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On 2/7/2016 at 9:26 PM, SteveAJones said:

Well, The Stones could never top The Beatles because they were marketed as a sort of anti-Beatles, weren't as attractive and were more of an r&b group than a pop group.

Disbandment of The Beatles in April 1970 didn't hurt Led Zeppelin's ascent to becoming hailed as the most popular band.

No but Abbey Road being released Sept 26 ,1969 then Let It Be in 1970 kept them around for a while. Also, in 1973 they released the red and blue greatest hits which were big time sellers as well.

(John Lennon quit The Beatles around Sept 20 or 22 1969 at a meeting with the band but kept it silent till Paul released his solo lp in April 1970 and spilled the beans. Lennon went back into Abbey Road studios to record Cold Turkey with the Plastic Ono Band Sept 69)  

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On 12/7/2015 at 4:50 PM, imPLANTed said:

What a classy reply!

Jimmy, always so classy. Keith, always so jealous and completely insecure. All the other british stars who made it big in America in that era ...so much hatred for lz. There was only room for one at the top of the mountain, and everyone knows who it was, and they just hate 'em cause they ain't 'em.

Imagine working your butt off to get to where you are, you're playing great timeless music in its own respect, and you're selling out arenas and all you keep hearing is talk about zeppelin playing at the 70,000 seat stadium and selling THAT out. That has to leave an impression, and weaker people will let it haunt them for decades.

There's no telling if Jimmy would have handled it any better had the shoe been on the other foot, but he handles their arrows with grace, and I think some empathy.

Very very few men ever get to set foot on the moon, and not being picked might make a man bitter. That's how I see it.

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On 12/7/2015 at 6:32 AM, chillumpuffer said:

eeemmmm seems like old keith has  selective memory (loss) Did Zeppelin not tour the US in1972 ( i think) at the same time as The Stones and whilst our boys were shifting all the tickets, The Stones were struggling?

Still I will always take the memory of me being in that field on August 4th 1979 ALL DAY, whilst I was back in the pub, mid set, at Leeds in 1982

What? The Stones and Zeppelin toured the States during the same year three times and the Stones tour had better grosses every time. Not sure what you are talking about when you say the Stones were struggling.

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On 3/9/2016 at 7:24 PM, Gregg Gusta said:

Jimmy, always so classy. Keith, always so jealous and completely insecure. All the other british stars who made it big in America in that era ...so much hatred for lz. There was only room for one at the top of the mountain, and everyone knows who it was, and they just hate 'em cause they ain't 'em.

Imagine working your butt off to get to where you are, you're playing great timeless music in its own respect, and you're selling out arenas and all you keep hearing is talk about zeppelin playing at the 70,000 seat stadium and selling THAT out. That has to leave an impression, and weaker people will let it haunt them for decades.

There's no telling if Jimmy would have handled it any better had the shoe been on the other foot, but he handles their arrows with grace, and I think some empathy.

Very very few men ever get to set foot on the moon, and not being picked might make a man bitter. That's how I see it.

Except the Stones were the ones that set the attendance records for the 1970s and not Led Zeppelin. Another one who bought the myth.

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9 hours ago, stanlove said:

Except the Stones were the ones that set the attendance records for the 1970s and not Led Zeppelin. Another one who bought the myth.

Yeah that would explain why if you type "1970's concert attendance records" into Google you see Led Zeppelin all over the place and nothing about the Stones. When you say "myth", do you mean the same thing other people do when they say "facts"? LOL.

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31 minutes ago, Balthazor said:

Yeah that would explain why if you type "1970's concert attendance records" into Google you see Led Zeppelin all over the place and nothing about the Stones. When you say "myth", do you mean the same thing other people do when they say "facts"? LOL.

Plus, Zep never had opening acts after the first couple of tours (68 - 69) so their attendance records are for a single act. The Stones typically used opening acts thus they would not be in the same category...and, those opening acts the Stones used such as Billy Preston, Stevie Wonder, ZZ Top, Van Halen, Journey, Kansas, Etta James, & The Dobbie Bros. All of those support acts were huge draws in and of themselves at the time so most Stones concerts were in fact double bills.

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35 minutes ago, Balthazor said:

Yeah that would explain why if you type "1970's concert attendance records" into Google you see Led Zeppelin all over the place and nothing about the Stones. When you say "myth", do you mean the same thing other people do when they say "facts"? LOL.

Here is the list of the biggest 249 concerts ever. The Stones are on there 6 times and Zeppelin once. The Stones owned the 1970s attendance records and thats a fact. If you see any mistakes in there let me know.  Plus anytime you want to compare the Stones vs Zeppelin grosses the three times they toured in the same year 69,72, and 75 I would be more then willing. Zeppelin started the myth along time ago that they set all of the records and out grossed everyone and Zep fans just blindly repeat it over and over again. I see that all over the internet.

 

 

1. Tina Turner - 1988 - Rio de Janeiro, BR - Estadio Maracana - 188,000 * 
2. Paul McCartney - 1990 - Rio de Janeiro, BR - Estadio Maracana - 184,000 * 
3. Luciano Ligabue - 2005 - Reggio Emilia, IT - Festival Grounds - 165,264 
4. Bruce Springsteen - 1988 - Berlin, DE - Radrennbahn Weißensee - 160,000 * 
5. U2 - 1997 - Reggio Emilia, IT - Festival Grounds - 150,000 
6. Madonna - 1987 - Paris, FR - Parc de Sceaux - 130,000 * 
7. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Prague, CZ - Strahov Stadium - 126,742 
8. Michael Jackson - 1996 - Prague, CZ - Strahov Stadium - 125,000 * 
9. Oasis - 1996 - Knebworth, UK - Festival Grounds - 125,000 x2 * 
10. Robbie Williams - 2003 - Knebworth, UK - Festival Grounds - 122,000 x3 * 
11. Robbie Williams - 2003 - Dublin, IR - Phoenix Park - 120,000 * 
12. Michael Jackson - 1996 - Warsaw, PL - Bemowo Airport - 120,000 * 
13. Queen - 1986 - Knebworth, UK - Festival Grounds - 120,000 * 
14. Rolling Stones - 1982 - Leeds, UK - Roundhay Park - 120,000 * 
15. U2 - 1987 - Madrid, ES - Estadio Bernabeu - 115,000 * 
16. Grateful Dead - 1977 - English Town, NJ - Race Way Park - 107,019 
17. U2 - 2009 - Los Angeles, CA - Rose Bowl - 97,014 
18. U2 - 2010 - Paris, FR - Stade de France - 96,540 
19. AC/DC - 2010 - Wels, AT - Flughafen - 94,838 
20. U2 - 2011 - Mexico-City, MX - Estadio Azteca - 94,326 x3 
21. U2 - 2011 - Johannesburg, RSA - Soccer City Stadium - 94,232 
22. U2 - 2009 - Paris, FR - Stade de France - 93,272 x2 
23. Rolling Stones - 1978 - Philadelphia, PA - JFK Stadium - 93,000 * 
24. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Nürnberg, DE - Zeppelinfeld - 91,590 
25. The Who - 1982 - Philadelphia, PA - JFK Stadium - 91,451 
26. AC/DC - 2009 - Hockenheim, DE - Hockenheimring - 91,312 
27. U2 - 2009 - Barcelona, ES - Camp Nou - 91,028 x2 
28. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Hockenheim, DE - Hockenheimring - 90,871 
29. Rolling Stones - 1981 - Philadelphia, PA - JFK Stadium - 90,782 x2 
30. Rolling Stones - 1989 - Los Angeles, CA - LA Memorial Coliseum - 90,017 x2 
31. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Hamburg, DE - Trabrennbahn - 90,000 
32. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Wolfsburg, DE - VW Festival Site - 90,000 
33. Elton John - 1992 - Mexico-City, MX - Azteca Stadium - 90,000 x2 
34. Genesis - 1992 - Knebworth, UK - Festival Grounds - 90,000 * 
35. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Hannover, DE - Expogelände - 89,963 
36. U2 - 2011 - Sao Paulo, BR - Estadio Morumbi - 89,830 x3 
37. Rolling Stones - 2005 - Moncton, CAN - Magnetic Hill Concert Site - 89,260 
38. U2 - 2011 - East Rutherford, NJ - New Meadowlands Stadium - 88,491 
39. U2 - 2009 - Berlin, DE - Olympiastadion - 88,265 
40. Celine Dion - 1999 - Paris, FR - Stade de France - 88,199 x2 * 
41. Rolling Stones - 1981 - New Orleans, LA - Superdome - 87,500 
42. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Zeltweg, AT - Österreichring - 86,470 
43. U2 - 1987 - Philadelphia, PA - JFK Stadium - 86,145 
44. Red Hot Chili Peppers - 2004 - London, UK - Hyde Park - 86,000 x3 
45. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Den Haag NL - Malieveld - 86,000 
46. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Mannheim, DE - Maimarkt - 85,613 
47. Madonna - 2009 - Helsinki, FI - West Harbour - 85,354 
48. Madonna - 2006 - Horsens, DK - Forum Horsens - 85,232 
49. Bon Jovi - 2003 - London, UK - Hyde Park - 85,000 
50. Michael Jackson - 1997 - Hockenheim, DE - Hockenheimring - 85,000 
51. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Schüttdorf, DE - Festival Grounds - 84,896 
52. U2 - 2009 - Washington, DC - Fedex Field - 84,754 
53. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Hockenheim, DE - Hockenheimring - 84,710 x2 * 
54. U2 - 2009 - East Rutherford, NJ - Giants Stadium - 84,472 
55. Rolling Stones - 2006 - Horsens, DK - Forum Horsens - 84,088 
56. Journey - 1982 - Los Angeles, CA - Rose Bowl - 83,214 
57. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Leipzig, DE - Festwiese - 83,105 
58. The Who - 1982 - Los Angeles, CA - LA Memorial Coliseum - 83,000 
59. Bruce Springsteen - 1985 - Los Angeles, CA - LA Memorial Coliseum - 82,973 x4 
60. U2 - 2010 - Athens, GR - OAKA Stadium - 82,662 
61. U2 - 2005 - Dublin, IR - Croke Park - 82,248 x3 
62. U2 - 2009 - London, UK - Wembley Stadium - 82,122 x2 
63. The Police - 2007 - Dublin, IR - Croke Park - 81,640 
64. Bon Jovi - 2006 - Dublin, IR - Croke Park - 81,327 
65. U2 - 2005 - Barcelona, ES - Camp Nou - 81,269 
66. U2 - 2011 - Montreal, CAN - Hippodrome de Montreal - 81,233 x2 
67. U2 - 2009 - Dublin, IR - Croke Park - 81,066 x3 
68. Rolling Stones - 1975 - Kansas City, MO - Arrowhead Stadium - 81,000 * 
69. R.E.M. - 2005 - London, UK - Hyde Park - 80,852 
70. Pink Floyd - 1987 - Philadelphia, PA - JFK Stadium - 80,754 
71. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Paris, FR - Longchamps - 80,303 x2 
72. Oasis - 2009 - Dublin, IR - Slane Castle - 80,241 
73. U2 - 2005 - Paris, FR - Stade de France - 80,175 x2 
74. Rolling Stones - 1978 - New Orleans, LA - Lousiana Superdome - 80,173 
75. Queen - 1986 - Budapest, HU - Nepstadion - 80,000 * 
76. The Police - 1983 - Los Angeles, CA - Hollywood Park - 80,000 * 
77. The Who - 1982 - Buffalo, NY - Rich Stadium - 80,000 
78. Rolling Stones - 1978 - Buffalo, NY - Rich Stadium - 80,000 * 
79. Rolling Stones - 1975 - Buffalo, NY - Rich Stadium - 80,000 * 
80. Kings of Leon - 2011 - Dublin, IR - Slane Castle - 79,686 
81. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Athens, GR - OAKA Stadium - 79,446 
82. Madonna - 2008 - Warsaw, PL - Bemowo Airport - 79,343 
83. AC/DC - 2010 - Hannover, DE - Expogelände - 79,273 
84. The Police - 2007 - Paris, FR - Stade de France - 78,953 x2 
85. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Dublin, IR - Croke Park - 78,905 * 
86. U2 - 2001 - Dublin, IR - Slane Castle - 78,709 x2 
87. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Dresden, DE - Festwiese - 78,346 x2 * 
88. Michael Jackson - 1997 - Berlin, DE - Olympiastadion - 78,187 
89. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Mannheim, DE - Maimarkt - 78,034 
90. R.E.M. - 1995 - Dublin, IR - Slane Castle - 78,000 
91. Rolling Stones - 1981 - Dallas, TX - Cotton Bowl - 78,000 x2 
92. Take That - 2009 - Dublin, IR - Croke Park - 77,988 
93. Take That - 2011 - London, UK - Wembley Stadium - 77,967 x8 
94. U2 - 2011 - Denver, CO - Invesco Field At Mile High - 77,918 
95. U2 - 2011 - Santiago, CL - Estadio Nacional - 77,765 
96. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Hamburg, DE - Trabrennbahn - 77,555 x2 * 
97. U2 - 2005 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 77,435 
98. Take That - 2011 - Dublin, IR - Croke Park - 77,414 x2 
99. U2 - 2006 - Santiago, CL - Estadio Nacional - 77,345 
100. U2 - 2009 - East Rutherford, NJ - Giants Stadium - 77,338 
101. Westlife - 2008 - Dublin, IR - Croke Park - 77,099 
102. U2 - 1998 - Sao Paulo, BR - Estadio Morumbi - 77,028 x2 
103. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Santiago, CL - Estadio Nacional - 77,000 * 
104. U2 - 2009 - Milan, IT - San Siro - 76,902 x2 
105. Aerosmith - 1976 - Detroit, MI - Pontiac Silverdome - 76,900 
106. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Zagreb, HR - Hippodrome - 76,755 
107. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Paris, DE - Stade de France - 76,716 
108. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Berlin, DE - Olympiastadion - 76,689 
109. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Cologne, DE - Jahnwiese - 76,681 x2 * 
110. Black Eyed Peas - 2010 - Mexico-City, MX - Azteca Stadium - 76,458 
111. AC/DC - 2010 - Paris, FR - Stade de France - 76,375 
112. Rolling Stones - 1981 - Detroit, MI - Pontiac Silverdome - 76,348 x2 
113. U2 - 2010 - Sevilla, ES - Estadio Olimpico - 76,159 
114. U2 - 2010 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 76,150 
115. Led Zeppelin - 1977 - Detroit, MI - Pontiac Silverdome - 76,000 
116. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Buenos Aires, ARG - River Plate Stadium - 76,000 x2 * 
117. The Who - 1975 - Detroit, MI - Pontiac Silverdome - 75,962 
118. U2 - 2010 - Rome, IT - Stadio Olimpico - 75,847 
119. Madonna - 2009 - Athens, GR - OAKA Stadium - 75,637 
120. Rolling Stones - 2003 - Paris, FR - Stade de France - 75,517 
121. Pink Floyd - 1994 - Columbus, OH - State University Stadium - 75,250 
122. U2 - 2006 - Buenos Aires, ARG - River Plate Stadium - 75,212 x2 
123. U2 - 2009 - Chorzow, PL - Stadion Slaski - 75,180 
124. Madonna - 2008 - Lisbon, POR - Parque de Bela Vista - 75,000 
125. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Milton Keynes, UK - National Bowl - 75,000 x2 * 
126. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Groningen, NL - Stadspark - 75,000 
127. Michael Jackson - 1996 - Talinn, EST - Festival Grounds - 75,000 
128. The Who - 1982 - Detroit, MI - Pontiac Silverdome - 75,000 
129. Rolling Stones - 1981 - Buffalo, NY - Rich Stadium - 75,000 
130. U2 - 2006 - Sao Paulo, BR - Estadio Morumbi - 74,850 x2 
131. Rolling Stones - 1981 - Tempe, AZ - Sun Devil Stadium - 74,637 
132. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 74,588 
133. U2 - 2011 - Baltimore, MD - M&T Bank Stadium - 74,557 
134. AC/DC - 2009 - Paris, FR - Stade de France - 74,549 
135. Vasco Rossi - 2003 - Milan, IT - San Siro - 74,500 x2 
136. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Leipzig, DE - Festwiese - 74,348 
137. Westlife - 2010 - Dublin, IR - Croke Park - 74,088 
138. Tina Turner - 2000 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 73,920 
139. U2 - 2009 - Gelsenkirchen, DE - Veltins Arena - 73,704 
140. Madonna - 2008 - London, UK - Wembley Stadium - 73,349 
141. Backstreet Boys - 2000 - Atlanta, GA - Georgia Dome - 73,337 
142. Bruce Springsteen - 1985 - Miami, FL - Orange Bowl - 73,229 x2 
143. Madonna - 2008 - Santiago, CL - Estadio Nacional - 73,121 x2 
144. U2 - 2001 - Torino, IT - Stadio Delle Alpi - 73,061 
145. U2 - 1993 - Werchter, BL - Festival Grounds - 73,000 * 
146. Tina Turner - 2000 - Werchter, BL - Festival Site - 72,820 
147. U2 - 2009 - Tampa, FL - Raymond James Stadium - 72,688 
148. U2 - 2011 - Miami, FL - Sun Life Stadium - 72,569 
149. U2 - 2011 - Cape Town, RSA - Cape Town Stadium - 72,532 
150. The Jacksons - 1984 - Philadelphia, PA - JFK Stadium - 72,500 x2 
151. U2 - 2011 - Philadelphia, PA - Lincoln Financial Field - 72,389 
152. U2 - 2010 - Brussels, BL - Koning Boudewijn Stadion - 72,169 x2 
153. U2 - 1997 - London, UK - Wembley Stadium 72,154 x2 
154. Madonna - 2009 - Talinn, EST - Festival Grounds - 72,067 
155. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Landgraaf, NL - Festival Site - 72,000 
156. U2 - 1993 - London, UK - Wembley Stadium - 72,000 x2 * 
157. U2 - 1987 - London, UK - Wembley Stadium - 72,000 x2 * 
158. Bruce Springsteen - 2008 - Barcelona, ES - Camp Nou - 71,902 x2 
159. Aerosmith - 2007 - Buenos Aires, ARG - River Plate Stadium - 71,871 
160. Bruce Springsteen - 1985 - Cleveland, OH - Cleveland Stadium - 71,808 
161. Genesis - 1992 - Columbus, OH - State University Stadium - 71,550 
162. Bon Jovi - 2006 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 71,467 
163. Bruce Springsteen - 1985 - Chicago, IL - Soldier Field - 71,222 
164. AC/DC - 2010 - Sydney, AUS - ANZ Stadium - 71,015 x3 
165. Rolling Stones - 1998 - Berlin, DE - Olympiastadion - 70,900 
166. Michael Jackson - 1997 - London, UK - Wembley Stadium - 70,867 x3 
167. U2 - 2009 - Dallas, TX - Cowboys Stadium - 70,766 
168. Rolling Stones - 1978 - Chicago, IL - Soldier Field - 70,725 
169. U2 - 2006 - Mexico-City, MX - Estadio Azteca - 70,639 x2 
170. Rolling Stones - 2006 - Buenos Aires, ARG - River Plate Stadium - 70,546 x2 
171. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Rio de Janeiro, BR - Estadio Maracana 70,527 x2 
172. Bon Jovi - 2008 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 70,473 
173. U2 - 2005 - Berlin, DE - Olympiastadion - 70,443 
174. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Montpelier, FR - Grammont - 70,360 
175. Madonna - 2008 - Zurich, CH - Militärflughafen - 70,314 
176. David Bowie - 1983 - Anaheim, CA - Anaheim Stadium - 70,089 
177. Vasco Rossi - 2005 - Imola, IT - Race Track - 70,000 
178. Michael Jackson - 1997 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 70,000 x2 * 
179. Michael Jackson - 1996 - Bucharest, RO - National Stadium - 70,000 * 
180. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Werchter, BL - Festival Grounds - 70,000 x2 
181. U2 - 1993 - Napoli, IT - Stadio San Paulo - 70,000 * 
182. U2 - 1987 - Paris, FR - Hippodrome - 70,000 * 
183. The Who - 1982 - New York City, NY - Shea Stadium - 70,000 x2 
184. Rolling Stones - 1981 - San Diego, CA - Jack Murphy Stadium - 70,000 
185. The Who - 1980 - Toronto, CAN - CNE Stadium - 70,000 
186. Herbert Grönemeyer - 2007 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 69,882 
187. AC/DC - 2009 - London, UK - Wembley Stadium - 69,881 
188. Bruce Springsteen - 1985 - Detroit, MI - Pontiac Silverdome - 69,844 
189. Vasco Rossi - 2008 - Milan, IT - San Siro 69,802 
190. Pink Floyd - 1994 - Denver, CO - Mile High Stadium - 69,788 
191. U2 - 2005 - Milan, IT - San Siro - 69,714 x2 
192. Rolling Stones - 1999 - London, UK - Wembley Stadium - 69,681 
193. U2 - 2011 - Seattle, WA - Qwest Field - 69,439 
194. Robbie Williams - 2003 - Hannover, DE - Expogelände - 69,430 * 
195. AC/DC - 2009 - Naas, IR - Punchestown Racecourse - 69,354 
196. U2 - 2010 - Vienna, AT - Ernst Happel Stadion - 69,253 
197. Rolling Stones - 1995 - London, UK - Wembley Stadium - 69,113 x3 
198. Madonna - 2009 - Bucharest, RO - Park Izvor - 69,088 
199. Madonna - 2008 - Paris, FR - Stade de France - 69,082 
200. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Leeds, UK - Roundhay Park - 69,000 x2 * 
201. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 68,971 x3 * 
202. Genesis - 2007 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 68,951 
203. U2 - 2006 - Sydney, AUS - ANZ Stadium - 68,856 x3 
204. Bruce Springsteen - 1985 - Toronto, CAN - Exhibition Stadium - 68,856 x2 
205. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Buenos Aires, ARG - River Plate Stadium - 68,829 x5 
206. Rolling Stones - 2007 - Dublin, IR - Slane Castle - 68,647 
207. Pink Floyd - 1994 - Foxborough, MA - Foxboro Stadium - 68,588 x2 
208. Madonna - 2009 - Werchter, BL - Festival Grounds - 68,434 
209. Vasco Rossi - 2005 - Torino, IT - Stadio Delle Alpi - 68,134 
210. Bon Jovi - 2011 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 68,025 
211. U2 - 2009 - Chicago, IL - Soldier Field - 67,936 x2 
212. U2 - 1998 - Santiago, CL - Estadio Nacional - 67,633 
213. Rolling Stones - 1995 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 67,509 
214. Rolling Stones - 1981 - San Francisco - Candlestick Park - 67,500 x2 
215. Muse - 2007 - London, UK - Wembley Stadium - 67,144 x2 
216. U2 - 2005 - Rome, IT - Stadio Olimpico - 67,002 
217. U2 - 1998 - Rio de Janeiro, BR - Nelson Piquet Autodromo - 66,949 
218. AC/DC - 2010 - Dresden, DE - Festwiese - 66,914 
219. U2 - 2011 - Edmonton, CAN - Commonwealth Stadium - 66,835 
220. U2 - 2011 - Moncton, CAN - Magnetic Hill Concert Site - 66,823 
221. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Milan, IT - San Siro - 66,750 * 
222. U2 - 2009 - Cardiff, UK - Millennium Stadium - 66,538 
223. U2 - 1987 - Montreal, CAN - Olympic Stadium - 66,117 
224. AC/DC - 2009 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 66,023 
225. AC/DC - 2010 - Berlin, DE - Olympiastadion - 65,958 
226. Madonna - 2009 - Buenos Aires, ARG - River Plate Stadium - 65,923 x4 
227. Depeche Mode - 2009 - Munich, DE - Olympiastadion - 65,657 
228. Madonna - 2009 - Sao Paulo, BR - Estadio Morumbi - 65,552 x3 
229. U2 - 1997 - Los Angeles, CA - LA Memorial Coliseum - 65,488 
230. AC/DC - 2010 - Sao Paulo, BR - Estadio Morumbi - 65,311 
231. Grateful Dead - 1992 - Buffalo, NY - Rich Stadium - 65,228 
232. Rolling Stones - 1999 - Stuttgart, DE - Canstatter Wasen - 65,197 
233. Rolling Stones - 2006 - Zurich, CH - Militärflughafen - 65,135 
234. Depeche Mode - 2009 - Paris, FR - Stade de France - 65,005 
235. Robbie Williams - 2006 - Budapest, HU - Nepstadion - 65,000 * 
236. Grateful Dead - 1995 - Highgate, VT - Franklin County Airport - 65,000

 

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3 minutes ago, stanlove said:

Zeppelin started the myth along time ago that they set all of the records and out grossed everyone and Zep fans just blindly repeat it over and over again. I see that all over the internet.
 

That would explain the dozens and dozens of magazines and newspaper articles I have from the 70's describing Zeppelin as the top drawing concert act, like this little tidbit below...it's all because Led Zeppelin said so. :)

 

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1 hour ago, Balthazor said:

That would explain the dozens and dozens of magazines and newspaper articles I have from the 70's describing Zeppelin as the top drawing concert act, like this little tidbit below...it's all because Led Zeppelin said so. :)

 

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I just proved that wrong..If you see any problems on my list let me know. What Zep fans do is point to things like the Tampa shows and talk about records but they totally ignore when the Stones smashed those records.  Zep set the record in 1973 and Zep fans always talk about it, but the Stones smashed that record twice in 1975 and they totally ignore it. The Stones played before 80 thousand plus twice in 1975. Bigger crowds then Zeppelin ever played in front of. By the way the list I posted is missing 2 Stones shows. I The 1975 and 1978 Cleveland shows both drew more then 80,000.

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1 hour ago, stanlove said:

I just proved that wrong..If you see any problems on my list let me know. What Zep fans do is point to things like the Tampa shows and talk about records but they totally ignore when the Stones smashed those records.  Zep set the record in 1973 and Zep fans always talk about it, but the Stones smashed that record twice in 1975 and they totally ignore it.

And lpMan answered you. Single act attendance vs multiple is one explanation.

I counted only 9 shows on your list happening in 1980 or earlier (during Led Zeppelin's existence). It's also strange that Knebworth 79 didn't make the top 200+  shows.. Aug 4th alone was to well over 200,000 people. Hell, Genesis played to over half a million people on their last reunion tour in Italy.. one show..not on the list... Why?

Personally I never cared much about the record.. Records are meant to be broken.. 

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21 minutes ago, the chase said:

And lpMan answered you. Single act attendance vs multiple is one explanation.

I counted only 9 shows on your list happening in 1980 or earlier (during Led Zeppelin's existence). It's also strange that Knebworth 79 didn't make the top 200+  shows.. Aug 4th alone was to well over 200,000 people. Hell, Genesis played to over half a million people on their last reunion tour in Italy.. one show..not on the list... Why?

Personally I never cared much about the record.. Records are meant to be broken.. 

And  like i said if someone wants to say both bands were so big that it would be hard to tell which was a bigger drawing band then that is reasonable. But when i reply is when Zep fans make the argument that the Zep blew the Stones away at the box office. Thats not true at all. And by the way the Stones in KC and other places where they set records sold tickets before even announcing who the warn up acts were. I really think its not a good argument to bother mentioning that the Stones used warm up acts. The Stones used warm up acts because they didn't like to play long sets, not because they needed them to seel out stadiums, But the fact is the Stones concerts were bigger and they charged more per ticket. In 1975 the Stones were charging 12 dollars a ticket while Zeppelin was charging 7.  The Stones were the kings of the road in the 1970s.

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2 hours ago, stanlove said:

I just proved that wrong..

Well maybe you did and maybe you didn't. Either way, to come to the Led Zeppelin forum and proceed to say that Led Zeppelin are liars and that their fans are dupes, seems like kind of a dick move to me.

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30 minutes ago, the chase said:

And lpMan answered you. Single act attendance vs multiple is one explanation.

I counted only 9 shows on your list happening in 1980 or earlier (during Led Zeppelin's existence). It's also strange that Knebworth 79 didn't make the top 200+  shows.. Aug 4th alone was to well over 200,000 people. Hell, Genesis played to over half a million people on their last reunion tour in Italy.. one show..not on the list... Why?

Personally I never cared much about the record.. Records are meant to be broken.. 

As for Knebworth. That is another Zeppelin myth.

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/79-Knebworth-festival.html

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Balthazor said:

Well maybe you did and maybe you didn't. Either way, to come to the Led Zeppelin forum and proceed to say that Led Zeppelin are liars and that their fans are dupes, seems like kind of a dick move to me.

So should I just ignore it when I see posts that claim the Stones were jealous and bitter because while they played Arenas  Zeppelin was playing 70,000  seat stadiums? Or see posts that claim while Zeppelin was smashing records all over the pace the Stones were struggling to fill Arenas?

As for Zeppelin being liars I don't think I would go that far. I think if Zeppelin in the spring of 1975 said they owned all of the records then they would be correct. But I do think that Zeppelin tried to go out of their way to say they were bigger then the Stones because at the time the Stones were the kings and the way to get to their level is to say you are as big or bigger.  The Stones didn't need to point out they had records for attendance. I think Zep fans don't look at the context of the times. The Stones were already established by the early 70s and were on the throne. Zeppelin was trying to get there.

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1 hour ago, stanlove said:

So should I just ignore it when I see posts that claim the Stones were jealous and bitter because while they played Arenas  Zeppelin was playing 70,000  seat stadiums? Or see posts that claim while Zeppelin was smashing records all over the pace the Stones were struggling to fill Arenas?

I see that you've made 24 posts, 24 of which were you arguing that the Stones were a bigger band and that Zeppelin's success was mythology. So it's not like you're here talking about Led Zeppelin and happen to run across an inaccuracy you feel compelled to correct. It would seem that's your entire purpose in being here. Which, again, seems like a dick move to me. So to answer your question, you could always just not troll the Led Zeppelin forum for apparently the sole purpose of raining on our parade.

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2 hours ago, stanlove said:

And  like i said if someone wants to say both bands were so big that it would be hard to tell which was a bigger drawing band then that is reasonable. But when i reply is when Zep fans make the argument that the Zep blew the Stones away at the box office. Thats not true at all. And by the way the Stones in KC and other places where they set records sold tickets before even announcing who the warn up acts were. I really think its not a good argument to bother mentioning that the Stones used warm up acts. The Stones used warm up acts because they didn't like to play long sets, not because they needed them to seel out stadiums, But the fact is the Stones concerts were bigger and they charged more per ticket. In 1975 the Stones were charging 12 dollars a ticket while Zeppelin was charging 7.  The Stones were the kings of the road in the 1970s.

This thread before you posted this last round had been inactive since March 17th.. Nobody gives a rats ass about your so called myth theory. Nobody but you.. The Rolling Stones were and are a hugely successful rock and roll band. Got it.   See ya next month.  

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1 hour ago, Balthazor said:

I see that you've made 24 posts, 24 of which were you arguing that the Stones were a bigger band and that Zeppelin's success was mythology. So it's not like you're here talking about Led Zeppelin and happen to run across an inaccuracy you feel compelled to correct. It would seem that's your entire purpose in being here. Which, again, seems like a dick move to me. So to answer your question, you could always just not troll the Led Zeppelin forum for apparently the sole purpose of raining on our parade.

I read through the site all of the time. I don't get into opinions so I don't post a lot. If someone says that Zeppelin  in the 1970s blew the Stones away as a live band then that's an opinion and nothing to argue about. We all have out opinions. But when someone quotes facts that are not accurate then I comment.

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2 hours ago, the chase said:

This thread before you posted this last round had been inactive since March 17th.. Nobody gives a rats ass about your so called myth theory. Nobody but you.. The Rolling Stones were and are a hugely successful rock and roll band. Got it.   See ya next month.  

I ran into this thread when I googled Keith Richards.

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There are many things one can consider when attempting to establish who the bigger artist was during a particular timeframe.  The list of largest concert attendance draws is one example.  If you notice most of the top draws in the list provided above are after the 1970’s outside of the North American market when artists started to venture outside North America.  North America was the popular spot to play in the 1970’s due to larger venues, revenue from ticket sales, and merchandise starting to be sold more at concerts.  Other things were also readily available to famous artists (the old sex, booze, drugs, wrecking of hotel rooms, etc.) during downtime.  New markets such as South America were opening up, and many fans were happy to finally see artists playing in their section of the world after only being able to read about it in newspapers, and magazines.

There are also more people on the planet earth now to go and see concerts.  Unlike today where videos are readily available due to modern technology, back in the 1970’s video camera’s were expensive and could be difficult to get into a venue to film the concert.  The only way to see an artist was to pay for a ticket and go see the artist.

Can you please pass along the source for where you obtained the list?  There’s quite a few asterisk’s on there that had additional information, not shown.  If one Googles’ “List of largest concerts” a completely different list appears.  For the “List of largest concerts” one has to wonder how many of the concert attenders actually paid for a ticket or were they free concerts open to the public.  Attendance is in the millions in some cases.

If one is to consider who is the bigger draw between the Stones and Zeppelin in the 1970’s you would have to dismiss every Stones and Zep concert after December 31st 1979.  Zep officially called it quits on December 4th so that would be the cutoff point, so the Stones appearing on the above list six times is irrelevant, as some of the numbers above are from after December 31st 1979.

There were unfortunate sets of circumstances for Zeppelin that caused concerts to be cancelled.  The Stones certainly can and still draw huge attendance numbers.  If we go just by attendance numbers from the above list, for the 1970’s when both bands were active the Stones come in at number 23 with 93,000.  Certainly, an impressive number from that timeframe.  Can you please let us know if there were any opening acts for that concert?  One was Peter Tosh for that tour.

Zeppelin’s August 13th 1977 was to be at the same venue (JFK Stadium) but had to be cancelled due to the tragic passing of Robert’s son.  The official tickets sold was 95,000 plus for that concert.  The 95,000 is a factual number as I know an individual who was high up the food chain and worked for the Electric Factory who promoted that concert.  In fact, he travelled with the band and saw them five times during the 1977 tour.  There was to be no opening act for the 95,000 fans.  I know for a fact there was not to be an opening act as there was no time for Electric Factory to obtain one.  Most of the unused tickets were returned for refunds, but there’s still several hundred out in the wild.  The last time a refund was asked for a ticket from that cancelled dates was in the early 1980’s.

If we are to go by the list provided above then in fact Zeppelin did have a larger paying single concert than the Stones.  Zep’s was also without an opening act.  Other 1977 dates such as the Silverdome of 76,000 plus, and the Superdome of 80,000 plus are also notable.   Again, Zep was unable to play in front of 80,000 plus due to tragic circumstances.

For 1969 Zeppelin was still starting out.  Were the Stones bigger in 1969?  Sure, they were an established act.  For 1972 and 1975, one would have to get into how many dates were played by each band that year as well as where.  Does one compare just the North American market or other markets?  For North America Zep played 18 dates, while the Stones played 50 so naturally the Stones are going to have higher attendance numbers for the North American market.  That doesn’t mean they were bigger than Zep, and it doesn’t mean Zep were bigger than the Stones.  It just means the Stones played more dates in North America in 1972 than Zep.  For 1975 again, a set of circumstances occurred where Zep was not on the road playing concerts to stadium packed fans.

If you look at 1975 Zeppelin were planning to continue to tour North America and play at the Rose Bowl but the auto accident that involved Robert Plant prevented that date from happening.  Other stadium venues such as Arrowhead stadium were on the itinerary to be played in 1975.  It would’ve been interesting seeing how many tickets would have been sold for the stadium shows, considering Zep wasn’t utilizing an opening act.

Stanlove wrote: "We all have out opinions. But when someone quotes facts that are not accurate then I comment.”

Stanlove also wrote: “The Stones were already established by the early 70s and were on the throne. Zeppelin was trying to get there.”

Isn't that an opinion? 8>)

Both bands did something right as were talking about both of them now after all these years and both bands most likely will never be forgotten as new fans discover their great music every day.

The fact is all the great artists have done something the others haven’t.  The 1970’s were a time period for music most likely never to be seen again.  Thankfully, that time period lives on in officially released product and unofficially release product. 8>)

Forget the numbers and enjoy the music. 8>)

Robert

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10 hours ago, stanlove said:

As for Knebworth. That is another Zeppelin myth.

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/79-Knebworth-festival.html

 

 

Sorry, but wrong. The August 4th gig had around 180,000 - 183,000 in attendance per the analyzed crowd photos of which Peter Grant paid quite a bit to Bell Labs I believe to assess the accurate numbers. The second date had around 80,000 also verified by the same method.

The reasons Bannister went into the red were numerous reasons, mostly because he underestimated ancillary costs which for a festival gig can range quite a bit...just ask Michael Lang (Woodstock 69') about ancillary costs. The fact is Bannister promised Zep X amount to play, they played thus were due the negotiated amount, that is not Zep's fault Bannister did not do his homework.

Everyone agrees both the Stones & Zeppelin were huge draws in the 70's, but again, the Stones used big name opening acts, Zep did not use any opening acts.

Back to topic: It was always my opinion Richards thought he was king shit, its that simple. Since Zep were selling out similar sized venues, since Jimmy was a much, much better player than Richards and the musicianship of the Zep was substantially higher than any of the individual Stones, I believe that is why Richards comes across as he does. It's too bad really because all that aside the Stones are an amazing band that wrote amazing songs and in the end, that is all which matters. You can have the greatest musicians in the biz (Dream Theatre, Yes, Camel, Alter Bridge), but if they can't write iconic songs, or rather songs which do not appeal to a mass audience, they are what they are. 

How about respect to both the Stones & Zeppelin, I know Zeppelin respects the Stones, if there is no reciprocation from the Stones, oh well.

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There is a valid reason why Freddie Bannister would deny Peter Grant's figure. His festival was licensed with the North Herts District Council for a maximum of 100,000 people. By Peter Grant announcing to the press a crowd in excess of that, he ended up having his licence cancelled by the North Herts Council for breach of conditions and was also fined £150. This is why Bannister steadfastly claimed a figure under 100,000. Knebworth went ahead for 1980, but only after Bannister paid a bond of £25,000 to council and made assurances the crowd would not go over 100,000 again.

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14 hours ago, IpMan said:

Sorry, but wrong. The August 4th gig had around 180,000 - 183,000 in attendance per the analyzed crowd photos of which Peter Grant paid quite a bit to Bell Labs I believe to assess the accurate numbers. The second date had around 80,000 also verified by the same method.

The reasons Bannister went into the red were numerous reasons, mostly because he underestimated ancillary costs which for a festival gig can range quite a bit...just ask Michael Lang (Woodstock 69') about ancillary costs. The fact is Bannister promised Zep X amount to play, they played thus were due the negotiated amount, that is not Zep's fault Bannister did not do his homework.

Everyone agrees both the Stones & Zeppelin were huge draws in the 70's, but again, the Stones used big name opening acts, Zep did not use any opening acts.

Back to topic: It was always my opinion Richards thought he was king shit, its that simple. Since Zep were selling out similar sized venues, since Jimmy was a much, much better player than Richards and the musicianship of the Zep was substantially higher than any of the individual Stones, I believe that is why Richards comes across as he does. It's too bad really because all that aside the Stones are an amazing band that wrote amazing songs and in the end, that is all which matters. You can have the greatest musicians in the biz (Dream Theatre, Yes, Camel, Alter Bridge), but if they can't write iconic songs, or rather songs which do not appeal to a mass audience, they are what they are. 

How about respect to both the Stones & Zeppelin, I know Zeppelin respects the Stones, if there is no reciprocation from the Stones, oh well.

Again I have no prob,em with anyone who says both the Stones and Zeppelin were huge in the 70s. When I have responded is when Zeppelin fans say they blew the Stones away at the box office in the 1970s. Not true at all. And it was Zeppelin themselves that started that myth.

 

My opinion on the Stones vs Zeppelin is the Stones were the much better song writers and Zeppelin were better musicians. The Stones in the 70s were drawing record breaking crowds because they were the Stones. They were the group that had all of those great songs and that cast a huge shadow over all of rock and roll. Zeppelin drew big crowds because their playing was so good.   

 

Richards just didn't like Zeppelin and its as simple as that. he started saying that in 1969 when he heard their first album. As for Jagger I saw him list Zeppelin's Rock and Roll as one of his 10 all time favorite songs. The only time i heard him knock them at all was when he said he didn't like ITTOD.

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4 hours ago, stanlove said:

Again I have no prob,em with anyone who says both the Stones and Zeppelin were huge in the 70s. When I have responded is when Zeppelin fans say they blew the Stones away at the box office in the 1970s. Not true at all. And it was Zeppelin themselves that started that myth.

 

My opinion on the Stones vs Zeppelin is the Stones were the much better song writers and Zeppelin were better musicians. The Stones in the 70s were drawing record breaking crowds because they were the Stones. They were the group that had all of those great songs and that cast a huge shadow over all of rock and roll. Zeppelin drew big crowds because their playing was so good.   

 

Richards just didn't like Zeppelin and its as simple as that. he started saying that in 1969 when he heard their first album. As for Jagger I saw him list Zeppelin's Rock and Roll as one of his 10 all time favorite songs. The only time i heard him knock them at all was when he said he didn't like ITTOD.

Can't argue with any of that except for the songwriting but that is only a matter of taste. Also, I agree anyone who says Zep "blew the Stones away at the box office" are delusional. They both drew huge crowds, however I believe, but may be wrong, the biggest live concert draw from 74' - 79' was Elton John. Both Zeppelin & the Stones were big in their own right but Sir Elton was massive in the 70's.

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