To Leave A Tip or Not to Leave a Tip

[1975NQ]

7 minutes ago, Stryder1978 said:

"So, by that logic a kid paying his way through school..." Yep. that's what I did!

And I hate to tell you, but if a job is only paying you "$2.00 an hour"...that my friend is a shit job!

And yes, you are correct..we will have to agree to disagree.  It is nice to see a discussion about a topic with two people on polar ends that can be handled in a civil manner.  For that, I thank you!

Likewise! Totally agree, it's so important to be able to talk to people you disagree with in a respectful way.  🤞

[BobDobbs]

5 hours ago, chillumpuffer said:

Utter Bollocks. Please can you explain as to where that comes from? In the UK the hospitality industry is notoriously low paid. They rely on tips and whilst some bills have a "discretionary" 10-15% "service charge", you don't have to pay it. We always leave a 10% tip in a restaurant and in a bar (pub) the saying "one for yourself" is generally used. The barman would stick a quid or so in a jar.

Spain and Portugal tipping is unheard of by the locals and not expected to be done by tourists.

Just curious, what is the average pay rate for servers in the UK? I bet it is higher than 1.57 pounds which is what is paid in the US to servers. Now I must admit it has been over 20 years since I last visited the UK and I did tip but every time I did the server said it was not necessary but appreciated. In the US if you don't tip there is a good possibility your server will follow you out to the parking lot. I remember one time in Paris I went to tip the waiter and he politely told me doing so in France was considered an insult. Made sense as my hamburger and frites cost me $22 and that was in 1998.

[chillumpuffer]

Paris . Even a coffee will set you back 20 euros. Robbing twats. A bit like London albeit it's not that much of a shit hole as Londonstan is.

London is the UK capital of rip off. The mugs who spend 30 quid on a plate of fried potatoes or 150 for a steak are at the mercy for constant  piss taking by us Northerners. They moan like fuck that the cost of living is making it impossible to live on 50 grand a year because their rent is 2500 a month, and they can't get on the property ladder because a 1 bedroomed broom cupboard in "West London" is a million notes. Idiots.  We have a scheme called - and yes this is true, "Levelling up" that the Tories have come up with. It's to redress the balance, the years of neglect that these tossers have implemented on everywhere except London and The South East. e.g. Spend on transport per head in London £903. The North? £300. They send ministers to "poor" areas, mainly north of London or Wales, to spin some bollocks of how they are going to spend spend spend !! No one believes them as they are from London !

However back on topic, unscrupulous bosses try and pay less or in cash so they can hire and fire at will. Some bosses actually keep the tips for themselves (generally wealthy Chefs who fucking hate charity - Gordan Ramsey et al). If you are fortunate enough to work for a good boss then tips are collected and shared out by the waiting staff at the end of the night. I mean get this: This is a "celebrity" chef from the UK who is, apparently, not taking the piss and pays his staff minimum wage:

One of Tom Kerridge's restaurants serves Britain’s most expensive fish and chips , costing an eye-watering £32.50.

Served with just seven chips, delicately sprinkled with herb garnish and accompanied by chunky tartare, pease pudding and curry sauce, this fish and chip meal is now served at the five-star Corinthia hotel in London. . AND PEOPLE PAY IT

 

Here is the "official" table of the minimum wage that is legally paid to employees.

National Living Wage	£9.50
21-22 Year Old Rate	£9.18
18-20 Year Old Rate	£6.83
16-17 Year Old Rate	£4.81

Edited February 4, 2022 by chillumpuffer

[rm2551]

Companies that pay workers 2 bucks an hour, then rely on a forced "Social welfare" of the customers to bring the pay up to something resembling reasonable, naturally allowing for shit cunt bosses to stiff their lowly workers by keeping tips, is just insane.

It's a baked in "small business welfare scheme". Complete bullshit that is akin to a form of bastardised socialism.

I tip at restaurants here when the service is good - which it almost always is. I think equal to tipping (here - since wages are much less of an issue) is I make sure to say good evening and a big thank you to the waiters/servers. But that's just good manners.

[SteveAJones]

15 hours ago, 1975NQ said:

"Well, in country fill-in-the-blank they're more grateful and therefore give better service so you don't get a tip today" does not work for me at all. Perhaps the waitress you stiffed at Chilil's has a creepy boss who hits on her and micromanages, and perhaps she has a couple of kids to feed and is a single mom who needs that income. Perhaps the 21 year-old you decide to stiff is on his/her own and paying their way through school. Perhaps $8/hr or whatever minimum wage is is not enough to pay the bills. Try putting yourself in someone else's shoes (this is called compassion, btw). Honestly, your argument sounds more like rationalization (and weak rationalization at that) because you just don't wanna fork over the extra money.

You've just made my point for me. I file all of that under, "tough shit, not my problem".

[chillumpuffer]

2 hours ago, rm2551 said:

Companies that pay workers 2 bucks an hour, then rely on a forced "Social welfare" of the customers to bring the pay up to something resembling reasonable, naturally allowing for shit cunt bosses to stiff their lowly workers by keeping tips, is just insane.

It's a baked in "small business welfare scheme". Complete bullshit that is akin to a form of bastardised socialism.

I tip at restaurants here when the service is good - which it almost always is. I think equal to tipping (here - since wages are much less of an issue) is I make sure to say good evening and a big thank you to the waiters/servers. But that's just good manners.

Not just that man. These cunts applied for Covid relief grants to the tune of millions of pounds for THEMSELVES whilst laying off staff. Then when they did open, charge £20 for 7 chips and justify it by saying they've lost money. Take Jamie Oliver for one: Multi millionaire who churns out shite cookery books on a weekly basis to line his vast coffers. Lays his staff off and doesn't take them back. Then cries poverty on TV that hospitality is fucked and he's got to go to a food bank to feed his bloated fat twat kids. Oh dear Oliver. Down to your last 10 million are you? I fucking hate the lot of them.

[BobDobbs]

9 hours ago, chillumpuffer said:

Paris . Even a coffee will set you back 20 euros. Robbing twats. A bit like London albeit it's not that much of a shit hole as Londonstan is.

London is the UK capital of rip off. The mugs who spend 30 quid on a plate of fried potatoes or 150 for a steak are at the mercy for constant  piss taking by us Northerners. They moan like fuck that the cost of living is making it impossible to live on 50 grand a year because their rent is 2500 a month, and they can't get on the property ladder because a 1 bedroomed broom cupboard in "West London" is a million notes. Idiots.  We have a scheme called - and yes this is true, "Levelling up" that the Tories have come up with. It's to redress the balance, the years of neglect that these tossers have implemented on everywhere except London and The South East. e.g. Spend on transport per head in London £903. The North? £300. They send ministers to "poor" areas, mainly north of London or Wales, to spin some bollocks of how they are going to spend spend spend !! No one believes them as they are from London !

However back on topic, unscrupulous bosses try and pay less or in cash so they can hire and fire at will. Some bosses actually keep the tips for themselves (generally wealthy Chefs who fucking hate charity - Gordan Ramsey et al). If you are fortunate enough to work for a good boss then tips are collected and shared out by the waiting staff at the end of the night. I mean get this: This is a "celebrity" chef from the UK who is, apparently, not taking the piss and pays his staff minimum wage:

One of Tom Kerridge's restaurants serves Britain’s most expensive fish and chips , costing an eye-watering £32.50.

Served with just seven chips, delicately sprinkled with herb garnish and accompanied by chunky tartare, pease pudding and curry sauce, this fish and chip meal is now served at the five-star Corinthia hotel in London. . AND PEOPLE PAY IT

 

Here is the "official" table of the minimum wage that is legally paid to employees.

National Living Wage	£9.50
21-22 Year Old Rate	£9.18
18-20 Year Old Rate	£6.83
16-17 Year Old Rate	£4.81

Thanks for the insight Chill, I thought things had become a bit more equitable in the UK but obviously that is not the case. Completely agree about London, place was always a rip-off. Whenever I travelled overseas, I always stayed at hostels outside of the major towns. First time in the UK back around 87' I paid $3.00 a night for a semi-private shared room. The large communal room was $1.50 back then. Those were the days. I have not stayed in a hostel since the mid-90's which was the last time I backpacked across Europe, the middle east & North Africa. I have always been super low maintenance as it is the experience which I enjoy. Just as long as the place is relatively clean, I am good to go. Even camped out a bit for the fun of it. Used to plan it all out...booked hostels, check; 3 month Euro-Pass, check. 

Those were the good old days of travel

[BobDobbs]

5 hours ago, chillumpuffer said:

Not just that man. These cunts applied for Covid relief grants to the tune of millions of pounds for THEMSELVES whilst laying off staff. Then when they did open, charge £20 for 7 chips and justify it by saying they've lost money. Take Jamie Oliver for one: Multi millionaire who churns out shite cookery books on a weekly basis to line his vast coffers. Lays his staff off and doesn't take them back. Then cries poverty on TV that hospitality is fucked and he's got to go to a food bank to feed his bloated fat twat kids. Oh dear Oliver. Down to your last 10 million are you? I fucking hate the lot of them.

My aunt & uncle were very successful restauranters from the 70's to 1998 when they retired, had five restaurants. My uncle told me being a successful restaurant or bar owner is super easy as the mark up is absolutely outrageous and the patrons pay most of your staff wages. He told me insofar as making good money by working hard, owning a restaurant is the way to go, almost no way to fail or not make money...almost. My uncle told me the reason why so may restaurants & bars go out of business or have trouble is because the majority of people who go into such business are good-time Joe's who think the hospitality business is party all the time. Problem is, your staff will steal you blind if you don't watch them like a hawk and never have a business partner as they will always F you. My uncle or Aunt were always there running the place when it was open, always, no exception. So my uncle would get there at 6am and work until about 3pm, then my aunt would show up around 2pm and work until 9pm.

They made bank and never had a problem. They also paid a decent wage so they had no issue with staffing but if they caught anyone stealing or not doing their job, no excuses, they would be immediately fired. They were good to their staff and expected the same in return.

It's laughable when these restaurant owners, and especially corporate owned restaurants make that silly claim that they are "barely getting by" under the best of circumstances. Sorry, but no one, and I mean no one, much less corporations, go into business to just "barely get by." That would be akin to a movie star claiming making only 10 million on a movie is "barely getting by." Simply nonsense.

Edited February 4, 2022 by BobDobbs

[chillumpuffer]

53 minutes ago, BobDobbs said:

Thanks for the insight Chill, I thought things had become a bit more equitable in the UK but obviously that is not the case. Completely agree about London, place was always a rip-off. Whenever I travelled overseas, I always stayed at hostels outside of the major towns. First time in the UK back around 87' I paid $3.00 a night for a semi-private shared room. The large communal room was $1.50 back then. Those were the days. I have not stayed in a hostel since the mid-90's which was the last time I backpacked across Europe, the middle east & North Africa. I have always been super low maintenance as it is the experience which I enjoy. Just as long as the place is relatively clean, I am good to go. Even camped out a bit for the fun of it. Used to plan it all out...booked hostels, check; 3 month Euro-Pass, check. 

Those were the good old days of travel

No problemo Bob.

"Equitable" and the "UK" are not words generally spoken in the same sentence here man. We are experiencing the most sky high energy bills and inflation in modern times. It's crippling millions of people both working and not. Energy bills have just gone up 54% today. Heat or eat is the in saying. On the news ALL the stories regarding hard up folk are exclusively in the North or Wales. Mark my words there will be rioting on the streets this summer. Last time the Conservatives fucked people this bad was in the days of Thatcher and The Poll Tax. History is repeating itself. You Tube it. Oh what fun we had fucking the system and trashing the Cops. Still never paid the tax and for that, I am forever proud

[1975NQ]

7 minutes ago, chillumpuffer said:

 Last time the Conservatives fucked people this bad was in the days of Thatcher and The Poll Tax. History is repeating itself. You Tube it. Oh what fun we had fucking the system and trashing the Cops. Still never paid the tax and for that, I am forever proud

This sounds like something Mark E. Smith would say (of the mighty Fall). He was the proudest, surliest, craziest Northerner you've ever met (Prestwich) 😛

[chillumpuffer]

14 hours ago, 1975NQ said:

This sounds like something Mark E. Smith would say (of the mighty Fall). He was the proudest, surliest, craziest Northerner you've ever met (Prestwich) 😛

Sure was. John Cooper Clarke  is another one.

[custard pie man]

On 2/4/2022 at 7:21 AM, chillumpuffer said:

Not just that man. These cunts applied for Covid relief grants to the tune of millions of pounds for THEMSELVES whilst laying off staff. Then when they did open, charge £20 for 7 chips and justify it by saying they've lost money. Take Jamie Oliver for one: Multi millionaire who churns out shite cookery books on a weekly basis to line his vast coffers. Lays his staff off and doesn't take them back. Then cries poverty on TV that hospitality is fucked and he's got to go to a food bank to feed his bloated fat twat kids. Oh dear Oliver. Down to your last 10 million are you? I fucking hate the lot of them.

most have never had to pay the goverment back, know a local butcher shop who got a million bucks, it was for sale and now , thanks to the free handout that  joe public has to pay for  it is no longer for sale, 

[custard pie man]

So here is a good one, have 2 kids getting married this coming year, my daughter and my son, my daughter has about 150 guest coming 4th of july weekend and an outdoor ceremony, hired  a very reputable caterer and while going over apps. and dinner choices and based on # of guests, its roughly $125 per person, with 6 hours open bar, pray for great weather, should be great time, beautiful facility, however caterer want a " service charge" for waitstaff of about 15 people of $3000 and  then a Gratuity plus sales tax, so I have asked for clarification on this, actually said theres no way i'm paying  that service charge and another 15-20% but waiting to get reply in writing, has anyone  walked their daughter down and dealt with this  shit before? I'm not cheap or even frugal but c'mon

[custard pie man]

On 1/30/2019 at 7:42 PM, SteveAJones said:

Business Traveller

Should you tip your flight attendant?

Suzanne Rowan Kelleher, CNN • Updated 30th January 2019

(CNN) — Travelers in the United States are used to tipping a multitude of people, from the baristas who make their frothy coffee concoctions to restaurant servers, parking valets, hotel housekeepers and Uber drivers.

But tipping a flight attendant? It's largely unheard of.

Almost all domestic US airlines have policies prohibiting flight attendants from accepting tips, but one ultra-low-cost carrier is bucking that tradition. About three years ago, Frontier Airlines introduced new technology to its inflight payment system that explicitly gives passengers the option to tip flight attendants.

Not that anyone seemed to notice at the time.

Tipping a flight attendant was a new concept for J.T. Genter, a senior writer at The Points Guy website, who has flown over 350 flights on 51 airlines in the past three years.

Several weeks ago, Genter recounted his surprise at being prompted to tip his Frontier flight attendant after ordering a can of ginger ale. His anecdote went viral and got many travelers wondering if flight attendants will be the next group of workers we'll be tipping.

Behind the mentality

"We appreciate the great work of our flight attendants and know that our customers do as well," says Jonathan Freed, a Frontier spokesperson. "Tipping is entirely at the customer's discretion, and many do it."

But it's not easy to change tipping culture.

"There can be many motivations for why we want to tip someone," says Michael Lynn, a professor at Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration, who has written extensively on tipping.

"In general, the dynamic is that we tip people in jobs that are lower status than us. My guess is that most people don't think of flight attendants as being lower status."

Perhaps not. "But it's a really hard job. These are people who do a really important job and don't earn tremendous sums of money for doing it," says Seth Kaplan, founding editor at Airline Weekly.

So many hats, so little time

Part of what makes a flight attendant's job difficult is that they don so many hats.

"Flight attendants are certified for our safety, health and security work," says Sara Nelson, International President of the Association of Flight Attendants, the union that represents 50,000 flight attendants at 20 US airlines, including Frontier. As "aviation's first responders," says Nelson, the flight attendant's primary responsibility is to ensure the safety of passengers.

Of course, flight attendants also serve food and drinks, and the service component of the job is typically what is most visible to passengers. "In terms of where they see flight attendants putting most of their time and energy, it's mostly serving passengers," says Lynn.

Fewer passengers may realize that a flight attendant is also a salesperson.

"On almost every airline in the United States, flight attendants are getting on the loudspeaker and announcing that they have this great deal on a credit card. When people get approved for the credit card, the flight attendant gets a bonus," says Brian Sumers, aviation business editor at Skift, the travel intel site.

That sales hat is considerably bigger if you work on an ultra-low-cost carrier like Frontier, where everything, from overhead bin space to non-alcoholic beverages, costs extra -- and that's where tipping comes in. When a passenger buys a bottle of water, can of soda or bag of chips, the flight attendant presents the bill on a tablet interface that includes a gratuity option.

"We had to learn the interface as part of the flight attendant training program when we started," says a woman who worked as a Frontier flight attendant for three years, until late 2018, and has asked not to be identified for fear of negatively impacting her career within the industry.

Flight attendants can control whether to reveal the tip screen before handing the tablet to the passenger for a signature.

The flight attendant says she would occasionally skip the tip screen if a passenger only ordered a bottle of water or if there was a big language barrier. "It sometimes created awkward interactions with passengers and it didn't make a huge impact in my take-home pay."

She notes that she never made more than $100 in tips in a single month, even though she worked significantly more than full-time hours.

"Full time" for flight attendants is significantly more than 40 hours a week.

Flight attendants are only paid for hours when the door to the aircraft is shut, which means they end up working a ton of off-the-clock hours. This is an industry-wide guideline and not exclusive to Frontier. Tipping could become one way to help cover that technically unpaid time.

"I definitely used the tipping feature on my tablet," she adds. "Frontier flight attendants are the lowest paid in the industry, so a little bit of extra cash from the tips was greatly appreciated."

For comparison, Frontier flight attendants make 25-30% less than flight attendants at another national ultra-low-cost carrier, Spirit Airlines, according to the Association of Flight Attendants.

Tipping as appeasement

Nelson says Frontier introduced tipping around the time it began negotiating a new contract with the flight attendant union "in hopes it would dissuade flight attendants from standing together for a fair contract -- and in an effort to shift additional costs to passengers." Contract negotiations between the two parties have been going on since 2016.

"It's not going very well, and it's getting heated on both sides," says Sumers. Frontier flight attendants have picketed at Frontier-hub airports since last spring and, last November, they authorized a strike.

Frontier tweaked its tipping policy at the beginning of the year. Flight attendants used to pool their tips, "but as the program matured over the past three years, flight attendants asked that individuals be able to keep their own tips," says Freed.

In response, flight attendants say they made that request only to gain greater transparency. "Even though we were told tips got split evenly among the crew, we never got any reports," says the former Frontier flight attendant.

While the AFA has always objected to tipping flight attendants, says Nelson, "our union also ensures this management initiative is implemented fairly and fully. Recently, management failed to properly distribute the tips passengers intended to give to the crew."

Following the industry leaders

"I definitely don't know a lot of Frontier flight attendants who would be upset if tipping just went away," says the flight attendant.

Instead, she thinks the company is going to use tipping as an incentive to increase sales. "I always heard rumors that the next step was going to be a quota for drinks and snacks we had to sell on the plane."

"I can't say that I'm surprised it's Frontier that came out with this first instead of, say, American, United or Delta," says Sumers. "Sometimes an ultra-low-cost carrier will do things that other airlines won't in order to lower costs and to keep revenue up."

According to a 2018 report from Airline Weekly, the no-frills carriers tend to have better operating margins than most of the legacy carriers. Whether the two other national ultra-low-cost airlines will follow Frontier's lead and introduce tipping is anyone's guess. For now, Spirit Airlines and Allegiant Air don't include tipping in their customer-payment systems.

"But it is a very competitive industry," says Kaplan. "If you have Frontier doing this and getting away with it -- and I don't mean to say that as that it's something nefarious -- but if Frontier is doing it then I'm sure it's something that Spirit and Allegiant are looking at, too."

Nothing would surprise Sumers. "We tip everywhere else we go," he says. "Why shouldn't we tip on an airplane?"

you would have to be dressed in heels and garters before I would tip a flight attendant

[chillumpuffer]

1 hour ago, custard pie man said:

most have never had to pay the goverment back, know a local butcher shop who got a million bucks, it was for sale and now , thanks to the free handout that  joe public has to pay for  it is no longer for sale, 

Really? I was a Sole Trader for 12 years. Paid my taxes without question. I then formed a Limited Company right before Covid and lockdown. I applied for a payment as my business suffered. They dropped me £6000 based on my last 3 years tax returns. Then they realised I had formed a LTD company and asked for the money back. 

The Government reckoned they have lost £6 billion in fraud and big rich companies and people raking in the cash. As usual with the Tories, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

[1975NQ]

7 hours ago, chillumpuffer said:

Sure was. John Cooper Clarke  is another one.

I'll, be damned, you've heard of MES!! Did you actually meet him? If so, please PM me. I want to hear the stories! I'm a huge Fall fan, and this is way off topic here lol. I haven't heard of John Cooper Clarke, just looked him up on wiki. He's had quite a life! I'll have to look more into his stuff.

"The North will rise again
The North will rise again
Not in 10,000 years
Too many people cower to criminals
And government crap"

- NWRA, The Fall 

Edited February 5, 2022 by 1975NQ

[chillumpuffer]

23 minutes ago, 1975NQ said:

I'll, be damned, you've heard of MES!!

Of course. I am a Mancunian. It's my home City. I probably saw The Fall back in my youth. Hard to say as I saw a lot of bands. Some I remember many I don't. Manchester has a rich heritage of music from The Hollies to Oasis, The Smiths and The Stone Roses and The Fall (obviously) Whatever London says it's us who have the music in the grass roots. It's in our blood and bone.

[1975NQ]

15 minutes ago, chillumpuffer said:

Of course. I am a Mancunian. It's my home City. I probably saw The Fall back in my youth. Hard to say as I saw a lot of bands. Some I remember many I don't. Manchester has a rich heritage of music from The Hollies to Oasis, The Smiths and The Stone Roses and The Fall (obviously) Whatever London says it's us who have the music in the grass roots. It's in our blood and bone.

Very cool! Totally agree with that. The Hollies in their mid 60s prime were one of the great garage bands of the era. I can't help but think MES didn't listen to the Hollies before forming the Fall as they were local boys like him (as the Fall essentially was garage rock mixed with whatever MES felt like that week). 

Edited February 5, 2022 by 1975NQ

[Bong-Man]

Been single over 30 years, and I always tip well in bars & restaurants.  Word travels fast.  It's kind of like Penny tells Sheldon on BBT.  Yes, pissing off the people that serve your food is always a good strategy.

[kipper]

On 2/4/2022 at 12:01 AM, chillumpuffer said:

If you are fortunate enough to work for a good boss then tips are collected and shared out by the waiting staff at the end of the night.

I would be very angry to find out that any tip I give to MY waiter is put into a pool and then shared with other staff. The whole idea of a gratuity is to compensate THE PERSON who provided good service. And since not all waiters are as good as the best ones, the ones lacking in merit should get less.

What you are describing sounds like socialism, which I loathe. I believe in tipping, but if I knew that it was shared with others, then I would just tip a lot less than I do.

[SteveAJones]

2 hours ago, kipper said:

I would be very angry to find out that any tip I give to MY waiter is put into a pool and then shared with other staff. The whole idea of a gratuity is to compensate THE PERSON who provided good service. And since not all waiters are as good as the best ones, the ones lacking in merit should get less.

What you are describing sounds like socialism, which I loathe. I believe in tipping, but if I knew that it was shared with others, then I would just tip a lot less than I do.

A 20% tip for last night's dinner with three friends was thirty bucks. Tipping is the main reason why I'm going out to eat in restaurants less and less. It's bad enough the cost of everything else has increased, then I'm expected to pay a waiter 20% of my bill just for doing their damn job.

[rm2551]

3 hours ago, kipper said:

The whole idea of a gratuity is to compensate THE PERSON who provided good service. And since not all waiters are as good as the best ones, the ones lacking in merit should get less.

 

Exactly, but if it is compulsory, it is nothing to do with compensating for good service - it's compulsory! Only in America is the concept of "tipping" completely ruined. (AFAIK it's only the US)

9 minutes ago, SteveAJones said:

What you are describing sounds like socialism, which I loathe.

compulsory tipping I'd say is a form of socialism wouldn't you say Kip?

BTW, welcome back.

[kipper]

12 hours ago, rm2551 said:

 

Exactly, but if it is compulsory, it is nothing to do with compensating for good service - it's compulsory! Only in America is the concept of "tipping" completely ruined. (AFAIK it's only the US)

compulsory tipping I'd say is a form of socialism wouldn't you say Kip?

BTW, welcome back.

But it isn't compulsory, you don't have to leave a tip. And if you don't leave a tip then you may only get bad service. 

The way it is supposed to work is that you are more than happy to reward a server for working hard to earn a good gratuity.  When you go out to dinner with the wife or girlfriend for a special evening and the server makes it extra special, why wouldn't you want to reward them?

I hate servers who expect a good tip but then don't earn even a medicore tip.

[kipper]

13 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

A 20% tip for last night's dinner with three friends was thirty bucks. Tipping is the main reason why I'm going out to eat in restaurants less and less. It's bad enough the cost of everything else has increased, then I'm expected to pay a waiter 20% of my bill just for doing their damn job.

I enjoy leaving a good tip for top notch service.  The happiness goes both ways.  20% would just be an average tip at a nice restaurant. But I tip on the curve so to speak, so I really am not spending more in tips than I need to. For example: an mediocre server will not get as much as they could get if they show a disinterest in doing a good job, so their loss. But the take away from that server will be added on to the next server who goes above and beyond.  So really pure capitalism on my part. "To the victor goes the spoils" as they say.

 

 

[shnflacwav]

I will tip in restaurants, bars, barber, and the airport without an issue. I don't particularly care to tip my food servant AND the captain in a nice restaurant since the server is who is doing most of the work. I don't tip my barista, but if I went everyday and had the same one everyday I might. I did, however,  buy the mom's coffee in line in front of me today because it is mother's day (she wasn't my mom).  I usually fly coach and would not tip the flight attendant for pushing the cart down the aisle to give me some pretzels and a ginger ale. I do give my mailman a gift once a year, and used to tip my paper boy or girl.