Christopher Lees Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I noticed the solo on Celebration Day from TSRTS is different or edited from how it was on tape years ago, and the cassette version was much better. I was going through some old guitar magazines and I came across a transcription of Celebration Day Live. I couldn't believe it. When reading the solo, I knew it was missing parts. With all the remasters and reissues and all that, I'm totally lost. Can someone give me the skinny on what the deal is with this? I can't even search for it on youtube as it just returns results relate to all kinds of live Celebration Days or it just brings me the "modern" version, with the edited solo. What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woz70 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 ..... and down the rabbit hole you go. Here's a good place to start:http://www.thegardentapes.co.uk/tgt.html If you do a search on this forum for TSRTS you will have more answers than you will ever need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paganini Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 In a nutshell the reissued 2007 version of TSRTS was butchered by the producer Kevin Shirley (and Page) so that amongst other things the original solo from NQ is edited as is the original second solo on CD. Dont’t ask why...there is no sensible answer ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmtomh Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Yes, the original Celebration Day outro solo is on all the original, 9-track versions of the album (CD, LP, cassette, etc.). The 2007 expanded/redone version swaps in a different outro solo on that song, taken from one of the other two nights of the band's three-night run from which the concert album audio was produced. The new 2018 remaster has the identical audio edits/content to the 2007. One of the reasons Celebration Day could have such a major, wholesale change in its content is that most of the song doesn't appear in the original movie - so except for the very beginning of the song, Page and his collaborators have been free to do whatever they want with the audio. And yes, the original solo is better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 You are just discovering this now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Lees Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 On 1/13/2019 at 9:14 PM, Strider said: You are just discovering this now? 30 years ago I noticed the CD version was different from the movie version, but what I'm discovering now is that there and even CD versions that differ. A. The original movie version B. The original tape version C. This new version that I'm not sure where it came from, but the solo was transcribed in a guitar mag about 10 years ago. In my opinion, the original cassette version of Celebration Day has by far the best solo. I'm just not sure where this other version comes from, and why guitar mag transcribed that one. Also, when I go to youtube I can't find the original tape version solo anywhere, except for this guy playing a guitar cover of the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Lees Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 On 1/13/2019 at 6:24 PM, tmtomh said: Yes, the original Celebration Day outro solo is on all the original, 9-track versions of the album (CD, LP, cassette, etc.). The 2007 expanded/redone version swaps in a different outro solo on that song, taken from one of the other two nights of the band's three-night run from which the concert album audio was produced. The new 2018 remaster has the identical audio edits/content to the 2007. One of the reasons Celebration Day could have such a major, wholesale change in its content is that most of the song doesn't appear in the original movie - so except for the very beginning of the song, Page and his collaborators have been free to do whatever they want with the audio. And yes, the original solo is better! Thanks for laying this out! The old solo is way better. I don't know what Jimmy was smoking when he decided to substitute the B version when the A+ version was, well, the A+ version! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolo1974 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Check out the Heywood (fan) remaster/version of this show. Includes all the extra tracks that were not included in the original release, but also the original uncut solos from the first LP/cassette release. I don’t listen to any other version of this show. This is by far the best and it was put together by a fan. I can be of assistance if you PM me. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 The original version is amazing as It has some minor A scales inserted here and there, and because of other factors the solo doesn't sound like any other usual "classic rock" blowout in the key of A major..Despite all the possible cutting and pasting, there are many live shows from 73' that have Jimmy playing amazing solos on CD. I like many others wonder, what the f..k happend here ? And NQ as well. There are many fans out there who consider the originally released NQ as having possibly Jimmy's best solo ever. And the 2nd solo to CD as one of Jimmy's most ass-kicking solos ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Lees Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 56 minutes ago, Mithril46 said: The original version is amazing as It has some minor A scales inserted here and there, and because of other factors the solo doesn't sound like any other usual "classic rock" blowout in the key of A major..Despite all the possible cutting and pasting, there are many live shows from 73' that have Jimmy playing amazing solos on CD. I like many others wonder, what the f..k happend here ? And NQ as well. There are many fans out there who consider the originally released NQ as having possibly Jimmy's best solo ever. And the 2nd solo to CD as one of Jimmy's most ass-kicking solos ever. I am one of those who think the original cassette version (the full version that is) solo on NQ is one of his very best! I haven't found another live NQ solo that's better than that one. It's so clean, dark, moody, soulful, fluid and coherent. It's so friggen powerful. What an atmosphere it helps to convey. It's full of contrasts of all different kinds too. As far as the CD solo goes it's a terrific mix of major and minor pentatonic in A, as you said. I think the original cassette version has more balanced phrasing and the solo is built up to a more coherent climax. It' just flows so well. The one we are stuck with now seems to truncated and incomplete, and even ad hoc, if I can put it that way. The cassette version's has quite a bit of the phrasing built around the old call and response idea, and I think it makes a powerful statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Yeah, the best way to put the original cassette version of the live CD solo is a lot of "call and response ", but hardly the typical Bues way. The thing is, even if Jimmy was just playing average with Zep, he knew so many techniques and different approaches to guitar playing that his playing was interesting no matter what. Although 77'-80' live Jimmy's declining playing skills were not conducive to certain things he may have played earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Phone Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I’m assuming the cassette version is not different than the version on the original 1976 LP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porgie66 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, White Phone said: I’m assuming the cassette version is not different than the version on the original 1976 LP? Right. Wouldn't that just be a copy of the LP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Only Way To Fly Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I'm going to tape the 2007 NQ CD version to a 1976 vintage cassette and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paganini Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 The cassette version and LP 76 versions are surely the same ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hummingbird69 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Could it be that Jimmy wanted to give us 3 solos for that song and the only way to do it was to alter future releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Lees Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, hummingbird69 said: Could it be that Jimmy wanted to give us 3 solos for that song and the only way to do it was to alter future releases? That's the only thing I could come up with, but it's a shame the other solos are so mediocre while the original solo is A+ quintessential Page shredding in all its glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmtomh Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 7:14 PM, Xolo1974 said: Check out the Heywood (fan) remaster/version of this show. Includes all the extra tracks that were not included in the original release, but also the original uncut solos from the first LP/cassette release. I don’t listen to any other version of this show. This is by far the best and it was put together by a fan. I can be of assistance if you PM me. Neil Yes, the Heywood version is fantastic and my go-to as well. He put in the proper Celebration Day solo, uses the original No Quarter with the crucial 2-1/2 minutes that were cut from the 2007 version, creates a never-before-done 18-minute version of Whole Lotta Love by adding in stuff from the DVD menus, and adds on a soundboard-sourced version of the final organ solo-Thank You encore played on the final night of the three-night run. It's fantastic. RE the 1976 cassette and LP, yes, they have the identical tracks and edits, as do all LP, cassette and CD versions that came out prior to the 2007 re-do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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