Jukkin Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I was pleased that 'The Epic' was somewhat less 'jaunty' than the version on ITTOD. I wanted to love the original but JPJ's keyboards sounded like stuff you'd play at a wedding. Page's part was haunting and completely unrelated to JPJ's. Shame that Jimmy was too messed up to really contribute to the sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepfan2001 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 On 08/30/2015 at 9:12 AM, achillestand said: many fans would have prefered already heard stuff in good or slighly sub-standard quality rather than these alternate takes in pristine quality I think JP has kept true to what he and the other members of LZ value in what they all want to be known for... quality over quantity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepfan2001 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 On 08/30/2015 at 5:08 PM, tmtomh said: I love the companion material, but I too can see how some folks wouldn't find it very interesting. I would note that Page and Plant actually are in agreement on the factual level: they seem to agree these are bits and pieces of what they were doing at the time. The difference is that Page views this as "a portal" into the process of Led Zeppelin, while Plant views it as "not particularly relevant." That's just a reflection of each man's level of interest in revisiting Zep at this time. The reason I think the companion material is great is this: For $1 to $3 extra per album. you get a companion CD. So at the end of the day, for a grand total of about $20, you get at least 3 full CDs' worth of great stuff - including never before released alt. takes of Since I've Been Loving You, Sick Again, Bring It on Home and The Wanton Song; St. Tristan's Sword; the Bombay tracks; an instrumental The Song Remains the Same with never before heard guitar parts; a completely unexpected additional track from the Zep I sessions and one from the Presence sessions; and a never before released blues track from the Zep III sessions. And you get a 4th CD with a live 1969 show on it. If Zep had released such a set - a 4-CD set with those outtakes, plus the Paris concert - for $20, every Zep fan would be throwing $20 bills at their computer screens to buy it, and would be saying, "This is the most amazing thing ever!" There's plenty of great bonus tracks on there, so what if there's a buncha filler alts, that's why it's called extra... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepfan2001 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 On 08/30/2015 at 6:25 PM, juxtiphi said: I wonder why everyone is so interested in The Swan Song outtakes, in my 35 years listening to Zeppelin I feel it's the least interesting outtake I agree. That's probably exactly why LZ didn't work more on it. Had they not dissolved the band they might've eventually turned it into something great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boleskinner Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zepfan2001 said: I agree. That's probably exactly why LZ didn't work more on it. Had they not dissolved the band they might've eventually turned it into something great. Bonzo’s drumming is just one of the highlights of this work in progress. I think Swang Song is infinetly more interesting than alt mixes that have slightly more cowbell and are virtually identical to the original. When are we getting the third alt mix of rock ‘n’ roll. I mean, come on, we’ve dug a hole in the bottom of the barrel and are now dunking for turds. Edited May 13, 2018 by Boleskinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmtomh Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 I'm really liking the alt version of Friends from the Record Store Day single. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepfan2001 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 On 08/31/2015 at 11:19 PM, Mithril46 said: Page really compromised the Zeppelin "brand" with the companions. No one thought of this, but perhaps he is/was too old to take this project on properly. I say this because there seem to be so many lazy choices. No Zep studio archivist is going to convince me that much of the material was taped over, discarded, lost, blah, blah,blah. Certainly Page was not around much for ITTOD, but I find it unbelievable that he did not save, store or put in a vault the alt versions, diff overdub versions, alt lyric versions, etc.,. Zep may have operated a bit different than other bands but again as OTHERS have even mentioned usually the variety and scope of the "post career" releases is far more considered and interesting than what Page has put out. Might not be age, as he certainly appears energetic for his age in those live interviews. Lazy. The way I see it is that the bootleggers don't represent Led Zeppelin and whether or not that is what fans and collectors want, it isn't their band. The band will do what it wants regardless of public opinion. I ain't complaining. I don't need extras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepfan2001 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 On 09/01/2015 at 11:02 AM, The Rover 75 said: It's really a simple answer, nobody is forcing you to buy them. I agree. Stop whining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irondirigible Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 It's what every old band does not. Re-release your old album, cleaned up a bit, and tack on a few goodies, Some of the goodies are good, some stale, some you don't know why they bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ98 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) I just had one of my most enjoyable Zep moments in recent memory listening to St. Tristan's Sword cranked up loud. I also listened to a bunch of the instrumental songs on the various discs, which I enjoyed quite a bit. I generally prefer instrumental music to songs with vocals (nothing against Robert, I just like instruments better than vocals), so they were definitely worth the price of admission for me and I'm glad I got to hear them. Edited May 20, 2018 by SteveZ98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irondirigible Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 On 5/13/2018 at 4:45 PM, Zepfan2001 said: I agree. Stop whining. Of course this is true that it's a choice to buy them or not buy them. But I think its a worthy criticism. There's really not much on ANY of the reissues that is worth getting or that adds to the original album. I would much rather have seen a single edition (perhaps a 2 disc set) or various outtakes and alternate tracks, rather than tacking this stuff onto existing albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmtomh Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, irondirigible said: Of course this is true that it's a choice to buy them or not buy them. But I think its a worthy criticism. There's really not much on ANY of the reissues that is worth getting or that adds to the original album. I would much rather have seen a single edition (perhaps a 2 disc set) or various outtakes and alternate tracks, rather than tacking this stuff onto existing albums. I don't think the point was to add to the original album in any musical way. That's why the companion discs were optional, with original album-only versions also available. And that's why they put out a complete separate disc for each album instead of adding 2-3 bonus tracks onto the end of the main album (which I would've hated, personally). As for your opinion that not much on any of the companion discs that's worth getting, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you're into the CD format, than the Zep I companion disc gets you the best sounding version of the very nice Paris '69 show (with Moby Dick included, albeit with some edits in Heartbreaker and How Many More Times), for just $2 or $3 over the cost of the single-disc Zep I reissue. The Zep III companion disc has Celebration Day without that damned synthesizer intro; a completely alt. version of Since I've Been Loving You; the beautiful version of That's the Way at the original speed and with dulcimer; Jennings Farm Blues; and Key to the Highway/Trouble in Mind. The PG companion disc gets you Bonham and Page doing an early version of Sick Again (which has the Rover-style intro they always used when they played the song live) and the totally alt version of In the Light. And the Coda companion discs are a treasure trove, with that blistering alt. version of Bring It on Home; an early and totally alt. version of Levee; the two Bombay '72 tracks; the mythical St. Tristan's Sword, which Zep fans have yearned for for many years; the original Walter's Walk instrumental without the 1982 Plant vocals and Page overdubs; a really great version of Bonzo's Montreux that's better than the version on the main album; another alt. version of In the Light; and an early version of the Wanton Song with alt. (and really cool) vocals. Even the Houses of the Holy companion disc, which IMHO does indeed contain little of value, does have the original instrumental concept of The Song Remains the Same, with extra, never-before heard Page guitar lines - a longtime grail for many hardcore Zep fans. I will agree that the Zep II companion disc is cool but nothing to write home about; that the Zep IV companion disc is of relatively little value; and that the In Through the Out Door companion disc straight up sucks (despite the alt. version of In the Evening and the more guitar-heavy version of Carouselambra), owing to the inclusion of three mono "rough mixes" of three of the album's most important tracks, in appalling sound quality. Edited October 5, 2018 by tmtomh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgeholder Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, tmtomh said: the Zep IV companion disc is of relatively little value I know I'm all alone in this, but the alternate mix of Misty Mountain Hop is one of my favorite tracks in this entire re-issue campaign. The drums! Good lord..THE DRUMS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmtomh Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 3 hours ago, badgeholder said: I know I'm all alone in this, but the alternate mix of Misty Mountain Hop is one of my favorite tracks in this entire re-issue campaign. The drums! Good lord..THE DRUMS! Haven't listened to that in awhile - I will have to revisit it. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strombringer101 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I bought all of the reissues accept Physical, & Led Zeppelin 1. Not that I don't like those albums I just haven't gotten around to getting them. The first batch I bought was In through....Presences, Houses Holy. I was not happy with the mono versions of All my love but didn't bother me much because the official version sounds amazing on my Sonos Player 1 speakers. Incredible intro with those keyboards by Jones. The surprise gold nugget was THE Epic. holy cow that jam deserve to be played on the radio! The keyboards are more in the back, Jimmy playing is more upfront as is BONZO. Presences is my favorite Zeppelin Album because it has no keyboards, or soft ballads. It is just pure balls out rock and roll with a hint of the disgust Plant was having with the drug scenes of the 1970s. Excellent recording, very happy to have it. I think en general I was very happy with the cystral clear sounds of the studio and was happy for the new lesser liked companion disk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirchzep27 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On October 5, 2018 at 5:33 PM, tmtomh said: I don't think the point was to add to the original album in any musical way. That's why the companion discs were optional, with original album-only versions also available. And that's why they put out a complete separate disc for each album instead of adding 2-3 bonus tracks onto the end of the main album (which I would've hated, personally). As for your opinion that not much on any of the companion discs that's worth getting, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you're into the CD format, than the Zep I companion disc gets you the best sounding version of the very nice Paris '69 show (with Moby Dick included, albeit with some edits in Heartbreaker and How Many More Times), for just $2 or $3 over the cost of the single-disc Zep I reissue. The Zep III companion disc has Celebration Day without that damned synthesizer intro; a completely alt. version of Since I've Been Loving You; the beautiful version of That's the Way at the original speed and with dulcimer; Jennings Farm Blues; and Key to the Highway/Trouble in Mind. The PG companion disc gets you Bonham and Page doing an early version of Sick Again (which has the Rover-style intro they always used when they played the song live) and the totally alt version of In the Light. And the Coda companion discs are a treasure trove, with that blistering alt. version of Bring It on Home; an early and totally alt. version of Levee; the two Bombay '72 tracks; the mythical St. Tristan's Sword, which Zep fans have yearned for for many years; the original Walter's Walk instrumental without the 1982 Plant vocals and Page overdubs; a really great version of Bonzo's Montreux that's better than the version on the main album; another alt. version of In the Light; and an early version of the Wanton Song with alt. (and really cool) vocals. Even the Houses of the Holy companion disc, which IMHO does indeed contain little of value, does have the original instrumental concept of The Song Remains the Same, with extra, never-before heard Page guitar lines - a longtime grail for many hardcore Zep fans. I will agree that the Zep II companion disc is cool but nothing to write home about; that the Zep IV companion disc is of relatively little value; and that the In Through the Out Door companion disc straight up sucks (despite the alt. version of In the Evening and the more guitar-heavy version of Carouselambra), owing to the inclusion of three mono "rough mixes" of three of the album's most important tracks, in appalling sound quality. This is a well said, very important point. The companion discs were a huge untold bargain for starving zep fans. Also add the significant sound improvement of the albums and its a win win beyond belief. I bought the new records,cds specifically for the companion discs...and i am totally happy with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reids Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, kirchzep27 said: This is a well said, very important point. The companion discs were a huge untold bargain for starving zep fans. Also add the significant sound improvement of the albums and its a win win beyond belief. I bought the new records,cds specifically for the companion discs...and i am totally happy with them. Same here. I bought all the companion CDs and most recently bought the blu ray audio discs for HTWWW & TSRTS. Getting my Led Zeppelin book this weekend (target and Barnes & Noble (online price match)) have them at or near $43 - $46 each. Didn’t need the “folded” posters. 🙄 R😎🎸👍 Edited October 13, 2018 by reids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reids Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 10/13/2018 at 8:16 AM, reids said: Same here. I bought all the companion CDs and most recently bought the blu ray audio discs for HTWWW & TSRTS. Getting my Led Zeppelin book this weekend (target and Barnes & Noble (online price match)) have them at or near $43 - $46 each. Didn’t need the “folded” posters. 🙄 R😎🎸👍 Actually got the book ordered from Amazon as it’s now lowered to $41.97 and free shipping. Still didn’t need the “folded” poster. 🙄 R😎🎸👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormwatcher Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I find it boring, all companion discs, Page is selling out his old band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tremelo Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) toI think its a little strange the Jimmy would let the bootleggers have the advantage of what can and cannot be released simply because they found a way to release it first, Its Jimmy's life's work and material. If this is simply a theme for these series of re-releases and not a philosophy okay then, but get the remaining "released" stuff out there at some point and please do not attach it the studio albums yet again. Edited October 18, 2018 by Tremelo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I still go back & listen to the companion discs for III, HOTH & Coda fairly regularly, I don't think they're 'rubbish' at all & I'm really glad I have them. Some of the others I can take or leave but I like to have them there for reference. I'm really happy that the whole project was undertaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeplz71 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Mook said: I still go back & listen to the companion discs for III, HOTH & Coda fairly regularly, I don't think they're 'rubbish' at all & I'm really glad I have them. Some of the others I can take or leave but I like to have them there for reference. I'm really happy that the whole project was undertaken. La La is great too. 10 Ribs outtake from Presence is also one of the most interesting and surprising! Sounds nothing like Presence and I would have guessed it was from ITTOD. Completely new and unheard outtakes and a few "hard-core" trolls want nothing more than to complain about single thing they release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, zeplz71 said: La La is great too. 10 Ribs outtake from Presence is also one of the most interesting and surprising! Sounds nothing like Presence and I would have guessed it was from ITTOD. Completely new and unheard outtakes and a few "hard-core" trolls want nothing more than to complain about single thing they release. Trolls ? That's a bit cheeky, is no one entitled to an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Only Way To Fly Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I'm glad to have what we do have. I'm a bit disappointed like many others here and wish Page would have done something like the Beach Boys did for the Pet Sounds Box Set. Could you imagine 4 plus cd's of outtakes, false starts, studio chatter, for Zeppelin IV or PG. That's the stuff I wished for the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paganini Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I’ve no interest in them —if the music wasn’t considered worth putting out at the time then I don’t see the point in endless variations of the official releases , other than to squeeze our lemons a bit more . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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