The Real Nelson Mandela

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@Drop Down: South Africa has been sympathetic to Communists concerns for many years.

A screen shot from this morning's Daily Mail...get a load of the T shirt the guy is wearing. Says it all really.

[JP78]

A screen shot from this morning's Daily Mail...get a load of the T shirt the guy is wearing. Says it all really.

you can easily find that t shirt worn by americans in the US any day. especially where there are large number of young people.

[kipper]

Yes and the Founding Fathers owned slaves while fighting for "freedom." Loyalists were tarred and feathered. Nelson Mandela was not always a peaceful man, but then I don't think most of us would be either if we were treated as horribly as his people were (are).

To me Mandela is no different than George Washington, fighting for freedom from oppression.

RIP

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you can easily find that t shirt worn by americans in the US any day. especially where there are large number of young people.

¡Hasta la ignorancia siempre!

[ledded1]

A screen shot from this morning's Daily Mail...get a load of the T shirt the guy is wearing. Says it all really.

One guy wearing a che guevara tee shirt in the crowd says one guy wearing a che guevara tee shirt in the crowd. Sorry drop down it doesnt say it all.

[Reggie29]

To me Mandela is no different than George Washington, fighting for freedom from oppression.

RIP

Well said!

[JP78]

che was such a handsome guy. and while the pic of him used in the t shirt is usually more serious , he looked much better when he smiles.

[SteveAJones]

A screen shot from this morning's Daily Mail...get a load of the T shirt the guy is wearing. Says it all really.

...Communist product placement...

[SteveAJones]

To me Mandela is no different than George Washington, fighting for freedom from oppression.

How many innocent civilians did George Washington kill in his struggle?

[DropDown]

che was such a handsome guy. and while the pic of him used in the t shirt is usually more serious , he looked much better when he smiles.

The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese.

The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations.

- Ernesto "Che" Guevara.

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One guy wearing a che guevara tee shirt in the crowd says one guy wearing a che guevara tee shirt in the crowd. Sorry drop down it doesnt say it all.

No, it speaks volumes as to how misinformed people really are.

[JP78]

The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese.

The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations.

- Ernesto "Che" Guevara.

this was when blacks did not have equal rights in the US.

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this was when blacks did not have equal rights in the US.

Granted that in the time frame in which he said this segregation was sadly a reality in the US it still doesn't justify what he said.

[ledded1]

No, it speaks volumes as to how misinformed people really are.

So you judge everyone based on this one guy in a crowd. All those world leaders attending are communist supporters or sympathisers then? Mccarthy will be turning in his grave.

[DropDown]

So you judge everyone based on this one guy in a crowd. All those world leaders attending are communist supporters or sympathisers then? Mccarthy will be turning in his grave.

One world leader, the Dalai Lama, won't be in attendance. He was denied a visa because South Africa, which has robust economic ties with China, thought better to safeguard their economy than let someone who has preached peace and non violence pay his respects to someone who, controversial as he might have been, changed the history of that country.

The world leaders in attendance may or may not be communist sympathizers, but it is clear where the proclivities of the South African government lie. No one should be denied a visa for paying respect to the dead, especially when this comes from one Nobel peace prize winner toward a fellow recipient. Yet they caved to pressure from China. Shame on them. This was really a chance to send a message of peace to China but they thought otherwise.

[SteveAJones]

...the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations.

- Ernesto "Che" Guevara.

The white Europeans HAD a tradition of work and saving. Off the top of my head I'm not sure if Guevara ever went there (I don't think he did) but having lived there nearly XX years, I say unequivocally the liberals/socialist progressives turned the whole EU into a welfare state.

In fact, you'd have to travel to America to encounter a larger number of able-bodied people living on the dole.

[SteveAJones]

The world leaders in attendance may or may not be communist sympathizers, but it is clear where the proclivities of the South African government lie. No one should be denied a visa for paying respect to the dead, especially when this comes from one Nobel peace prize winner toward a fellow recipient. Yet they caved to pressure from China. Shame on them. This was really a chance to send a message of peace to China but they thought otherwise.

President Obama appropriated Stanton's remarks on Lincoln's passing for Mandela's, and at the memorial will undoubtedly exaggerate Mandela's influence upon his own life. If he's honest, as a by the way, perhaps he'll appropriate this Dalai Lama quote to sum up himself:

I am not only a socialist but also a bit leftist, a communist. In terms of social economy theory, I am a Marxist. I think I am farther to the left than the Chinese leaders. [bursts out laughing.] They are capitalists. [Laughs again.] -- 14th Dalai Lama

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President Obama appropriated Stanton's remarks on Lincoln's passing for Mandela's, and at the memorial will undoubtedly exaggerate Mandela's influence upon his own life. If he's honest, as a by the way, perhaps he'll appropriate this Dalai Lama quote to sum up himself:

I am not only a socialist but also a bit leftist, a communist. In terms of social economy theory, I am a Marxist. I think I am farther to the left than the Chinese leaders. [bursts out laughing.] They are capitalists. [Laughs again.] -- 14th Dalai Lama

That is, of course, if a Teleprompter will be available.

[ledded1]

One world leader, the Dalai Lama, won't be in attendance. He was denied a visa because South Africa, which has robust economic ties with China, thought better to safeguard their economy than let someone who has preached peace and non violence pay his respects to someone who, controversial as he might have been, changed the history of that country.

The world leaders in attendance may or may not be communist sympathizers, but it is clear where the proclivities of the South African government lie. No one should be denied a visa for paying respect to the dead, especially when this comes from one Nobel peace prize winner toward a fellow recipient. Yet they caved to pressure from China. Shame on them. This was really a chance to send a message of peace to China but they thought otherwise.

I agree thast SA should have granted him a visa to pay his respects. Jacob Zuma should have intervened or should have stood up to China.

[ledded1]

The white Europeans HAD a tradition of work and saving. Off the top of my head I'm not sure if Guevara ever went there (I don't think he did) but having lived there nearly XX years, I say unequivocally the liberals/socialist progressives turned the whole EU into a welfare state.

In fact, you'd have to travel to America to encounter a larger number of able-bodied people living on the dole.

What rubbish.

[SteveAJones]

That is, of course, if a Teleprompter will be available.

I know it's unrealistic to consider, but I have a dream Obama will elect to stay there and spare us the next three years of his Presidency.

[apantherfrommd]

That is, of course, if a Teleprompter will be available.

Zactly.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party.

http://youtu.be/ffv4TcpfyAs

At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandelas MK terrorists. Here are some highlights

-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983

-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985

-Krugersdorp Magistrates Court, 17 March 1988

-Durban Pick n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986

-Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead

-Johannesburg Magistrates Court, 20 May 1987

-Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988

Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating [the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of Prisoner of Conscience to anyone associated with violence, even though as in conventional warfare a degree of restraint may be exercised.

Those were innocents killed. Black and White alike.

Does the media speak of this? No.

Does it mean that none of this is true, since it isn't being presented in the media? No

Does it mean the media has manipulated people into thinking this man is Ghandi or a George Washington? Yuppers

Cult of personality. The Mandelas were low-grade terrorists. Nothing like Hitler. Just low-grade.

Mainstream media works on us little by little. Chipping away at us until we have been programmed into believing what they want us to believe about someone. Sadly the flag of my country is being forced to bow to this man.

[cryingbluerain]

Zactly.

Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party.

http://youtu.be/ffv4TcpfyAs

At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandelas MK terrorists. Here are some highlights

-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983

-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985

-Krugersdorp Magistrates Court, 17 March 1988

-Durban Pick n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986

-Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead

-Johannesburg Magistrates Court, 20 May 1987

-Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988

Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating [the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of Prisoner of Conscience to anyone associated with violence, even though as in conventional warfare a degree of restraint may be exercised.

Those were innocents killed. Black and White alike.

Does the media speak of this? No.

Does it mean that none of this is true, since it isn't being presented in the media? No

Does it mean the media has manipulated people into thinking this man is Ghandi or a George Washington? Yuppers

Cult of personality. The Mandelas were low-grade terrorists. Nothing like Hitler. Just low-grade.

Mainstream media works on us little by little. Chipping away at us until we have been programmed into believing what they want us to believe about someone. Sadly the flag of my country is being forced to bow to this man.

This. Well said.

Rest In Whitewash: Networks Set to Ignore Mandela's Communist Party Ties, Dictator Friends

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2013/12/07/rest-whitewash-networks-set-ignore-mandelas-communist-party-ties-dictato

Our president didn't see fit to go to Margaret Thatcher's funeral but he has no problem going to The Murderer Mandela funeral. Sick.

[SteveAJones]

Our president didn't see fit to go to Margaret Thatcher's funeral but he has no problem going to The Murderer Mandela funeral. Sick.

Thatcher was too closely associated with President Reagan for him to even consider it, and besides he and his wife had already insulted the Queen (he gave her a tacky gift, his wife put her hand on her and later that evening he proceeded to make his toast during her anthem).

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Thatcher was too closely associated with President Reagan for him to even consider it, and besides he and his wife had already insulted the Queen (he gave her a tacky gift, his wife put her hand on her and later that evening he proceeded to make his toast during her anthem).

Not to mention that he sent back Churchill's bust:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9436526/White-House-admits-it-did-return-Winston-Churchill-bust-to-Britain.html