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^^ Great to see/hear different perspectives of the same interview, actually. The top one's audio is far clearer and you could see Jimmy's face and expressions which is always nice in a video interview, right, but unfortunately they cut out the questions (hello, a key part of an interview...) and about the other half of the exchange itself! The bottom was sort of hard to make out at times, but it was far more complete in terms of both sides of the conversation and insight - what was that quip about Zep karaoke at festivals? Hmm interesting...

I hope Jimmy gets to the place and space within and without to manifest that solo album. Looking forward to hearing some new material.

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By Stephen SPAZ Schnee
     Like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who and The Kinks just a few years before them, Led Zeppelin helped change the course of Rock ‘n’ Roll when they released their self-titled debut album in 1969. Much has been said about the band since then – both true and false – but their recorded musical legacy tells you all you really need to know about the band’s four members (guitarist Jimmy Page, vocalist Robert Plant, bassist John Paul Jones and drummer John Bonham). Their passion and dedication to creating their own distinct sound is what really matters in the end – they let the music do the talking. That is why Led Zeppelin remains as relevant today – 35 years after they disbanded – as they were in their ‘70s heyday.
     With that being said, being a “former member” of Led Zeppelin means having every solo project unfairly compared to the band’s legacy. Though he’ll always be classified as a “Guitar God”, Jimmy Page continues to prove he is more than just an influential guitarist. As a sculptor of sound, his imaginative arrangements and production pushed the band into new directions with each album. By the end of Zeppelin’s decade-long recording career, Page had become a master at creating new and exciting atmospheres within the context of the band’s sound. When Zeppelin split, it wasn’t surprising that the first commercial release by Page was the soundtrack to director Michael Winner’s Death Wish II. On this release, Page stretched himself beyond the confines of Hard Rock music while never straying too far from what made him one of the most famous musicians in the world. His ever-evolving musical vision helped to enhance the visuals on screen without becoming too distracting. Not a conventional soundtrack by any means, Death Wish II was more akin to the urban soundtracks of the ‘70s, created by the likes of Curtis Mayfield, Isaac Hayes and James Brown. This was music for a film that could also be enjoyed without seeing a single frame of celluloid. There are moments of sheer beauty mixed with funky, adrenalin-fueled freak-outs. You can almost feel Charles Bronson breathing down your neck before he busts your chops!
     Though it was his first post-Zeppelin release, Death Wish II was not Jimmy Page’s first foray into soundtrack work. A decade earlier, director Kenneth Anger had approached Jimmy about providing music for his film Lucifer Rising. Jimmy provided Anger with an avant-garde recording he had already created in his home studio. This experimental piece, now known as “Lucifer Rising”, is one of the most frightening recordings by someone of Page’s stature. In his role as guitarist, Jimmy had given us the angelic “Stairway To Heaven”; with “Lucifer Rising”, he offered us a toboggan ride to hell. And, truth be told, it is quite amazing and riveting. Sadly, the piece was never used and sat in the vaults for nearly 40 years before it was issued in 2012 as a limited edition release.
     When going through the vaults and remastering the Led Zeppelin catalog, Jimmy dug a little deeper and pulled out the tapes to both Death Wish II and Lucifer Rising. He then expanded each release, adding a bonus disc of previously unreleased recordings, and has now compiled all the music together in one package entitled SOUND TRACKS. This extravagant four disc box set comes on either CD or vinyl and contains a booklet filled with amazing art, info and pictures. To listen to all of this music gathered together not only confirms Page’s genius, it also shows that Page was more than just 1/4th of one of the greatest Rock bands of all-time – he was, and is, an artist of great depth and virtuosity. The simple black packaging of the SOUND TRACKS CD and vinyl box sets is a sharp contrast to the rainbow of musical ideas contained within.
     Stephen SPAZ Schnee was able to chat with Jimmy Page about SOUND TRACKS and the paths he took to create the unforgettable music collected in this essential box set…
STEPHEN SPAZ SCHNEE: The Sound Tracks box set is now available. How are you feeling about the journey you took to put it all together?
JIMMY PAGE: It was something that was really essential that I did. It was of the utmost importance to actually put this material together for the simple reason that along the way, I have been involved with two soundtracks in my career. I realized that there were not only things that people had heard before like the Death Wish II soundtrack. The important thing was to support the journey of doing both Lucifer Rising and the extra material that I’d done for that at the time. And also the journey to Death Wish II. I’d gone to some quite interesting areas – things that had involved guitar, bass and drums right through to some electronic avant-garde. There were really some serious soundscapes and the fact that I had a very early mix of “Lucifer Rising”, all of these things were really important to me along the way. “Minor Sketch” was a home recording with lots of guitar overdubs on it which I decided to put into this whole package. It just completed the whole picture of my approach to the guitar, my approach to recording in a legit studio or doing experiments in my home studio. It all had a serious relevance and perspective to what I was doing in the more open area of Led Zeppelin. It was a world that had not really been tapped. “Minor Sketch” shows what somebody can get up to when they’ve got time on their hands. (Laughs)
SPAZ: Before these soundtracks were recorded, had you ever been approached to do any soundtrack work before? Your production and arranging with Zeppelin certainly pointed in a cinematic direction, sonically.
JIMMY: I’d been approached by Kenneth Anger in the days of Led Zeppelin. He said, “I’ve got this film. Have you got anything for it?” I said, “Yeah, come and have a listen to this.” And, in essence, that is what “Lucifer Rising” is. There was quite a considerable amount of time between that and being approached by Michael Winner for Death Wish II, where it was actually about doing the scoring for the film. I must say that a very important part of all this is that when I was in Led Zeppelin, I didn’t want to spread myself too thin across the musical horizon. I wanted to be very insular and self-contained within the whole ethos of Led Zeppelin. That’s why I wasn’t putting out solo albums at that time or attempting to do anything on the side. The Kenneth Anger thing is something that appealed to me at the time. I thought that it could be interesting and wanted to see if it worked. To actually do something like the Michael Winner thing – which in essence was forty five minutes of music in a ninety minute film. That’s a lot of music. Some things may only only last five seconds long, all the way to something called “The Chase”, which is the longest piece of music in the film. There were all these bits and pieces and I put them together as an album. However, there were all these extra pieces of music that I really wanted people to hear outside of the context of what might have been used in the film. It was a good thing just to show all the different directions – the journey – I took for the project. Some of the soundscapes were done around that time as well. I thought I might use them in the film but it was far too radical at the time to use that sort of thing. It still sounds good and still sounds like the sort of stuff you could use in something now, really.

SPAZ: Did you find the soundtrack work for both projects equally challenging as a composer? Was it difficult to capture an atmosphere that you felt worked along with the visuals?
JIMMY: They were two totally different scenarios. With Kenneth Anger, I had the music already. I had been doing experimental stuff in my home studio using the keyboards and using the guitar as a backbone to it, but not using the guitar in the overall mix. So, when he came, he set up his projector and we put on the music, and it just seemed to fit perfectly with the mood of his film. With the Michael Winner film, I was given the rushes of the film where he would like the music. So you’d get a strike where the music was supposed to start and a strike where the music finishes. I was writing music to actually fit with the rhythm of the piece. I had to approach it one way or another but that is what I was thinking. I was just trying to get a musical pulse for it. That’s how I approached it. It’s a pretty complex thing to do, especially in those days. In those days, composers would use something called the Black Book. The Black Book had everything to do with time codes in it – it was a huge logarithmic manual. And I was thinking, “I’m not doing that!” I wanted to do it with video, and then have to sync it with that, and then they could put it onto celluloid. He wasn’t sure that it would work, but it did. It was cutting edge in the way I approached it. There were many things I had to think about on that soundtrack. It was an interesting way to approach it. But you can see now that they were both very different. I haven’t been approached to do anything else, to be honest with you. And if I did, I don’t remember – because I wouldn’t have done it anyway.
SPAZ: Death Wish II seems less like a traditional soundtrack and more like a spiritual cousin of the urban soundtracks of the ‘70s like Curtis Mayfield’s Superfly and James Brown’s The Payback – they stand up on their own outside of the context of the film. Was this how you approached this project?
JIMMY: At the time I did the film music, I was just thinking about doing music that would fit the film. I had more than was actually needed – you can tell that from the music on the second disc (Expansion). For example, there was one song that was submitted that I don’t even know if it was used in the film. It was supposed to be in the background on a Country station.
SPAZ: “Country Sandwich”?
JIMMY: Yeah! I don’t even know if it got used. I thought it was fun. Since it’s called “Country Sandwich”, I had some fun with it more recently. I don’t think its this way in the film, but you have these strings on each side of it. You have this suspense and then this filling in the middle – this Country & Western – and then you go out on the other side with more strings. It’s like a sandwich. That actually appealed to my humor – I don’t know if it will appeal to anyone else’s. (Laughs)
SPAZ: “Carol’s Theme” is really quite beautiful. Did you do the string arrangement for that and the other pieces on the soundtrack?
JIMMY: Yes, I did the arrangements. There were some parts that I had help with.
SPAZ: Going back to “Lucifer Rising”, this piece really is a precursor to the huge avant-garde movement that has grown over the years. There may have been similar works before, but not many artists of your stature were recording things like this at the time. And it is an extremely chilling piece of music. Did the piece come to you organically?
JIMMY: It’s a tanpura drone. [Editor’s note: a “tanpura” is a long-necked string instrument used in Indian music. A “drone” is a note or chord played continuously throughout a piece]. I made a loop and also put fading on the drone. Then I added the tabla drums and processed them so they’re not going to sound like drums you’ve ever heard before. And there’s a Mellotron on it. I wanted nothing to really sound exactly how it would sound in its raw state…so everything has a process that went on it.

SPAZ: When were the “Sonic Textures” tracks recorded?

JIMMY: They were recorded around the time of Death Wish II. That’s the stuff I did when I first went into the studio. I thought that I’d try some things and I’d start making some stuff that had an intensity about them that would be undeniable. I’d seen the film once and I just set about working on some material that may well fit, but then I realized it would be too much for the time. Michael Winner’s films were very much for a mass audience – they weren’t art house films. He was keen that I use an orchestra on it and I was keen to use an orchestra on it. I was keen to try all manner of things. Somehow along the way, those “Sonic Textures” didn’t make the film. They didn’t make anything until I was going through my archives listening to material. I was doing the Led Zeppelin stuff which was relative to all of the recent releases, and I was also archiving my own material. Things like the “Sonic Textures” came up and after awhile, I thought I should really do something with it. I could have put it back on the shelf but maybe people would find it interesting to see just how far I was pushing my musical horizons outside – or inside – of Led Zeppelin. All of it gave me the impetus to be able to create the companion (Expansion) discs to the original albums and make them available. I felt I could present this stuff to the fans that they wouldn’t have expected and they would find interesting.

Discussions Magazine / Nov. 16, 2015

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^^I hadn't fully realized "Sonic Textures" was recorded around the time of Death Wish 2, I could tell it sounded more recent when I first heard it, more recent than anything made when he was originally making the L.R. soundtrack.


I enjoyed reading what he said about the song "Country Sandwich", i get a kick out of that song the way it starts with psycho music then goes into country with the line  'You've broken My Heart,", and ending with psycho music again. So I enjoyed reading what he said about the song and how it appealed to his humor.


I'm sure I have a record in listening time for the "Soundtracks" box set so thanks so much for posting the interview sam_webmaster, totally enjoyed it!

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Bonham, Grohl & Led Zeppelin’s legacy: An epic Jimmy Page interview

Paul Elliott / 16 Dec 2015


The guitar legend opens up about absent friends, superstar fans, bad reviews and the next best thing to playing with Zeppelin

In a West London hotel, Jimmy Page is looking back on his 50-year-career. The founder and creative genius of Led Zeppelin is here to speak to Classic Rock about his life and work – from the first recordings he made as a naïve teenager to the legacy that rock’s greatest band leaves behind. He recalls the magic of when Zeppelin first played together, the battles with bootleggers and the press, the brilliance of the late John Bonham, the joke song that backfired on him. And he explains why playing with The Black Crowes was closest he’s come to replacing the feeling of Led Zeppelin.

When you think back to 1968, when you first put Led Zeppelin together, how soon did you realize that you had something unique?

It happened in the first rehearsal, which was in London, in Gerrard Street. I said we should play Train Kept A-Rollin’, but I think I was the only one who knew it. I don’t really know what else we did. But as soon as we played together, everyone knew instinctively that we’d never played anything like that before, or heard anything like that before. And it was just so right.

Had you already written songs for the band before that first rehearsal?

There was material I already had in mind, like Babe I’m Gonna Leave You and some other things. And by the time I got everyone in my house and we were doing steady rehearsals, we were working on Communication Breakdown and You Shook Me. Laying down that material, it was phenomenal. We knew just how good it was.

What did you have in Led Zeppelin that was different to other rock groups of that era?

In those days, you’d find really great groups built around one instrumentalist. In Led Zeppelin you had four master musicians. I know Cream had three, but to get four guys together, all at this high level, that was something else. To be honest with you, I knew the group was dynamite. From the rehearsals we did at my house, I knew what we had. And after we did the first tour in Scandinavia, I knew it would translate in a live capacity.

The first Zeppelin album was released in January 1969. What do you remember about the making of that record?

It was great how the first album was done – by playing it live in Scandinavia, to really oil it up before going into the studio. That way you were able really work it out before you’d recorded it. If you’ve got the benefit to do that, it’s a really healthy way to go into the studio, especially with guys who haven’t been in a studio too much beforehand. Also you had to record very thoroughly, and it was pretty ruthless – you couldn’t go in there wasting time, certainly with a new band.

What were you aiming for with that album?

You wanted to get in there and make the thing explode. You put all the chemicals together and it explodes out of the speakers. The word is chemistry, or alchemy. And that album was a complete picture, you know? So may ideas and combinations that people had never heard before. John Bonham had so much power and so much character in his playing, and there was some great keyboard playing from John Paul Jones. To get that album the way that it was, that was very cool.

From the very start, the band created a huge buzz in America.

We just went in and just destroyed San Francisco, and that was it. The first album wasn’t even out. And it just spreads like wildfire – that this band was just incredible, and then they hear the album…

By the early 70s, Led Zeppelin were the biggest band in the world, outselling the Stones. How did you deal with that level of fame?

If you’re talking about the time of the private jets and all that sort of stuff – do you mean that sort of lifestyle? Because other people were doing that, basing themselves out of cities and using a plane. It made sense.

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Now if someone can bootleg the rest of that article....


Yeah... I'm all for Read This, Eddie.

I was thinking about the mighty Zep the other day, mainly about the troubled last days, and something hit me I'd never thought of before; how both the very first and very last time they were together as a band was at a rehearsal, and the very first and last tours together were European tours that began with 'Train Kept A-Rollin''.

Funny how life is so symmetrical at times, you couldn't have written it better if it were a fictional story...

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Yeah... I'm all for Read This, Eddie.

I was thinking about the mighty Zep the other day, mainly about the troubled last days, and something hit me I'd never thought of before; how both the very first and very last time they were together as a band was at a rehearsal, and the very first and last tours together were European tours that began with 'Train Kept A-Rollin''.

Funny how life is so symmetrical at times, you couldn't have written it better if it were a fictional story...

Plus the Yardbird's and Led Zeppelin's last show were both on July 7th.

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