manderlyh Posted January 30, 2008 Author Share Posted January 30, 2008 Some of my favorite people are perverts! Hiya, Hermit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyMerkin Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Don't want to start a new thread for this, so here's Random House's list of 100 best modern novels in English language: (I've read the ones in bold) ULYSSES by James Joyce THE GREAT GATSBY by F. Scott Fitzgerald A PORTRAIT OF THE ARTIST AS A YOUNG MAN by James Joyce LOLITA by Vladimir Nabokov BRAVE NEW WORLD by Aldous Huxley THE SOUND AND THE FURY by William Faulkner CATCH-22 DARKNESS AT NOON by Arthur Koestler SONS AND LOVERS by D.H. Lawrence THE GRAPES OF WRATH by John Steinbeck UNDER THE VOLCANO by Malcolm Lowry THE WAY OF ALL FLESH by Samuel Butler 1984 by George Orwell I, CLAUDIUS by Robert Graves TO THE LIGHTHOUSE by Virginia Woolf AN AMERICAN TRAGEDY by Theodore Dreiser THE HEART IS A LONELY HUNTER by Carson McCullers SLAUGHTERHOUSE-FIVE by Kurt Vonnegut INVISIBLE MAN by Ralph Ellison NATIVE SON by Richard Wright HENDERSON THE RAIN KING by Saul Bellow APPOINTMENT IN SAMARRA by John O'Hara U.S.A. (trilogy) by John Dos Passos WINESBURG, OHIO by Sherwood Anderson A PASSAGE TO INDIA by E.M. Forster THE WINGS OF THE DOVE by Henry James THE AMBASSADORS by Henry James TENDER IS THE NIGHT by F. Scott Fitzgerald THE STUDS LONIGAN TRILOGY by James T. Farrell THE GOOD SOLDIER by Ford Madox Ford ANIMAL FARM by George Orwell THE GOLDEN BOWL by Henry James SISTER CARRIE by Theodore Dreiser A HANDFUL OF DUST by Evelyn Waugh AS I LAY DYING by William Faulkner ALL THE KING'S MEN by Robert Penn Warren THE BRIDGE OF SAN LUIS REY by Thornton Wilder HOWARDS END by E.M. Forster GO TELL IT ON THE MOUNTAIN by James Baldwin THE HEART OF THE MATTER by Graham Greene LORD OF THE FLIES by William Golding DELIVERANCE by James Dickey A DANCE TO THE MUSIC OF TIME (series) by Anthony Powell POINT COUNTER POINT by Aldous Huxley THE SUN ALSO RISES by Ernest Hemingway THE SECRET AGENT by Joseph Conrad NOSTROMO by Joseph Conrad THE RAINBOW by D.H. Lawrence WOMEN IN LOVE by D.H. Lawrence TROPIC OF CANCER by Henry Miller THE NAKED AND THE DEAD by Norman Mailer PORTNOY'S COMPLAINT by Philip Roth PALE FIRE by Vladimir Nabokov LIGHT IN AUGUST by William Faulkner ON THE ROAD by Jack Kerouac THE MALTESE FALCON by Dashiell Hammett PARADE'S END by Ford Madox Ford THE AGE OF INNOCENCE by Edith Wharton ZULEIKA DOBSON by Max Beerbohm THE MOVIEGOER by Walker Percy DEATH COMES FOR THE ARCHBISHOP by Willa Cather FROM HERE TO ETERNITY by James Jones THE WAPSHOT CHRONICLES by John Cheever THE CATCHER IN THE RYE by J.D. Salinger A CLOCKWORK ORANGE by Anthony Burgess OF HUMAN BONDAGE by W. Somerset Maugham HEART OF DARKNESS by Joseph Conrad MAIN STREET by Sinclair Lewis THE HOUSE OF MIRTH by Edith Wharton THE ALEXANDRIA QUARTET by Lawrence Durell A HIGH WIND IN JAMAICA by Richard Hughes A HOUSE FOR MR BISWAS by V.S. Naipaul THE DAY OF THE LOCUST by Nathanael West A FAREWELL TO ARMS by Ernest Hemingway SCOOP by Evelyn Waugh THE PRIME OF MISS JEAN BRODIE by Muriel Spark FINNEGANS WAKE by James Joyce (well, I tried... ) KIM by Rudyard Kipling A ROOM WITH A VIEW by E.M. Forster BRIDESHEAD REVISITED by Evelyn Waugh THE ADVENTURES OF AUGIE MARCH by Saul Bellow ANGLE OF REPOSE by Wallace Stegner A BEND IN THE RIVER by V.S. Naipaul THE DEATH OF THE HEART by Elizabeth Bowen LORD JIM by Joseph Conrad RAGTIME by E.L. Doctorow THE OLD WIVES' TALE by Arnold Bennett THE CALL OF THE WILD by Jack London LOVING by Henry Green MIDNIGHT'S CHILDREN by Salman Rushdie TOBACCO ROAD by Erskine Caldwell IRONWEED by William Kennedy THE MAGUS by John Fowles WIDE SARGASSO SEA by Jean Rhys UNDER THE NET by Iris Murdoch SOPHIE'S CHOICE by William Styron THE SHELTERING SKY by Paul Bowles THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE by James M. Cain THE GINGER MAN by J.P. Donleavy THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS by Booth Tarkington Oh well... I might not have actually read some of them but....eh...watched them...like... And no Graham Green??? No A.S. Byatt? And no Stephen Fry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Some of my favorite people are perverts! Hiya, Hermit! Hiya Shugah!! Hey, wait a minute! are you suggesting.. nahhh,.. you're just pullin my ling um, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evster2012 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Sweet nancy was so fancy To get into her pantry Had to be the aristocracy The members that she toyed with At her city club Were something in diplomacy So we put her on the hit list Of a common cunning linguist A master of many tongues And now she eases gently From her austin to her bentley Suddenly she feels so young Deep Purple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manderlyh Posted January 30, 2008 Author Share Posted January 30, 2008 Random House's list of 100 best modern novels in English language: (I've read the ones in bold) ULYSSES by James Joyce THE GREAT GATSBY by F. Scott Fitzgerald A PORTRAIT OF THE ARTIST AS A YOUNG MAN by James Joyce LOLITA by Vladimir Nabokov BRAVE NEW WORLD by Aldous Huxley THE SOUND AND THE FURY by William Faulkner CATCH-22 DARKNESS AT NOON by Arthur Koestler SONS AND LOVERS by D.H. Lawrence THE GRAPES OF WRATH by John Steinbeck UNDER THE VOLCANO by Malcolm Lowry THE WAY OF ALL FLESH by Samuel Butler 1984 by George Orwell I, CLAUDIUS by Robert Graves TO THE LIGHTHOUSE by Virginia Woolf AN AMERICAN TRAGEDY by Theodore Dreiser THE HEART IS A LONELY HUNTER by Carson McCullers SLAUGHTERHOUSE-FIVE by Kurt Vonnegut INVISIBLE MAN by Ralph Ellison NATIVE SON by Richard Wright HENDERSON THE RAIN KING by Saul Bellow APPOINTMENT IN SAMARRA by John O'Hara U.S.A. (trilogy) by John Dos Passos (parts of it anyway) WINESBURG, OHIO by Sherwood Anderson A PASSAGE TO INDIA by E.M. Forster THE WINGS OF THE DOVE by Henry James THE AMBASSADORS by Henry James TENDER IS THE NIGHT by F. Scott Fitzgerald THE STUDS LONIGAN TRILOGY by James T. Farrell THE GOOD SOLDIER by Ford Madox Ford ANIMAL FARM by George Orwell THE GOLDEN BOWL by Henry James SISTER CARRIE by Theodore Dreiser A HANDFUL OF DUST by Evelyn Waugh AS I LAY DYING by William Faulkner ALL THE KING'S MEN by Robert Penn Warren THE BRIDGE OF SAN LUIS REY by Thornton Wilder HOWARDS END by E.M. Forster GO TELL IT ON THE MOUNTAIN by James Baldwin THE HEART OF THE MATTER by Graham Greene LORD OF THE FLIES by William Golding DELIVERANCE by James Dickey A DANCE TO THE MUSIC OF TIME (series) by Anthony Powell POINT COUNTER POINT by Aldous Huxley THE SUN ALSO RISES by Ernest Hemingway THE SECRET AGENT by Joseph Conrad NOSTROMO by Joseph Conrad THE RAINBOW by D.H. Lawrence WOMEN IN LOVE by D.H. Lawrence TROPIC OF CANCER by Henry Miller THE NAKED AND THE DEAD by Norman Mailer PORTNOY'S COMPLAINT by Philip Roth PALE FIRE by Vladimir Nabokov LIGHT IN AUGUST by William Faulkner ON THE ROAD by Jack Kerouac THE MALTESE FALCON by Dashiell Hammett PARADE'S END by Ford Madox Ford THE AGE OF INNOCENCE by Edith Wharton ZULEIKA DOBSON by Max Beerbohm THE MOVIEGOER by Walker Percy DEATH COMES FOR THE ARCHBISHOP by Willa Cather FROM HERE TO ETERNITY by James Jones THE WAPSHOT CHRONICLES by John Cheever THE CATCHER IN THE RYE by J.D. Salinger A CLOCKWORK ORANGE by Anthony Burgess OF HUMAN BONDAGE by W. Somerset Maugham HEART OF DARKNESS by Joseph Conrad MAIN STREET by Sinclair Lewis THE HOUSE OF MIRTH by Edith Wharton (and I hated it...) THE ALEXANDRIA QUARTET by Lawrence Durell A HIGH WIND IN JAMAICA by Richard Hughes A HOUSE FOR MR BISWAS by V.S. Naipaul THE DAY OF THE LOCUST by Nathanael West A FAREWELL TO ARMS by Ernest Hemingway SCOOP by Evelyn Waugh THE PRIME OF MISS JEAN BRODIE by Muriel Spark FINNEGANS WAKE by James Joyce KIM by Rudyard Kipling A ROOM WITH A VIEW by E.M. Forster BRIDESHEAD REVISITED by Evelyn Waugh THE ADVENTURES OF AUGIE MARCH by Saul Bellow ANGLE OF REPOSE by Wallace Stegner A BEND IN THE RIVER by V.S. Naipaul THE DEATH OF THE HEART by Elizabeth Bowen LORD JIM by Joseph Conrad RAGTIME by E.L. Doctorow THE OLD WIVES' TALE by Arnold Bennett THE CALL OF THE WILD by Jack London LOVING by Henry Green MIDNIGHT'S CHILDREN by Salman Rushdie TOBACCO ROAD by Erskine Caldwell IRONWEED by William Kennedy THE MAGUS by John Fowles WIDE SARGASSO SEA by Jean Rhys UNDER THE NET by Iris Murdoch SOPHIE'S CHOICE by William Styron THE SHELTERING SKY by Paul Bowles THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE by James M. Cain THE GINGER MAN by J.P. Donleavy THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS by Booth Tarkington Crap. I haven't read a LOT of them. I've read a lot of books and short stories by authors on the list, so I bolded them. LOL Still doesn't look bolded enough for an English teacher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manderlyh Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 Aesthetics Felix Pollak There are such beautiful exotic words in the dictionary. euphonic songs that taste good in the mouth—salmonella, glaucoma, catatonia, ataxia, words like the names of legendary heroines or goddesses --Acne, Hysterectomy, Emphysema, Peritonitis, or thunderous appellations reminiscent of old warriors and lovers—Tetanus, Staphylococcus, Stupor, Cyanide, Carbuncle— it is a joy like savoring the hues & abstract shapes in the medical atlas—those green gangrenes and scarlet carcinomas, the intricate pink & silver patterns of psoriasis like islands on a yellow sea of skin, Rubenesque hernias or the Seurat-like pointillisms of atherosclerosis, not to speak of the Japanese landscapes drawn by cirrhosis of the liver, and the sculptures created by certain amputations, rivaling even the exsquisite armstumps of the Venus of Milo I had to edit it to take out the line numbers because this reply box doesn't know what a tab is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manderlyh Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 Soo....I'm reading this article that explains this hypothesis called Whiteside Hypothesis. It's very interesting. This woman studied dolphins and thought that dolphins use their sound to actually create visual images of whatever they're communicating about. "If my key assumption is true, a dolphin would be able to percieve an object, then would be able to tell another dolphin about that object, not with a symbolic word, but an actual sound picture of that object. To use a rough analogy, it would be like your looking at a tree and then, rather than using the word 'tree,' to tell me what you had seen, you would be able to project a detailed visual picture of that particular tree to me.....dolphin language based on morphemes of image....roughly in the way that picture-writing evolved into various systems of hieroglyphics." (from "Collaboration" by Mark C. Jarvis--from the book From Mind to Mind: Tales of Communication from Analog, Stanley Schmidt, ed.) Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragster Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Hey you guys! This thread had better not get pulled! I'm giving my sternest teacher look right now! I'm also using my sternest teacher voice! Hah...a colleague??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragster Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Sorry, wrong thread!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I just read the list of 100 best books, and I'm so ashamed at showing my age, in that the only ones I hadn't read were Loving by Henry Green and The Death of the Heart by Elizabeth Bowen, both of which (books) I never heard of. Many of the books I read back at the dawn of time and remember nothing about, mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manderlyh Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 ^Good! I've been scared that even though I'm certified to teach English that no one would hire me b/c of my lack of "100 Top Books" read. I'm sure that you've got your own "Top 100 Books" that you've read. I know I've read 100 good books... I actually thought about printing the list up and reading some of them because I was so ashamed. ROFL Hah...a colleague??! Sorta, I guess. I'm a student teacher. I've got this one last semester of coursework, then I student teach, BUT I've been taking grad courses, so I'm the biggest super-senior-confused student you'll ever meet. My school requires 3 semesters of internships--the final one is the full-blown student teaching. I've already done 3X more in-classroom hours than required though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Don't want to start a new thread for this, so here's Random House's list of 100 best modern novels in English language: Where the heck is "Moby Dick?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Manders wrote: ... What makes a word or a morpheme something that is NOT arbitrary? Why is a house called a house? Why is a dog house called a dog house? History? Shared human experience? <--- my best shot. Hermit then wrote: Rest assured, I do not posit the following arbitrarily. The answer to your questions lies in the answer to the question Why is a dog called a dog? Chew on that bone, cunning linguist. Brilliant! Wow. (PS, Dog is love.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Soo....I'm reading this article that explains this hypothesis called Whiteside Hypothesis. It's very interesting. This woman studied dolphins and thought that dolphins use their sound to actually create visual images of whatever they're communicating about. "If my key assumption is true, a dolphin would be able to percieve an object, then would be able to tell another dolphin about that object, not with a symbolic word, but an actual sound picture of that object. To use a rough analogy, it would be like your looking at a tree and then, rather than using the word 'tree,' to tell me what you had seen, you would be able to project a detailed visual picture of that particular tree to me.....dolphin language based on morphemes of image....roughly in the way that picture-writing evolved into various systems of hieroglyphics." (from "Collaboration" by Mark C. Jarvis--from the book From Mind to Mind: Tales of Communication from Analog, Stanley Schmidt, ed.) Wow! That is so cool! There's a woman named Temple Grandin who is autistic, who has a PhD in Animal Science. She desgins humane restraining systems (and slaugher houses) (http://www.grandin.com/). She thinks in pictures, which she believes is how animals think, too, since they don't talk in "language," and certainly don't have written words. Dr. Grandin has written some really cool books about this, one is called "Animals in Translation." I also have a friend who is an animal communicator (http://www.taesaintejohn.com/), and that's how she communicates with animals. They send her mental pictures, and she translates them for their owners. I was a complete skeptic when I met this woman. Then she "talked" to my mare, who I've had for 17 years. Even though I had never met Tae, she stood there with my horse Alayna and told me incidents from my life from the whole time I've had her, including how concerned Alayna had been for me during some rough patches! I couldn't stop crying for hours after, having come to realize how much awareness animals have that I'd ever dreamed of. Changed my entire perspective of the world, including what communication is. Words get in the way, sometimes. (Edited to remove stupid question...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manderlyh Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 BTW--I have a pdf file of that article if anyone is interested. Just PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattmc1973 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Are you guys familiar with Daniel Tammet? Aka "Brain Man". He's a high-functioning autistic from Britain. In fact, the first time I saw him on TV, they didn't mention he was autistic right away, and I had no idea. He's very well spoken and thoughtful, and you'd never know there was anything wrong. Anyway, he's an extreme rarity (probably the only one in the world) who is brilliant like Rain Man, but high-functioning enough to be able to describe HOW he thinks, and the thought processes he uses. Most austistic savants are too handicapped to be able to give any real insight to how they think, but Tammet can. Mandy, your story about dolphins made me think of Daniel Tammet. He says he "sees" numbers in his head in the form of shapes and colors. Each number has a distinct shape and color. And when you give him two numbers to multiply or ask him the square root, they form a new shape and color, and he sees the answer instantly. And to test him, they gave him clay and asked him to use the clay to form what a particular number looks like to him. Then the next day, they asked him to do it again with different numbers, but gave him one of the same numbers as the day before, to see if he would form the same shape for the same number, and he did. And he accepted a challenge to see if he could go to Iceland, and learn the Icelandic language in 7 days, then go on a talk show and conduct an interview in Icelandic. He had a tutor who said there was no way he could do it, because Icelandic is known to be one of the hardest languages to learn, especially for an English speaker because there are so many sounds and letters that are completely different. And he was able to do it, it was amazing. Daniel Tammet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Are you guys familiar with Daniel Tammet? Aka "Brain Man". He's a high-functioning autistic from Britain. In fact, the first time I saw him on TV, they didn't mention he was autistic right away, and I had no idea. He's very well spoken and thoughtful, and you'd never know there was anything wrong. Anyway, he's an extreme rarity (probably the only one in the world) who is brilliant like Rain Man, but high-functioning enough to be able to describe HOW he thinks, and the thought processes he uses. Most austistic savants are too handicapped to be able to give any real insight to how they think, but Tammet can. Mandy, your story about dolphins made me think of Daniel Tammet. He says he "sees" numbers in his head in the form of shapes and colors. Each number has a distinct shape and color. And when you give him two numbers to multiply or ask him the square root, they form a new shape and color, and he sees the answer instantly. And to test him, they gave him clay and asked him to use the clay to form what a particular number looks like to him. Then the next day, they asked him to do it again with different numbers, but gave him one of the same numbers as the day before, to see if he would form the same shape for the same number, and he did. And he accepted a challenge to see if he could go to Iceland, and learn the Icelandic language in 7 days, then go on a talk show and conduct an interview in Icelandic. He had a tutor who said there was no way he could do it, because Icelandic is known to be one of the hardest languages to learn, especially for an English speaker because there are so many sounds and letters that are completely different. And he was able to do it, it was amazing. Daniel Tammet Wow, that's really cool. Funny to think of autism as just being a different way of seeing things, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattmc1973 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 His parents say he was normal when he was little, then he had a really bad seizure, and that was when his abilities bloomed. So scientists have taken an interest in him, wondering if everyone has the capacity for genius that he does, and it just takes something to "unlock" it... Here he is on David Letterman, talking about how he set the record for reciting Pi to 22,000 decimal places Link And here's a 6 minute video about the challenge to learn Icelandic in 1 week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manderlyh Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 He recited π to 22,000 decimal places? I don't think I'd be able to do that if I devoted my entire life to it. I know that π is 3.14...that's all if need to know...that and π(r2) is an equation for something. The area of a circle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzfan715 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Pi is 3.14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manderlyh Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 Pi is 3.14. That's what I meant. For real. Those are the only decimal places I'm sure of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzfan715 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I don't know the next one. Language part, we read Edgar Allan Poe's The Cask of Amontillado in English/Lit. and 5 people in my entire class understood it. So 1 out of every 20 people understood it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manderlyh Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 π = 3.14159265358979323846… I looked it up on wiki. Now..no more language of math. I'm not fluent in that. I've read the Cask of blablblaahhh... I don't remember it much. I know I don't think I really understood it either. Nor do I think we actually discussed it in class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzfan715 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I liked it, and understood it. I like Poe, I think he's brilliant. One of my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manderlyh Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 I like Poe too, but I don't remember what the story was about. ...and I don't think I really read it deep enough to make my own meaning. I read it last spring semester, when I was stupid enough to take 16 literature credits all at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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