ColoradoZephead Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I am surprised nobody has talked about the new HBO series by Jagger and Scorsese. Zeppelin is a large part of the story with actors portraying Plant and Grant, albeit not very well. The entire backstage scene with Grant from Song Remains The Same is played out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebk Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 This has been discussed in 3 or 4 different forums at this point... the TV forum, LZ in unrelated places and...another one Found it - The Rolling Stones thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babysquid Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 2 hours ago, ColoradoZephead said: The entire backstage scene with Grant from Song Remains The Same is played out. In fact they appear to have based their "Grant" character solely on this scene. All he does is shout, swear and smash things in both his scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew r Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Although it,s exciting to see Zeppelin represented in a mainstream tv programme it wasn't well done , Peter grant as a 2D character , Plant with a cockney accent to rival Dick Van Dyke and the band kicking off the fictional concert with Something else by Eddie Cochran ?? did they think that the phrase "Listen to this Eddie! was somehow connected?? Poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Like I said in the other thread, I was surprised to see Zeppelin being such a big part of this premier. The actor who played Grant was a near soundalike, however he needed to be at least a foot or two taller and a couple hundred pounds heavier. When he's in the American Century offices, he's literally the smallest guy in the room. Plant looked the part well enough, but the actor clearly hadn't bothered to even watch three minutes of Plant talking and played him as a generic Brit rocker, provided his knowledge of Brit rockers came from watching Spinal Tap. And I can't see Plant ever even engaging in that conversation in the first place. I did think it was amusing that they had the band playing "Something Else" being that it's a song Zeppelin covered that the show could actually use. Not that they ever kicked off a concert with it, but it seemed a little like an inside joke or something. Overall though, I thought the show itself was pretty weak. For one thing, I just can't accept Ray Romano in a dramatic role. Plus the fact that the main character looked and sounded a bit like Brad Garrett, it's like watching some crazy Everybody Loves Raymond drug flashback episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie29 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Anyone seen this? It debuted 14 Feb on HBO and produced by Mick Jagger and Martin Scorcese. Led Zeppelin are featured. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdAwCLkpgUc&feature=share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross62 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 30 minutes ago, Reggie29 said: Anyone seen this? It debuted 14 Feb on HBO and produced by Mick Jagger and Martin Scorcese. Led Zeppelin are featured. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdAwCLkpgUc&feature=share < This is no reflection on you Reggie but shit that's bad.I could only stomach about 1 minute of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddey Dhoo Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Reggie29 said: Anyone seen this? It debuted 14 Feb on HBO and produced by Mick Jagger and Martin Scorcese. Led Zeppelin are featured. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdAwCLkpgUc&feature=share Is that supposed to be John Bonham with the bandana talking to Robert Plant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 37 minutes ago, Moddey Dhoo said: Is that supposed to be John Bonham with the bandana talking to Robert Plant? I assume so. The shirt is pretty close to what he'd wear in 73. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8rat Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 the one guy kinda looks like bonzo, the guy playing peter grant is too small but he does have the sounds and the look but the dude who is supposed to be percy is horrible. bad accent, voice is way too deep, goofy movements and just overall douchey persona.... they would have been better off getting a female to play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 2 hours ago, sk8rat said: the one guy kinda looks like bonzo, the guy playing peter grant is too small but he does have the sounds and the look but the dude who is supposed to be percy is horrible. bad accent, voice is way too deep, goofy movements and just overall douchey persona.... they would have been better off getting a female to play him. Everything I've read from anyone who had any contact with the band was that Plant was the nice one. But you're right, in the show he came off like a total douche. Obviously I don't know the guy, but I just can't see him bitching at some record company stooge about f-ing the band out of money. He'd be off chasing butterflies or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles J. White Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 21 hours ago, andrew r said: Although it,s exciting to see Zeppelin represented in a mainstream tv programme it wasn't well done , Peter grant as a 2D character , Plant with a cockney accent to rival Dick Van Dyke and the band kicking off the fictional concert with Something else by Eddie Cochran ?? did they think that the phrase "Listen to this Eddie! was somehow connected?? Poor Artistic freedom they say - remember it's meant to be fiction and fun not a docu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 19 hours ago, Reggie29 said: Anyone seen this? It debuted 14 Feb on HBO and produced by Mick Jagger and Martin Scorcese. Led Zeppelin are featured. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdAwCLkpgUc&feature=share Wow, that was BAD. They made Plant look like a complete twat, Bonham like some stupid toddler meandering around, and Grant was just silly. The whole thing came off as some sort of characture. Then, to add insult to injury, they have the band play songs they never played during the 73' tour. BTW, is there any actual fact that the label tried to screw Zeppelin on royalties? I never heard of this and I seriously doubt Steve Weiss would have allowed a label to screw over Zeppelin. To my knowledge Zeppelin & Atlantic had a good relationship and Atlantic never tried to screw with royalties or anything else. I know this is fictionalized but when you combine fact with fiction it is difficult to separate the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I was thinking, the most likely reason the show used Somethin' Else & You Shook Me in the MSG footage was because neither are Zeppelin songs, they are both covers Zep did therefore they would not have to ask the bands permission, and, those version used were not the Zep versions anyway. I figure they knew the band would tell them to sod off once they saw the shitty representation and complete mockery and so they went with the covers. Pretty shrewd and pretty messed up but hey, that's showbiz right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew r Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 9 hours ago, IpMan said: I was thinking, the most likely reason the show used Somethin' Else & You Shook Me in the MSG footage was because neither are Zeppelin songs, they are both covers Zep did therefore they would not have to ask the bands permission, and, those version used were not the Zep versions anyway. I figure they knew the band would tell them to sod off once they saw the shitty representation and complete mockery and so they went with the covers. Pretty shrewd and pretty messed up but hey, that's showbiz right. Quite correct, also consider this is a Jagger/Scorsese production, the only people who will look good in this will be The Stones! That is assuming they appear ,i have a feeling that there is more half assed presentation of Zep yet to come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, andrew r said: Quite correct, also consider this is a Jagger/Scorsese production, the only people who will look good in this will be The Stones! That is assuming they appear ,i have a feeling that there is more half assed presentation of Zep yet to come! I doubt it, the three mins of faux Zep shown is all there will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babysquid Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 20 hours ago, IpMan said: BTW, is there any actual fact that the label tried to screw Zeppelin on royalties? I never heard of this and I seriously doubt Steve Weiss would have allowed a label to screw over Zeppelin. To my knowledge Zeppelin & Atlantic had a good relationship and Atlantic never tried to screw with royalties or anything else. I know this is fictionalized but when you combine fact with fiction it is difficult to separate the two. I think it was American Century records that were trying to screw their royalty rate and as they don't exist I'm pretty sure it didn't happen. I think this show is going to be more about the move in musical direction, from the mid 70's on, from the mega bands of the 60's to punk, disco and the early rumblings of hip hop in the latter part of the decade. I'd imagine it will deal with a record industry in flux as it tries to come to terms with the sea change of musical tastes and fashion. And about how to get away with killing a fat Coke head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 4 hours ago, babysquid said: I think it was American Century records that were trying to screw their royalty rate and as they don't exist I'm pretty sure it didn't happen. I think this show is going to be more about the move in musical direction, from the mid 70's on, from the mega bands of the 60's to punk, disco and the early rumblings of hip hop in the latter part of the decade. I'd imagine it will deal with a record industry in flux as it tries to come to terms with the sea change of musical tastes and fashion. And about how to get away with killing a fat Coke head. Poor Diceman, turn him into a fat parody of himself then kill him off after trying to come out to his buddy. Oh the humiliation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstork Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Of course if any member of the band would have been in that convo with a label exec I'd think it would be Page. And it certainly would not have happened as they were getting onstage! Having said that, it was good fun to include them in the show, even with a horrible Plant and a Peter Grant who looks like he was in a clothes dryer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 7 hours ago, mstork said: a Peter Grant who looks like he was in a clothes dryer! Too funny. What I noticed about this was he actually did have some of G's mannerisms down such as folding his arms in an odd way over his belly. However, when Grant did it it made sense due to his size and the exchange in real life, though heated, made sense and showed Grant as a protective, but not necessarily violent manager. When they had his mini-me doing this it just made him look like a pompous, boorish asshole. It would be like a middle aged balding man playing with and flipping his hair like if he were a 20 something rocker with a thick mane. Just looks stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FavouriteTipple Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 That looked like the English actor, Ian Hart, playing Peter Grant. Hart did a great job playing John Lennon in two early 1990s films. This time he got the voice but not the body. As for the clip of the TV show, hideous generic-looking stuff which looks great. Except for the wigs. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgeholder Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I caught this last night. They need to make up their minds - is it 1973 or is it 1977? You can't have leisure suits and punk rockers in '73! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 23 minutes ago, badgeholder said: I caught this last night. They need to make up their minds - is it 1973 or is it 1977? You can't have leisure suits and punk rockers in '73! I believe they are photo-punk rockers since they keep bringing up the Stooges and Iggy Pop. Either way, the NY proto-punk scene did not even think about beginning until late 74' at CBGB's and no one knew, or gave a shit until late 75' early 76' when the Brits picked it up and ran with it. Though you are right, punk did not hit the scene on a public level until early 77'. I believe Mick and Marty were a bit too "stoned" in the 70's to remember the dates right. The other thing I though was both funny and a bit telling was the character Buck Rogers played by the Diceman. That character was almost a verbatim copy of the drug lord in Boogie Night's that Mr. Big Dick and friends try to rip off. The whole show is feeling like recycled bits of Cadillac Records, Almost Famous, and Boogie Night's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stairway is NOT stolen Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Well that was horrible. Plant was miles off, although Grant was ok. The guy playing Pagey (Not speaking in the scene and only seen for a brief second on stage) Got the moves correct, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 14 hours ago, badgeholder said: I caught this last night. They need to make up their minds - is it 1973 or is it 1977? You can't have leisure suits and punk rockers in '73! Don't forget the early 1960 parts. Also IIRC The New York Dolls were around in 73, they were heavily featured (more than LZ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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