rm2551 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 It is a testament to how they truly are the GOATs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WD52 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 Well Deep Purple In Rock is nothing like Zep and the two guitarists have very different styles, as do the keyboard players (let alone the equipment used). Page's playing owes everything to Bert Jansch, John Renbourn and Davey Graham-Blackmore's is essentially a style and tone all of his own. I don't see Zep as the antecedent to 'Heavy Metal' (whatever that is) but contributors to the development of the 'Rock Music genre/spectrum. Also 'released' date and 'recorded' dates are very different, so be careful with context- not all albums are influenced by what has been released if they were recorded before or at the same time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 2 hours ago, WD52 said: Well Deep Purple In Rock is nothing like Zep and the two guitarists have very different styles, as do the keyboard players (let alone the equipment used). Page's playing owes everything to Bert Jansch, John Renbourn and Davey Graham-Blackmore's is essentially a style and tone all of his own. I don't see Zep as the antecedent to 'Heavy Metal' (whatever that is) but contributors to the development of the 'Rock Music genre/spectrum. Also 'released' date and 'recorded' dates are very different, so be careful with context- not all albums are influenced by what has been released if they were recorded before or at the same time! Page's playing owes everything to Bert Jansch, John Renbourn??!!! - I havent heard anything by Bert Jansch or John Renbourn that sounds like Dazed and Confuse, No quarter, Whole lotta Love, The Song Remains the Same.... in fact most of the Zep catalogue. Page has a massive knowledge of different musicians and styles, and a fantastic grounding from his session days, and pulled on all of it.....hence one of the main ingredients in Zeps success, the sheer variety of techniques and styles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WD52 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Victor said: I havent heard anything by Bert Jansch or John Renbourn that sounds like Dazed and Confuse, No quarter, Whole lotta Love, The Song Remains the Same.... in fact most of the Zep catalogue. A lot of Page's runs and solos owe a great deal to the styles of the three guitarists I've named-and some of Page's solos live are very similar to runs and picking made by those players just amplified and with effects attached. Where Page triumphs is as a song composer, not a soloist-and this only really takes off around Zep III where he shakes off his blues based heritage/stealing bits from other, older songwriters. Page is a songwriting and producing genius, but as a guitar soloist, very derivative of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 23 hours ago, WD52 said: A lot of Page's runs and solos owe a great deal to the styles of the three guitarists I've named-and some of Page's solos live are very similar to runs and picking made by those players just amplified and with effects attached. Where Page triumphs is as a song composer, not a soloist-and this only really takes off around Zep III where he shakes off his blues based heritage/stealing bits from other, older songwriters. Page is a songwriting and producing genius, but as a guitar soloist, very derivative of others. I'd have to disagree.... for me Page's solos are amongst his most notable achievements. I'm a great fan of many great guitarists, from Mclaughlin to Zappa, to Santana to Hackett to Vai to Beck to etc etc....for me no solo's have as much (i dont really know an accurate description) emotion, inflections, musical phrases, direct connection to the composer. If someone asked me for what I thought was the best album for guitar solos, I would go straight for TSRTS with his solos on Dazed & Confused, No Quarter, Stairway, Whole LLove, Heartbreaker (thats ignoring all the bootlegs where I've found better versions) Its his ability to create there and then on stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WD52 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Victor said: I'd have to disagree Which is what makes appreciation of a group so interesting! I prefer his studio work and arrangements (despite my 250+ bootlegs!). I like his live guitar tone up to 1971 and then it starts getting very thin and odd by the 1977 live shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 16 hours ago, WD52 said: Which is what makes appreciation of a group so interesting! I prefer his studio work and arrangements (despite my 250+ bootlegs!). I like his live guitar tone up to 1971 and then it starts getting very thin and odd by the 1977 live shows. Have you got favourite bootlegs? There seem to be one or two sites that have so many bootlegs but I find I have to treat each one as a new album and listen to it repeatedly to get to know it, so I'm still looking for ones that are really worth putting the time in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WD52 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Victor said: Have you got favourite bootlegs? I like Requiem and Praying Silently for Jimmy 1970, the Japanese shows from 1972 on the Overture box set, the Australia/New Zealand 72 stuff on Thunder Downunder, Snow Jobs and Deux Ex Machina 1975, The Deep Throat box 75, Earl's Court 24th and 25th, any of the Forum shows 1977. There's also a 'Black Dog on the Road' paired box set that contains some great stuff from 1971. I tend to listen to songs rather than entire bootlegs (though I did listen to the 75 Tour in order during lockdown) for example virtually any version of No Quarter is fine by me, also Dancing Days, Ten Years Gone, Tangerine, Achilles Last Stand, Misty Mountain Hop, Over the Hills and most versions of Dazed and Confused. I tend to avoid Moby Dick, In My Time of Dying, Sick Again and Whole Lotta Love. Edited September 8, 2020 by WD52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 15 hours ago, WD52 said: I like Requiem and Praying Silently for Jimmy 1970, the Japanese shows from 1972 on the Overture box set, the Australia/New Zealand 72 stuff on Thunder Downunder, Snow Jobs and Deux Ex Machina 1975, The Deep Throat box 75, Earl's Court 24th and 25th, any of the Forum shows 1977. There's also a 'Black Dog on the Road' paired box set that contains some great stuff from 1971. I tend to listen to songs rather than entire bootlegs (though I did listen to the 75 Tour in order during lockdown) for example virtually any version of No Quarter is fine by me, also Dancing Days, Ten Years Gone, Tangerine, Achilles Last Stand, Misty Mountain Hop, Over the Hills and most versions of Dazed and Confused. I tend to avoid Moby Dick, In My Time of Dying, Sick Again and Whole Lotta Love. Thats great thanks! I'll have to look those up. I've been downloading some, but as soon as you play you find that some are almost unplayable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WD52 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Victor said: Thats great thanks! I'll have to look those up You need the Luis Rey book-I use it as my stock control book to evaluate sound quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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