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On 4/17/2019 at 8:16 PM, PeaceFrogYum said:

I guess by some peoples logic, Joe Walsh & Don Felder were official Eagles and the guy who took over for Bill Ward was a member of Black Sabbath. Shit, Geezer & Tony pretty much stripped Ward as a member of the band. Talk about confusion.

Honestly, why does this matter?

Well Don Felder was an official Eagle, that’s why he was able to successfully sue them when he got fired.  Joe Walsh came later.

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6 hours ago, PeaceFrogYum said:

Would the statute of limitations on such a crime have run out by now? Does the UK even have a statute of limitation?

Magistrates' courts

In relation to criminal matters, Section 127 of the Magistrates Court Act 1980 states that normally:

a magistrates’ court shall not try an information or hear a complaint unless the information was laid, or the complaint made, within 6 months from the time when the offence was committed, or the matter of complaint arose.
'information is laid for the purposes of section 127 of the Magistrates' Courts Act 1980 when it is received at the office of the clerk to the justices for the relevant area'. It is not necessary for the information to be personally received by a justice of the peace or by the clerk of the justices.

Higher courts

Unlike other European countries, the United Kingdom has no statute of limitations for any criminal offence in the higher courts. Jimmy's previous cocaine possession charges were tried in the higher courts (Crown Court). Cases are sent to the Crown Court by the magistrates' court (this can happen if the magistrates feel that a higher sentence should be given than they have the power to set). Cases at Crown Court are tried by a jury, consisting of 12 people from the general public.

 

UK laws controlling drug use are complicated but there are three main statutes regulating the availability of drugs in the UK: The Misuse of Drugs Act (1971), The Medicines Act (1968) and The Psychoactive Substances Act (2016).

The Misuse of Drugs Act 1971

This act is intended to prevent the non-medical use of certain drugs. For this reason it controls not just medicinal drugs (which will also be in the Medicines Act) but also drugs with no current medical use. Drugs subject to this Act are known as ‘controlled’ drugs. The law defines a series of offences including: unlawful supply; intent to supply, import or export and unlawful production. The main difference from the Medicines Act is that the Misuse of Drugs Act also prohibits unlawful possession. To enforce this law the police have the power to stop, detain and search people on ‘reasonable suspicion’ that they are in possession of a controlled drug.

The Misuse of Drugs Act (MDA) divides drugs into three classes as follows:

Class A:
These include: cocaine and crack, ecstasy, heroin, LSD, methadone, methamphetamine (crystal meth), fresh and prepared magic mushrooms.

Class B:
These include: amphetamine (not methamphetamine), barbiturates, codeine, ketamine, synthetic cannabinoids such as Spice and cannabis (medicinal cannabis is now legal in the UK and can be prescribed by specialist doctors from 1st November 2018). All cathinone derivatives, including mephedrone, methylone, methedrone and MDPV were brought under control as Class B substances in 2010.

Class C:
These include: anabolic steroids, minor tranquillisers or benzodiazepines, GBL and GHB, khat and BZP.

Class A drugs are treated by the law as the most dangerous. Offences under the Misuse of Drugs Act can include:

  • Possession of a controlled drug.
  • Possession with intent to supply another person.
  • Production, cultivation or manufacture of controlled drugs.
  • Supplying another person with a controlled drug.
    Offering to supply another person with a controlled drug.
  • Import or export of controlled drugs.
  • Allowing premises you occupy or manage to be used for the consumption of certain controlled drugs (smoking of cannabis or opium but not use of other controlled drugs) or supply or production of any controlled drug.
  • Certain controlled drugs such as amphetamines, barbiturates, methadone, minor tranquillisers and occasionally heroin can be obtained through a legitimate doctor’s prescription. In such cases their possession is not illegal.

Offences committed under the 1971 Act in relation to a temporary class drug are subject to the following maximum penalties –

  • 14 years’ imprisonment and an unlimited fine on indictment
  • and 6 months’ imprisonment and a £5,000 fine on summary conviction.
Edited by SteveAJones

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There's 100% zero risk of Jimmy getting into legal trouble over what Jason said. Someone saying someone gave them drugs twenty years ago does not prove anything and wouldn't even put a blip on a law enforcement radar.

Jimmy is upset because, like someone stated earlier, he is very discrete with anything drug related.

Edited by gibsonfan159

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5 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:

Jimmy is upset because, like someone stated earlier, he is very discrete with anything drug related.

Why do you think that is, ding dong? It's because he's already had two cases for cocaine possession referred to the High Court.

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50 minutes ago, SteveAJones said:

Why do you think that is, ding dong? It's because he's already had two cases for cocaine possession referred to the High Court.

He was arrested for possession, Ding Dong (capitalize those proper nouns or go back to school). You can't get arrested for prior drug related circumstances based on accusation. What are they gonna do? Hop in a time machine? Does Jason still have the bag with Page's prints on it? You spend so much time googling legal terms but fail to use common sense.

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Jimmy Page doesn’t divulge much of anything for a variety of reasons. The less said the better.. adds to the mystique etc.. 

I can’t see him getting charged for something that allegedly happened 35 years ago either.. even if it could be pursued. But I trust Steve’s research. 

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It is.my opinion, stated out here 3 times that remaining mems recorded new original songs around the time Them Crooked Vultures would have been considering a second LP. I made up my mind about what.my ears where telling me... that I was hearing the guitar of Page, keyboard of Jones, voice of Plant, and someone with Jason's sparse sense of placement on e drums. I don't mind catching shit for this because I believe my ears above all. If Jason.plays on new material and it doesnt suck, then he's in. The so called fake Zeppelin song was awesome. My opinion stands until Page Plant or Jones confirm that is WAS NOT THEM.   Daryl Jones will be an official Stone for me if he comes up with the goods.. the tunes.

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2 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:

He was arrested for possession, Ding Dong (capitalize those proper nouns or go back to school). You can't get arrested for prior drug related circumstances based on accusation. What are they gonna do? Hop in a time machine? Does Jason still have the bag with Page's prints on it? You spend so much time googling legal terms but fail to use common sense.

I have to agree with this, otherwise every old rocker, musician, actor, etc. when writing their autobiographies would have them sanitized into a boring mess. As you stated, nothing to do with the law, everything to do with Page's legacy. Thing is, Jimmy is living an a fantasy land if he believes no one is aware of this behavior, nor history will remember it. Its simply silly at this point. LZ could not hold a candle in regard to tour shenanigans compared to other bands, especially the metal bands in the 80's. Once some asshole bites the heads off of bats, another has his girlfriend shit in a litterbox, and another in a competition with his bandmate to get as stinky and nasty as possible and see if the ladies will still sleep with them (spoiler, they did, happily); Jimmy having a bump off some birds boot is tame and sophomoric at best. Now that is not including those batshit insane Scandinavian death metal bands going around burning down churches and murdering people. Think about that for a moment. Does anyone even care about LZ's behaviors on the road compared to that! We are in a whole different universe now kiddos.

I can't blame the man for being discreet and not wanting to talk of such things, its another to censor others due to your past behaviors.

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19 hours ago, mstork said:

Well Don Felder was an official Eagle, that’s why he was able to successfully sue them when he got fired.  Joe Walsh came later.

It helped that Don wrote the music to Hotel California. Must have made him official by then, but they still tossed him out later.

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3 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

Why do you think that is, ding dong? It's because he's already had two cases for cocaine possession referred to the High Court.

Wasn't he involved in an inquest in Dec 1979 which caused him to miss Rock for Kampuchea?  I believe someone (prior to Bonzo) died in his home.

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22 minutes ago, sixpense said:

Wasn't he involved in an inquest in Dec 1979 which caused him to miss Rock for Kampuchea?  I believe someone (prior to Bonzo) died in his home.

Yes, a photographer friend of Jimmy's died at Plumpton Place in October 1979. Jimmy placed the house for sale shortly after that and moved into Old Mill House in 1980.

edit: Old Mill House is where Bonzo passed away less than a year after Jimmy's friend passed away in his other house. Jesus that is absolutely tragic.

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18 minutes ago, sixpense said:

Wasn't he involved in an inquest in Dec 1979 which caused him to miss Rock for Kampuchea?  I believe someone (prior to Bonzo) died in his home.

Imagine if Zeppelin played the Kampuchea benefit... 

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3 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:

He was arrested for possession, Ding Dong (capitalize those proper nouns or go back to school). You can't get arrested for prior drug related circumstances based on accusation. What are they gonna do? Hop in a time machine? Does Jason still have the bag with Page's prints on it? You spend so much time googling legal terms but fail to use common sense.

One can be INVESTIGATED and/or questioned based upon an accusation, Ding Dong. Particularly when the accused has a record of drug-related offences. 

2 hours ago, the chase said:

I can’t see him getting charged for something that allegedly happened 35 years ago either.. even if it could be pursued. But I trust Steve’s research. 

Highly unlikely but entirely possible given there is no High Court statute of limitations for criminal activity. 

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1 hour ago, PeaceFrogYum said:

As you stated, nothing to do with the law, everything to do with Page's legacy. 

Right, because nothing says "I'm concerned about my legacy" like selling 50th anniversary snow boards, coffee mugs and blankets.

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1 hour ago, SteveAJones said:

Right, because nothing says "I'm concerned about my legacy" like selling 50th anniversary snow boards, coffee mugs and blankets.

Please, apples & oranges

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12 minutes ago, PeaceFrogYum said:

Please, apples & oranges

"No, really. I am concerned about my legacy".

 

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3 hours ago, PeaceFrogYum said:

Thing is, Jimmy is living an a fantasy land if he believes no one is aware of this behavior, nor history will remember it. Its simply silly at this point.

I don't think that an accurate take. Of course he is aware of the past. It is reality. His reality. Jimmy keeps the focus on his work and output from Led Zeppelin - not the excess. No discussion about his "challenges" shall we say. Perfectly legitimate for Jimmy to do that. He thinks about and reminisces about the music and the good stuff. No time for what swirled around it and it's nobody's business really. Even if he wanted to discuss the darker side of things, there would be so much context to consider.

If he was an average, or just great rocker from the past, it might be worth detailing how the addictions and excesses blended into his story - Nikki Sixx does this quite well and Dirt (I thought) was a well told story in that respect. But when you are considered widely as one of the very best ever, I don't see value in him publicly engaging about his personal demons. For what benefit? If he does not wish to, good!

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