. If you're not, then go to one of the hundreds of other threads you've started but most of us have avoided to derail with pointless remarks like you've made - twice now.

[Walter]

The two conspiracies which intrigue me the most are the death of Pope John Paul I in 1978 and George Bush Sr brokering a deal with the Iranians in June of 1980 to keep the hostages until after the election.

The first, well, proof is sketchy for obvious reasons; the second though seems to have quite a bit of proof. Would not be the first time though since Nixon pulled the same thing with the North Vietnamese in August of 68'. You see, according to the theory, the North Vietnamese were going to sign a peace treaty in September of 68' thereby ending the war (the Viet-cong were decimated during the Tet Offensive and the NVA was a shambles). However, some of Nixon's "fixers" meet with a delegation of NVA in Paris in August of 68'. Not sure what they promised the North Vietnamese but they succeeded in scuttling the peace treaty thereby giving the election to Nixon. At least that is what the conspiracy theorist believe.

Thoughts???

I honestly don't put anything past the Nixon Admin. They are responsible for the Health Care system going from the patients health being the #1 priority to turning huge profits being the #1 priority.

The next push being brought forth is making profit on public education, make my words - it's gaining a foothold with corporations starting charter schools so they can dip into public funds - since the voucher system has never been allowed to take hold. Rick Scott is pushing that agenda down here, by changing laws and slanting the funding rules.