Why did Robert decide to send so many digs to Jimmy?

[TheStairwayRemainsTheSame]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XElRzziiKbw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZojBxRFxidY

I barely even heard Jimmy send any digs to Robert except once in an interview with Coverdale for a swedish show once. But Robert seemed to continuously send shots at Pagey, thoughts?

[bluecongo]

In both interviews, Robert alludes to substance abuse issues. After Zep, Robert wanted nothing to do with that anymore, rightly so. Jimmy was far from sober in the late 80's and it clearly strained their personal and professional relationship.

[pottedplant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XElRzziiKbw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZojBxRFxidY

I barely even heard Jimmy send any digs to Robert except once in an interview with Coverdale for a swedish show once. But Robert seemed to continuously send shots at Pagey, thoughts?

Thanks so, so much for posting these interviews Stairway. I had seen the bottom one before but not the top one. Robert talks about their relationship more honestly than he ever has.

Part of the reason, I think, is that Robert is more outspoken than Jimmy to begin with. And like Bluecongo said, the drug and alcohol abuse play into the strained relationship at that time.

However, we all know that there is much more to the story of those two. Like all love affairs, there are ups and downs, highs and lows. What I firmly believe is that Jimmy hurt Robert in the extreme several times and also that Robert was extremely disappointed in Jimmy because he continued with the drugs and alcohol long past the "sell by" date. I also believe that

Robert loves Jimmy, in his own way. For a long time I always thought Jimmy was the strong "leader." Not true. I have to say that Jimmy has not "knocked" Robert in public because

for all his faults, Jimmy Page is a gentleman. I love both of them, but I respect Jimmy more- because of his restraint.

[TheStairwayRemainsTheSame]

Regardless, Robert should not bring up those issues he is just showing a huge lack of respect for someone that made him.

[kenog]

I totally agree with you.

Regardless, Robert should not bring up those issues he is just showing a huge lack of respect for someone that made him.

[kenog]

Yes, PP. Jimmy certainly is a gentleman.

I have to say that Jimmy has not "knocked" Robert in public because for all his faults, Jimmy Page is a gentleman. I love both of them, but I respect Jimmy more- because of his restraint.

[magerogue]

Regardless, Robert should not bring up those issues he is just showing a huge lack of respect for someone that made him.

Jimmy didn't make him, Zeppelin wouldn't have worked with somebody different in it. Robert doesn't owe jimmy anything. Jimmy didn't pull him from the gutter.

[pottedplant]

Good Golly, I'm not taking Robert's side at all. I think he was wrong to say what he said, but I only stated that there are reasons ..... I also said that I respect Jimmy more because he is such a gentleman and I can't imagine him talking about Robert that way, or their working relationship either. This makes Jimmy look bad, in my opinion. There are enough bastards out there who have piled on Jimmy. His partner should not. If Jimmy had said these things about Robert, I would feel the same way.

[ZepRon]

Jimmy didn't make him, Zeppelin wouldn't have worked with somebody different in it. Robert doesn't owe jimmy anything. Jimmy didn't pull him from the gutter.

If it wasn't for Robert, Bonzo would have not been in the band. Feel free to correct me, but when Jimmy heard Bonzo he knew the direction the band was gonna take

had changed 180 degrees.

Also, I believe Jimmy did not attend Karac Plant's funeral. That would be an unbearable snub, at least to me.

It happens. Jim Morrison and John Densmore never were close outside The Doors.

[aen27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XElRzziiKbw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZojBxRFxidY

I barely even heard Jimmy send any digs to Robert except once in an interview with Coverdale for a swedish show once. But Robert seemed to continuously send shots at Pagey, thoughts?

Thanks for these Stairway. They are both new to me to and I do agree with what has been said so far. That is the most honost I have ever heard Robert talk about Jimmy. I didn't know until the interviews around Celebration Day that Robert only felt like the singer of band instrumentalists. Also he according to Trampled Underfoot, he felt abused by Jimmy and Peter Grant. That is true, that he should not be bad mouthing the main person who helped him the most. Jimmy 'discovered' him. Also Jimmy never has talked about Robert this way. I have heard about some possible friction at the Kennedy Honors between them and as above about Karac. That is right. Robert said horrible things about David Coverdale. David was a gentleman about it. He and Jimmy had become friend and released a great album. I think Robert was jealous. Jimmy says as much in the Rolling Stone interview as just as they were doing the concerts in Japan, Robert was ready to begin No Quarter. Their relationship as always been strange.

[pottedplant]

Thanks for these Stairway. They are both new to me to and I do agree with what has been said so far. That is the most honost I have ever heard Robert talk about Jimmy. I didn't know until the interviews around Celebration Day that Robert only felt like the singer of band instrumentalists. Also he according to Trampled Underfoot, he felt abused by Jimmy and Peter Grant. That is true, that he should not be bad mouthing the main person who helped him the most. Jimmy 'discovered' him. Also Jimmy never has talked about Robert this way. I have heard about some possible friction at the Kennedy Honors between them and as above about Karac. That is right. Robert said horrible things about David Coverdale. David was a gentleman about it. He and Jimmy had become friend and released a great album. I think Robert was jealous. Jimmy says as much in the Rolling Stone interview as just as they were doing the concerts in Japan, Robert was ready to begin No Quarter. Their relationship as always been strange.

Aen, you just brought something to mind. Was this interview during the Page/Coverdale time? Robert was so jealous of this. I don't know why he was. He was always so hateful and prickly toward Coverdale. I love Robert, but sometimes, I don't like him very much, ya know?

[aen27]

Aen, you just brought something to mind. Was this interview during the Page/Coverdale time? Robert was so jealous of this. I don't know why he was. He was always so hateful and prickly toward Coverdale. I love Robert, but sometimes, I don't like him very much, ya know?

Not entirely. Jimmy talks about in his Rolling Stone interview Robert was ready to call him - after Jimmy and David began their tour in Japan. David made some comments about Roberts jealousy toward him. Probobly from the above interview you mentioned in your question. Jimmy and David remained gentlemen throughout and Robert......I know what you mean.

[The Dark Lord]

There was so much going on with Robert in that era. Even though he tried hard to give the impression that he was comfortable in his skin, and doing what he wanted to do, he was frustrated and rebelling against his own past. I think that Robert grew tired of walking in Jimmy's artistic shadow, and once he was on his own, he desperately contrived to separate himself from that connection, but he did so in a manner similar to a person who bites off his nose to spite his face. It came at a cost. I also believe that there were things that Jimmy did that drove the nail further into the coffin for Robert, and those included: Jimmy's use of drugs; Jimmy's lack of compassion and humanity from living the life of an addict, and which resulted in him becoming very self-centered. I cannot imagine how hurt Robert was by Jimmy's handling of Karac's passing. Despite that, Jimmy has always been very much a gentleman in the media, and Robert has always been cheeky and outspoken, and he often blurred the lines between speaking and pontificating. A second of release, but at what cost? When I met them both in person, Jimmy was the most sincere and genuine of the two, by a very long shot. I could not believe how kind and respectful he was. Robert could have done himself a service, and not been so quick to speak of these matters, and to demean a relationship that was very special to the people who paid his wages (the fans). There are no winners when you do that; nobody really wants to hear it. The high road is the way to travel when you are a public figure.

[JP78]

that's an old interview.

[kenog]

The Dark Lord,

I don't mean to take the thread off topic, but I was wondering if you would possibly share how you came to meet both Robert and Jimmy.

When I met them both in person, Jimmy was the most sincere and genuine of the two, by a very long shot. I could not believe how kind and respectful he was.

[SteveAJones]

Robert Plant has said a lot of things about others (Page, JPJ, Coverdale, Ian Anderson, Sting, etc.) in a tongue in cheek manner. If you can't take a joke you probably over analyze much of what he says.

[pottedplant]

Robert Plant has said a lot of things about others (Page, JPJ, Coverdale, Ian Anderson, Sting, etc.) in a tongue in cheek manner. If you can't take a joke you probably over analyze much of what he says.

ITA, Steve. But do you think he was making a joke in this particular interview? It is an old interview and others that have come along since then have been quite different. The boys did have a very complex and strange relationship, but I do believe they had a genuine respect for each others talent.

[SteveAJones]

ITA, Steve. But do you think he was making a joke in this particular interview?

I think he was being as completely candid and honest about their relationship as he could be within the context of a press conference.

[pottedplant]

I think he was being as completely candid and honest about their relationship as he could be within the context of a press conference.

Understood.

[The Dark Lord]

The Dark Lord,

I don't mean to take the thread off topic, but I was wondering if you would possibly share how you came to meet both Robert and Jimmy.

It was in 1998 and it was a serendipitous meeting, but my job tends to create these types of opportunities. Anyway, I was introduced to both of them following their sound check in Vancouver. I spent about 3 minutes with both of them, and then Robert tried to drag Jimmy off back to the hotel (they came in separate cars). Jimmy stayed with me, and we hung out for about an hour and talked and drank bottled water. Then I accompanied him as he signed some autographs outside the arena. There was more to the story, but I also escorted he and his assistant back to the Bayshore Hotel, as the Molson Indy race was in town, and they had no idea how to make their way through the all the traffic mess in town. I had tickets to the show the next day, and was given a back stage pass, but I did not get to see either of them again. I also went to the post show press conference, but they did not show, as there was nothing that needed to be addressed. So we ate some food and left. It was a remarkable experience, and Jimmy is a prince of a man. Robert was typical Robert. I got both of their autographs and stil have the backstage pass in my collection. I have been a massive Zep fan since 1979. Nice to meet you kenog.

[kenog]

The Dark Lord,

Thanks so much for sharing this amazing experience with us . I always think it would be more pleasant to meet Jimmy than Robert. It is nice to meet you too TDL.

It was in 1998 and it was a serendipitous meeting, but my job tends to create these types of opportunities. Anyway, I was introduced to both of them following their sound check in Vancouver. I spent about 3 minutes with both of them, and then Robert tried to drag Jimmy off back to the hotel (they came in separate cars). Jimmy stayed with me, and we hung out for about an hour and talked and drank bottled water. Then I accompanied him as he signed some autographs outside the arena. There was more to the story, but I also escorted he and his assistant back to the Bayshore Hotel, as the Molson Indy race was in town, and they had no idea how to make their way through the all the traffic mess in town. I had tickets to the show the next day, and was given a back stage pass, but I did not get to see either of them again. I also went to the post show press conference, but they did not show, as there was nothing that needed to be addressed. So we ate some food and left. It was a remarkable experience, and Jimmy is a prince of a man. Robert was typical Robert. I got both of their autographs and stil have the backstage pass in my collection. I have been a massive Zep fan since 1979. Nice to meet you kenog.

[The Dark Lord]

The Dark Lord,

Thanks so much for sharing this amazing experience with us . I always think it would be more pleasant to meet Jimmy than Robert. It is nice to meet you too TDL.

Thanks kenog. Based on my experience, I agree with you. Jimmy is very down to earth and kind. He asked as many questions about me as I asked about him. Robert has never struck me as very genuine, and that impression remained after our meeting, although he was pleasant. The risk of meeting someone that you admire is that they could be very different from what you hope they will be, and that can lead to disappointment. Jimmy was everything that I hoped he would be, and much more. Truly a prince of a man, and a gentle soul. There was talk about him being loaded all the time on this tour, but he was sober as a judge when I met him.

[clw]

It was in 1998 and it was a serendipitous meeting, but my job tends to create these types of opportunities. Anyway, I was introduced to both of them following their sound check in Vancouver. I spent about 3 minutes with both of them, and then Robert tried to drag Jimmy off back to the hotel (they came in separate cars). Jimmy stayed with me, and we hung out for about an hour and talked and drank bottled water. Then I accompanied him as he signed some autographs outside the arena. There was more to the story, but I also escorted he and his assistant back to the Bayshore Hotel, as the Molson Indy race was in town, and they had no idea how to make their way through the all the traffic mess in town. I had tickets to the show the next day, and was given a back stage pass, but I did not get to see either of them again. I also went to the post show press conference, but they did not show, as there was nothing that needed to be addressed. So we ate some food and left. It was a remarkable experience, and Jimmy is a prince of a man. Robert was typical Robert. I got both of their autographs and stil have the backstage pass in my collection. I have been a massive Zep fan since 1979. Nice to meet you kenog.

what do you mean that Robert was typically Robert

[aen27]

It was in 1998 and it was a serendipitous meeting, but my job tends to create these types of opportunities. Anyway, I was introduced to both of them following their sound check in Vancouver. I spent about 3 minutes with both of them, and then Robert tried to drag Jimmy off back to the hotel (they came in separate cars). Jimmy stayed with me, and we hung out for about an hour and talked and drank bottled water. Then I accompanied him as he signed some autographs outside the arena. There was more to the story, but I also escorted he and his assistant back to the Bayshore Hotel, as the Molson Indy race was in town, and they had no idea how to make their way through the all the traffic mess in town. I had tickets to the show the next day, and was given a back stage pass, but I did not get to see either of them again. I also went to the post show press conference, but they did not show, as there was nothing that needed to be addressed. So we ate some food and left. It was a remarkable experience, and Jimmy is a prince of a man. Robert was typical Robert. I got both of their autographs and stil have the backstage pass in my collection. I have been a massive Zep fan since 1979. Nice to meet you kenog.

I wanted to also thank you so much for sharing this. I really enjoyed reading it.

[pottedplant]

Thanks so much, Dark Lord. I loved reading about your wonderful experience with the boys. Being a rabid fan of the band for most of my life, I think I would enjoy meeting Jimmy more than Robert. That was not the case for a long time, but it is now. Our tastes change over time, as we grow up.

It's great to meet you and I hope you stay here and post more.