What night is TSRTS exit into the limos from?

[joeboy]

July 27th or 28th or 29th 1973. Anyone?

[JTM]

As far as I'm aware none of the off stage shots were filmed at MSG... Can't recall where I heard it.

Edited October 19, 2013 by JTM

[Glyn]

I'm fairly certain it's the 29th

Edit: Most of the backstage footage (Plant talking, the pirate posters scene, and so on) are all not at the Garden. I think they might have been recorded at Pittsburgh.

Edited October 19, 2013 by Glyn

[Wolfman]

Pittsburgh.

[Glyn]

In Pittsburgh 1973 Page was wearing the white suit so it cant be that.

This is the scene in TSRTS (5:39). Clearly leaving the stage at MSG and getting into the limos.

[Walter]

Where they get into the limos is the Garden. There have been videos by other musicians exiting the Garden and that area is the same. I don't know which night though. Interesting question. SAJ?

[ledzepfilm]

Yeah, it's from the 29th.

My reasoning for this:

1) Can't be the 28th. JPJ is not wearing the same clothes.

2) Can't be the 27th. There is footage existing of them leaving the stage immediately after The Ocean (placed in Moby Dick) and they don't go down the stairs in the same order as the order they walk off stage.

Edited October 19, 2013 by ledzepfilm

[SteveAJones]

Yeah, it's from the 29th.

My reasoning for this:

1) Can't be the 28th. JPJ is not wearing the same clothes.

2) Can't be the 27th. There is footage existing of them leaving the stage immediately after The Ocean (placed in Moby Dick) and they don't go down the stairs in the same order as the order they walk off stage.

Agreed and I would add the presence of New York license plates on the limos definitely rules out having been filmed elsewhere.

[SteveAJones]

Pittsburgh.

The limo arrival footage was filmed in Pitttsburgh.

[ledzepfilm]

Here's an interesting question - the Pittsburgh 8mm. It shows the band taking those signature photos before going into the limos, but no evidence of this is shown in the film. Is the scene of them getting off the plane and going directly into the limos staged for TSRTS?

Edited October 20, 2013 by ledzepfilm

[SteveAJones]

Here's an interesting question - the Pittsburgh 8mm. It shows the band taking those signature photos before going into the limos, but no evidence of this is shown in the film. Is the scene of them getting off the plane and going directly into the limos staged for TSRTS?

The airplane exit straight into the limos is staged. Clearly, the amount of daylight in the 8mm footage proves they had already arrived a short while earlier. Dusk is setting in as the limos leave the airport and by the time the motorcade enters and exits the inbound Liberty Tunnel outside of Pittsburgh it's dark and all of the cars in both directions have their headlights on.

Here's the Pittsburgh 8mm footage...note Attorney Steven Weiss (wearing a Showco t-shirt) arrives on scene at the 1:14 mark:

In the film (below), Steven Weiss is wearing a different shirt at the 41:28 mark....this is because the argument was filmed in Baltimore, not New York or Pittsburgh:

The Liberty Tunnel near Pittsburgh:

Edited October 21, 2013 by SteveAJones

[joeboy]

JPJ had the white with red polka dot shirt with red lapels just before getting into the limo. He had this shirt on for "Whole Lotta love/ Dazed and Confused" from the first night. Therefore this exit may be from the 27th.

[ledzepfilm]

No, it's the 29th. He wore the same outfit after Thank You. As I said, the band leaves the stage in a different member order on the 27th than the footage of them leaving the stage from the 29th.

[joeboy]

ledzepfilm how do you know that the band leaving the stage during "Moby Dick" was really the band leaving after "The Ocean" the first night July 27th? JPJ shirt white and red the same.

[ledzepfilm]

Because Robert leaves the stage at the same time as the others. Bonzo is visible as well. Before Moby Dick, Robert leaves after his spoken introduction. My friend, I have a lot of experience with this footage. Jonesy also wears his plain white shirt before the drum solo on the 27th.

Edited October 22, 2013 by ledzepfilm

[joeboy]

Boy it's complicated. I wonder who the girl in the white pants is standing down the ramp? Why did they allow her there?

[LebZeppelin]

The airplane exit straight into the limos is staged. Clearly, the amount of daylight in the 8mm footage proves they had already arrived a short while earlier. Dusk is setting in as the limos leave the airport and by the time the motorcade enters and exits the inbound Liberty Tunnel outside of Pittsburgh it's dark and all of the cars in both directions have their headlights on.

Here's the Pittsburgh 8mm footage...note Attorney Steven Weiss (wearing a Showco t-shirt) arrives on scene at the 1:14 mark:

In the film (below), Steven Weiss is wearing a different shirt at the 41:28 mark....this is because the argument was filmed in Baltimore, not New York or Pittsburgh:

Everytime I watch that argument scene, i still get scared, loll i would have been sh*tting myself,

[LebZeppelin]

Boy it's complicated. I wonder who the girl in the white pants is standing down the ramp? Why did they allow her there?

I have always wondered if Grant tracked down the security guards who let the 3 kids in for free (I am not sure where this was filmed at) lolll

[SteveAJones]

I have always wondered if Grant tracked down the security guards who let the 3 kids in for free (I am not sure where this was filmed at) lolll

Madison Square Garden (it's a NYPD officer at the door and the fans speak with New York accents).

[ledzepfilm]

That was staged, right?

[nepa.zep-head]

Looks to me like its a blend of all three nights. Notice the guy (might be an assistant of some sort) who is giving Robert what looks like a cigarette. In a matter of 30 seconds, he appears with 3 different shirts. All button ups, but three different patterns... I'm sure some of the experts will know who he is/was, but it looks to me like 3 different nights.

He's also standing next to the "older "dude (with glasses and greying hair) that Peter Grant chews out in the dressing room asking about "kickbacks"...

Edited December 20, 2013 by nepa.zep-head

[joeboy]

You are right nepa.zep-head. I looked it over again and never noticed the shirt of the guy giving Robert something changes 3 times. When they come off stage it's the 29th after "The Ocean". The middle part is the 28th. Getting into the limos is the 27th because JPJ's shirt is the same as at the end of "Whole Lotta love" as in the movie.

[ledzepfilm]

I checked the scene again and at least the band leaving the stage and getting into the limos are the 29th. Grant wears the same exact shirt, which does change nightly based on study. However, the second part could be different but the whole getting off stage sequence is not seamless. Definitely edited together.

Edited December 21, 2013 by ledzepfilm

[joeboy]

I checked again and noted Richard Cole's shirt. Coming off the stage it's brown which is the 29th. We then switch to the 28th with Robert's friend helping him out in a triangle polka dot shirt. Entering the limo's Richard is seen on the far left in a blue shirt with red design in the center and JPJ is in the same shirt as at the end of WLL in the movie which is the 27th. Robert's friend talking to Peter Grant in the limo is the 28th. Everyone going back inside is the 27th with Robert's friend in the same shirt as seen everyone getting into the limos.

[ledzepfilm]

The sequence's the 29th. Here's why.

Watch the backstage footage on the Led Zeppelin DVD and you'll find that Grant is wearing the same purple shirt/orange scarf that he wears when the band leaves the stage, and the last clip of the band getting into the limos. If you watch the theremin sequence from the 27th, you'll notice that Grant, even though he is quite blurry, is wearing a lighter shirt than his purple one but still wears an orange scarf. It's pretty obvious that the band's entourage didn't listen to the "wear the same clothes every night" rule. Plus, as I told you before, Jones wears the same shirt at the end of the 29th as he does on the 27th. Trust me, three years of studying this footage in depth brings a lot of knowledge to the subject at hand.

Although, I do see a possibility that the middle sequence (Jimmy looking back at Robert, and laughs) could be different, but it's too much of a coincidence that they left the stage in the same order.