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Does anyone have any controversial opinions about Zep?

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On ‎2‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 2:37 PM, gibsonfan159 said:

I don't think it was a case of anything being over demanding. It was more that songs like TYG sounded thin without some rhythm guitar. Although I don't think Jones'contribution made a difference anyway. So my controversial opinion is that Jones should've tossed that three necked turkey (which looked ridiculous anyway) in the trash and just provided Page with a bass line instead.

Kinda difficult for one guitarist to play six guitar parts, some in different tunings, simultaneously. IMO to sound right they needed a co-lead situation / multi-instrumentalist to support both Page & Jones. Of course the Goldilocks situation would have had old Robert learn to at least play a decent rhythm guitar to fill out the sound as well. A perfect example of a relatively simple song which just never sounded right live was Sick Again. s soon as Jimmy goes into the solo the song sounds thin as hell without the rhythm guitar. I agree with that stupid three necked guitar, plus it sounded like shit compared to the 12 string Ovation he used on the first leg of the tour. It would be one thing if he used two necks for one song but all the video I have seen where Jones uses the three necked monster, he only plays one neck during a single song. I mean how hard is it to put a guitar down and pick up another between songs?

It really made a difference hearing those Zep tunes with Porl (now Pearl) Thompson playing rhythm / co-lead, especially TSRTS. Big difference. Same with the Crowes.

I believe we may be on the same "page" with this one :D

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Immigrant song is the most poorly produced song in their catalog. It sounds dull and the amount of tape hiss at the beginning of the song is awful.

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4 minutes ago, tyler19 said:

Immigrant song is the most poorly produced song in their catalog. It sounds dull and the amount of tape hiss at the beginning of the song is awful.

I think the hiss at the start is cool and the sound is something special too, I just wish Robert would articulate the words more precisely, he does it on all the other songs on the album pretty much. I guess it makes the song more mysterious though.

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4 minutes ago, SamoKodela said:

I think the hiss at the start is cool and the sound is something special too, I just wish Robert would articulate the words more precisely, he does it on all the other songs on the album pretty much. I guess it makes the song more mysterious though.

The tape hiss makes me think the song was bounced too many times in its creation and this is the cause of the dullness as well.

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...maybe the hiss is due to re-using a tape....he's famous for doing that and getting bleed through on some songs.

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12 minutes ago, tyler19 said:

The tape hiss makes me think the song was bounced too many times in its creation and this is the cause of the dullness as well.

Bounced in a viking ship, yeah!!!

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The hiss at the beginning of Immigrant Song always sounded deliberate to me. Much like the little bit of guitar chugging at the beginning of Black Dog, the Plant grunt before Whole Lotta Love kicks in, or the studio chatter before Friends. It’s not like the whole song is loaded with hiss. Immigrant Song does start out very thin though because John Paul Jones’ Bass comes in after a bit. 

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On 2/12/2019 at 7:49 PM, the chase said:

The hiss at the beginning of Immigrant Song always sounded deliberate to me. Much like the little bit of guitar chugging at the beginning of Black Dog, the Plant grunt before Whole Lotta Love kicks in, or the studio chatter before Friends. It’s not like the whole song is loaded with hiss. Immigrant Song does start out very thin though because John Paul Jones’ Bass comes in after a bit. 

Agreed. Those little “intros” were obviously deliberate and interesting...unlike other bands...along with The Ocean, Black Country Woman, and others. 

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