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8 hours ago, goldenretreiver157 said:

Is there a list of bootlegs in chronological order of release, starting with PB?

There are no strict chronological list anywhere but if you're after some good & detailed bootleg list, show setlists etc., try to visit this site: www.argenteumastrum.com
Bootledz is the best in terms of comparisons between CD titles (although there are some mistakes as it focuses on silver pressed bootlegs not the low gens).
Try to find an original or reprinted older versions of Hot Wacks books or some older Goldmine papers, these are especially dedicated for vinyl.
There's also a fantastic but retired blog dedicated to lots of old vinyl bootlegs here: https://theamazingkornyfonelabel.wordpress.com/

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On 12/25/2019 at 4:10 PM, goldenretreiver157 said:

Is there a list of bootlegs in chronological order of release, starting with PB?

The first vinyl bootlegs were Pb, and then the Trademark of Quality stuff got going with Live On Blueberry Hill.  Then the floodgates opened. Dozens of vinyl bootleg labels, usually with funny names came out during that period.

For the CD era, the late 80s saw a lot of the old tapes get put to CD. Neutral Zone put out the Blueberry Hill tapes from tape, and things like that and BBC 69 and 71 got cloned over and over and over.

Tarantura came along in the early 90s and released a ton of great releases, lots of unbooted and unheard tapes, with nice artwork and packaging. Labels like Antrabata sprung up and did the same.

The next wave was The Diagrams of LED Zeppelin (TDOLZ) in the 90s, which took the mini-lp artwork concept and released a ton of great releases, with era-correct photos and clever titles. The best part was that these were really affordable titles, released with serial numbers so people could track them all.

Around the same time, Cobla/Cobra Standard and Last Stand Disc we’re putting out discs. 

1998 saw the first Empress Valley release, of a Page/Plant Japan set. They followed up with various releases, in the style of TDOLZ-meets-Tarantura. Upgraded tapes with nice artwork. The Bonzo’s Birthday Party boxset was a winner, and so was Deep Striker - the Millard recording of the final LA Forum show. EV also launched a sister label called Mid-Valley Records, which released Eric Clapton and related titles at first.  Fast forward to 2002 and Empress Valley released the first “soundboard revolution” title, the complete soundboard from New York 2/12/75. Soon after, the Eelgrass label began cloning all of the EV soundboard releases, a practice which they've continued today.

Around the same time as EV was starting up, a “new” Tarantura label came out, called Tarantura2000. Unfortunately, unlike the original Tarantura - which released clean transfers of tapes, the T2K releases have commonly featured overly-eq’d versions of commonly circulated shows. Even when they have released a rare/unheard source, they rarely release it as a clean transfer. The recent Osaka 9/29/71 Mr Peach audience source is needlessly boosted to the point of distortion.

Since the early 2000s, labels like Wendy have put out dozens of titles - most of them inferior to other titles of the same show. The latest wave of titles has come via labels like Lighthouse (No Label), Eat a Peach, and Graf Zeppelin.  Meanwhile, Empress Valley is still going strong, along with Tarantura2000.

For more year-by-year info for individual titles, check the Labels page on the Bootledz site.

Worth pointing out that for the past 20 years, as torrenting and direct downloads have evolved, a good chunk of the bootleg industry has relied on fan remasters and fan-sourced recordings for new material.  Tarantura 2000 in particular has copied many of the Winston Remasters fan releases, while many labels have taken advantage of the lowgen/master upgrades circulated over the years via Royal-Orleans, or by people like weedwacker and groups liks JEMS. This trend hit a unique milestone in the past few years with Empress Valley's debut of the label "Moon Child Records", which began releasing Winston Remasters titles at a low cost. Moon Child has since expanded to releasing clones of titles from other bootleg labels, while Empress Valley has also ramped up the use of fan remasters - such as recent releases using the Nite Owl matrices of Texas Pop, Fillmore 69, and Blueberry Hill, as well as the inclusion of both Winston Remasters and Bootrock remasters on their latest 929 boxset.

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Just want to mention EVSD: they just released a 15-cd box - a mere 2000 yen - with the work done by “nakedeye25” and upped on DIME 3 months ago: “Evolution Is Timing”.

Exactly the same songs, cd’s and song separation on those cd’s.

Someone at EVSD has done an incredible job... 😜

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9 minutes ago, Moby_Dick_Ale said:

Just want to mention EVSD: they just released a 15-cd box - a mere 2000 yen - with the work done by “nakedeye25” and upped on DIME 3 months ago: “Evolution Is Timing”.

Exactly the same songs, cd’s and song separation on those cd’s.

Someone at EVSD has done an incredible job... 😜

They've been releasing these types of direct-from-dime clones more and more. I guess it's not that surprising, given the success of their Moon Child Records sub-label, which now releases cloned titles from all sorts of bands.

EV has also started ramping up the release of non-Zeppelin bands on the main EV label as well. Allman Brothers, Beatles, Prince, Dylan, Queen, U2, Guns N Roses. They are still putting out new Zeppelin soundboards each year, so it looks like these releases of other bands are part of a new approach for the filler in-between.

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4 hours ago, Moby_Dick_Ale said:

Just want to mention EVSD: they just released a 15-cd box - a mere 2000 yen - with the work done by “nakedeye25” and upped on DIME 3 months ago: “Evolution Is Timing”.

Exactly the same songs, cd’s and song separation on those cd’s.

Someone at EVSD has done an incredible job... 😜

There was no urgence to release something like this box-set. If someone at EVSD would have done an incredible/proper job, we would have had 928 under our christmas trees.

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8 minutes ago, Autumn Moon said:

There was no urgence to release something like this box-set. If someone at EVSD would have done an incredible/proper job, we would have had 928 under our christmas trees.

They do it to make easy monnnnney. They have to have something to keep the store in business. Look at all of those Moonchild releases. Same as the majority of the recent EV releases. 9 out of 10 of them are re-releases of earlier titles, or clones of things from RO or Dime. Then they drop an incredible soundboard and boom. 

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having lost my hot wacks copy, I am unable to find sequential releases. "BootLedZ" does a good job but I am looking primarily for bootlegs on vinyl. I want to know the obscure and early releases on wax. 

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1 hour ago, goldenretreiver157 said:

having lost my hot wacks copy, I am unable to find sequential releases. "BootLedZ" does a good job but I am looking primarily for bootlegs on vinyl. I want to know the obscure and early releases on wax. 

It could be very hard to determine a proper and detailed list because many early bootlegs on vinyl have been made after hours and often they had been scratched out from matrix nos. Several reissues came around almost at the same time as original pressing was made, especially with US market. A good example is famous Live on Blueberry Hill, where at least 3 different pressings of a legendary Blimp have been made. It was not so long time ago, when someone had asked us to check his copy, which turned out to be a mixture of Blimp and TMoQ (both were made by the same team of people) and released at the same time. Often, they did it to avoid any consequences of being followed by services.

Try to contact the owner of argenteumastrum.com - he has a very good knowledge about exact pressings and maybe he'll be interested to make further investigation. His vinyl list is pretty about the same as the Hot Wacks ca. 1989-1990 and he lists every single vinyl bootleg up to that date. A continuation and exact dates could only improve his listings.

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1 hour ago, goldenretreiver157 said:

"BootLedZ" does a good job but I am looking primarily for bootlegs on vinyl. I want to know the obscure and early releases on wax. 

Then maybe the several volumes of Robert Godwin's 'Illustrated Collectors Guide To Led Zeppelin' should be the right literature for you.

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On 12/28/2019 at 8:23 PM, pluribus said:

....

This trend hit a unique milestone in the past few years with Empress Valley's debut of the label "Moon Child Records", which began releasing Winston Remasters titles at a low cost. Moon Child has since expanded to releasing clones of titles from other bootleg labels, while Empress Valley has also ramped up the use of fan remasters - such as recent releases using the Nite Owl matrices of Texas Pop, Fillmore 69, and Blueberry Hill, as well as the inclusion of both Winston Remasters and Bootrock remasters on their latest 929 boxset.

Moonchild is surely a sub label or side label of Empress and was maybe just installed to release Fan-Remasters like Winston's works to provide them on silver discs at low costs (or even maybe just for fun). I can also imagine that Moonchild is a kind of 'revenge' (e.g. they cloned some Godfather titles which copied and remastered many soundboards that were previously provided by EV only). It also seems that Moonchild can be used as tool to knock out other currently active labels because Moonchild releases are always cheaper than others. So far, so good. But what I don't understand is: if there is a direct relationship with EV why are they cloning themselves? According to bootledz.com Rock Carnival, Knebworth or Bonzo's Birthday Party are direct clones of EV's original discs.

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9 minutes ago, hindenburg6880 said:

But what I don't understand is: if there is a direct relationship with EV why are they cloning themselves? According to bootledz.com Rock Carnival, Knebworth or Bonzo's Birthday Party are direct clones of EV's original discs.

I imagine that it’s simply to build up the Moonchild line, and to take advantage of the profit of having the low-price series going. Jewel cases, simple artwork, cheap. I’m sure if they can get people to buy both the EV and the Moonchild versions, they’d like that even more.

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On 12/28/2019 at 9:18 PM, Moby_Dick_Ale said:

Just want to mention EVSD: they just released a 15-cd box - a mere 2000 yen - with the work done by “nakedeye25” and upped on DIME 3 months ago: “Evolution Is Timing”.

Exactly the same songs, cd’s and song separation on those cd’s.

Someone at EVSD has done an incredible job... 😜

I succumbed, I simply could not resist this cheapo Soundboard Live Anthology  ....and it' s very nice 😎.

Thinking of this, a companion release -compiling the better quality Zep Audience tapes in a neat square EV box also would be a delight

1970 (Montreux, Tampa, L.A, N.Y ), 1971 (Copenhagen, Berkley, Tokyo, Ipswitch), 1972/73 combo (Tokyo, Osaka, London-Alexandra Palace, Offenburg, L.A ???) 1975 (best of Mike Millard), 1977 (best of Mike Millard), 1979 (best of the Copenhagen warm ups).

 "Resolution is Rhyming" ...anyone?

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On 12/28/2019 at 12:18 PM, Moby_Dick_Ale said:

Just want to mention EVSD: they just released a 15-cd box - a mere 2000 yen - with the work done by “nakedeye25” and upped on DIME 3 months ago: “Evolution Is Timing”.

Exactly the same songs, cd’s and song separation on those cd’s.

Someone at EVSD has done an incredible job... 😜

Picked it up for $25 plus EMS postage... Very nice, well done compilation by nakedeye25. Interesting that it does not contain Moby Dick or the Over The Top from 1977.

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I did it "the old way": downloaded the files from DIME and put it on 15 cd-r's, just like nakedeye25 suggested. A total cost of € 2,45...

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4 hours ago, Moby_Dick_Ale said:

I did it "the old way": downloaded the files from DIME and put it on 15 cd-r's, just like nakedeye25 suggested. A total cost of € 2,45...

Ah, the classic "Beezlebub"/"TCOLZ" method!

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5 hours ago, Nutrocker said:

Ah, the classic "Beezlebub"/"TCOLZ" method!

The difference is that I didn’t do it to make money, just me, myself and I. In the stereo and the car 🥳

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On 12/28/2019 at 12:18 PM, Moby_Dick_Ale said:

Just want to mention EVSD: they just released a 15-cd box - a mere 2000 yen - with the work done by “nakedeye25” and upped on DIME 3 months ago: “Evolution Is Timing”.

Exactly the same songs, cd’s and song separation on those cd’s.

Someone at EVSD has done an incredible job... 😜

Huh. Never knew Moonchild was a sub label to EVSD.

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On 1/16/2020 at 4:01 AM, duckman said:

I succumbed, I simply could not resist this cheapo Soundboard Live Anthology  ....and it' s very nice 😎.

Thinking of this, a companion release -compiling the better quality Zep Audience tapes in a neat square EV box also would be a delight

1970 (Montreux, Tampa, L.A, N.Y ), 1971 (Copenhagen, Berkley, Tokyo, Ipswitch), 1972/73 combo (Tokyo, Osaka, London-Alexandra Palace, Offenburg, L.A ???) 1975 (best of Mike Millard), 1977 (best of Mike Millard), 1979 (best of the Copenhagen warm ups).

 "Resolution is Rhyming" ...anyone?

Yeah mate, me too. Just ordered it. 

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I'm thinking of ordering "Evolution Is Timing" this week. Can anyone point me to the tracklisting somewhere? It seems to be calling my name. 

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There you go;  it's a great live anthology...not perfect, but very close

Evolution is timing

1969

CD 1:
01)Train Kept A Rolling 1969-08-31 Lewisville 2:25 (The Only Way To Fly-EVSD)
02)I Can't Quit You 1969-03-14 Stockholm 5:53 (Liquid Led Pre-FM)
03)As Long As I Have You 1969-04-27 San Francisco 18:10 (from Master-Spider Web src)
04)Dazed And Confused 1969-08-31 Lewisville 15:23 (The Only Way To Fly-EVSD)
05)You Shook Me 1969-01-11 San Francisco 8:15 (from Master-Presence src)

CD 2:
01)How Many More Times 1969-04-27 San Francisco 19:33 (from Master-Spider Web src)
02)I Gotta Move 1969-03-14 Stockholm 3:42 (Liquid Led Pre-FM)
03)Sitting And Thinking 1969-04-27 San Francisco 7:27 (from Master-Spider Web src)
04)Babe I'm Gonna Leave You 1969-04-27 San Francisco 6:26 (from Master-Spider Web src)
04)Killing Floor 1969-04-27 San Francisco 7:29 (from Master-Spider Web src)
05)Communication Breakdown 1969-08-31 Lewisville 4:50 (The Only Way To Fly-EVSD)

1971

CD 1:
01)Immigrant Song 1971-09-29 Osaka 4:37 (from How The East Was Won-EVSD)
02)Heartbreaker 1971-09-29 Osaka 8:25 (from How The East Was Won-EVSD)
03)Since I've Been Loving You 1971-09-29 Osaka 8:26 (from How The East Was Won-EVSD)
04)Black Dog 1971-09-28 Osaka 6:03 (from Bonus CD in Rock Carnival-EVSD)
05)Dazed And Confused 1971-08-31 Orlando 22:57 (from Florida Sunshine-EVSD)
06)Stairway To Heaven 1971-09-04 Toronto 9:05 (from 1st gen Presence src)
07)That's The Way 1971-09-04 Toronto 7:00 (from 1st gen Presence src)
08)Going To California 1971-09-04 Toronto 4:45 (from 1st gen Presence src)
09)Friends 1971-09-29 Osaka 4:06 (from How The East Was Won-EVSD)

CD 2:
01)Celebration Day 1971-09-04 Toronto 4:43 (from 1st gen Presence src)
02)What Is And What Should Never Be 1971-09-09 4:50 Hampton (from Master Spider Web src)
03)Moby Dick 1971-09-04 Toronto 15:10 (from 1st gen Presence src)
04)Whole Lotta Love 1971-08-31 Orlando 17:27 (from Florida Sunshine-EVSD)
05)Communication Breakdown 1971-09-29 Osaka 7:38 (from How The East Was Won-EVSD)
06)Rock n' Roll 1971-09-29 Osaka 3:39 (from How The East Was Won-EVSD)
07)Organ Solo 1971-08-31 Orlando 3:28 (from Florida Sunshine-EVSD)
08)Thank You 1971-08-31 Orlando 7:59 (from Florida Sunshine-EVSD)

1973

CD 1:
01)Rock n' Roll 1973-05-18 Dallas 4:01 (from 1st gen dadgad src)
02)Celebration Day 1973-05-26 Salt Lake City 3:41 (from unknown gen)
03)Black Dog 1973-07-15 Buffalo 6:06 (from 2nd gen)
04)Over The Hills And far Away 1973-01-22 Southampton 6:37 (The Working Tapes EVSD)
05)Georgia On My Mind 1973-05-26 Salt Lake City 1:09 (from 1st gen dadgad src)
06)Misty Mountain Hop 1973-05-18 Dallas 5:46 (from 1st gen dadgad src)
07)Since I've Been Loving You 1973-05-31 8:05 Los Angeles (Bonzo's Birthday Party Definitive EVSD)
08)No Quarter 1973-05-18 Dallas 11:15 (from 1st gen dadgad src)
09)Dancing Days 1973-01-22 Southampton 4:13 (The Working Tapes EVSD)
10)Bron-Y-Aur Stomp 1973-01-07 Oxford 5:36 (from 1st gen dadgad src)

CD 2:
01)The Song Remains The Same 1973-07-17 Seattle 5:57 (from dadgad src)
02)The Rain Song 1973-05-19 Ft. Worth 8:08 (from dadgad src)
03)Dazed And Confused 1973-07-17 Seattle 35:00 (from dadgad src)

CD 3:
01)Stairway To Heaven 1973-05-31 Los Angeles 11:03 (Bonzo's Birthday Party Definitive EVSD)
02)Heartbreaker 1973-06-02 San Francisco 8:00 (from master dadgad src)
03)Whole Lotta Love 1973-06-02 San Francisco 12:18 (from master dadgad src)
04)The Ocean 1973-05-28 San Diego 4:28 (3 Days Before EVSD)
05)How Many More Times 1973-01-22 Southampton 8:34 (The Working Tapes EVSD)
06)Communication Breakdown 1973-01-22 Southampton 3:28 (The Working Tapes EVSD)

1975

CD 1:
01)Rock n' Roll 1975-03-17 Seattle 3:57 (Deus Ex Machina-EVSD)
02)Sick Again 1975-03-24 Los Angeles 4:58 (The Night Stalker-EVSD)
03)Over The Hills And Far Away 1975-02-13 Uniondale 8:15 (Led Faces Over The Coliseum-Godfather)
04)In My Time Of Dying 1975-02-28 Baton Rouge 11:14 (Rampaging Cajun-EVSD)
05)Since I've Been Loving You 1975-03-21 Seattle 9:00 (Deus Ex Machina-EVSD)
06)The Song Remains The Same 1975-03-20 Vancouver 6:15 (Canadien Crush-Liquid Led)
07)The Rain Song 1975-03-24 Los Angeles 7:25 (The Night Stalker-EVSD)
08)Kashmir 1975-02-16 St. Louis 8:50 (Better Late Than Never-Liquid Led)

CD 2:
01)No Quarter 1975-03-21 Seattle 25:34 (Deus Ex Machina-EVSD)
02)Trampled Underfoot 1975-03-21 Seattle 9:45 (Deus Ex Machina-EVSD)
03)Dazed And Confused 1975-03-21 Seattle 41:35 (Deus Ex Machina)


 

CD 3:
01)Stairway To Heaven 1975-03-11 Long Beach 11:55 (Californication-dadgad remaster)
02)Whole Lotta Love 1975-02-13 Uniondale 5:53 (Led Faces Over The Coliseum-Godfather)
03)Black Dog 1975-03-11 Long Beach 5:49 (Californication-dadgad remaster)
04)Communication Breakdown 1975-02-13 Uniondale 9:11 (Led Faces Over The Coliseum-Godfather)
05)Heartbreaker 1975-02-14 Uniondale 10:26 (St. Valentines Day Massacre-EVSD)

 

1977

CD 1:
01)The Song Remains The Same 1977-05-22 Ft. Worth 5:36 (Texas Hurricane-EVSD)
02)Sick Again 1977-05-30 Landover 6:40 (Double Shot-EVSD)
03)Nobody's Fault But Mine 1977-06-07 New York 6:49 (Magical Sound Boogie-EVSD)
04)In My Time Of Dying 1977-06-07 New York 10:53 (Treading The Boards-MSB remaster)
05)Since I've Been Loving You 1977-04-27 Cleveland 8:31 (from 1st gen)
06)No Quarter 1977-05-26 Landover 22:18 (Bringing The House Down-EVSD)

CD 2:
01)Ten Years Gone 1977-05-25 Landover 9:55 (Double Shot-EVSD)
02)The Battle Of Evermore 1977-05-22 Ft. Worth 7:06 (Texas Hurricane-EVSD)
03)Going To California 1977-05-30 Landover 4:52 (Double Shot-EVSD)
05)Dancing Days 1977-05-26 Landover (Bringing The House Down)-EVSD)
04)Black Country Woman 1977-05-22 Ft. Worth 2:12 (Texas Hurricane-EVSD)
05)Bron-Y-Aur Stomp 1977-04-27 Cleveland 5:07 (from 1st gen)
06)White Summer/Black Mountainside 1977-05-25 Landover 5:45 (Double Shot-EVSD)
07)Kashmir 1977-05-21 Houston 8:56 (Texas Hurricane-EVSD)

CD 3:
01)Noise Solo 1977-06-23 Los Angeles 12:15 (from Master Presence source)
02)Achilles Last Stand 1977-05-30 Landover 9:44 (Double Shot-EVSD)
03)Stairway To Heaven 1977-05-25 Landover 10:57 (Double Shot-EVSD)
04)Whole Lotta Love 1977-05-30 Landover 1:36 (Double Shot-EVSD)
05)Rock n' Roll 1977-05-30 Landover 4:29 (Double Shot-EVSD)
06)Trampled Underfoot 1977-04-27 Cleveland 7:11 (from 1st gen)
07)It'll Be Me 1977-05-22 Ft. Worth 5:31 (Texas Hurricane-EVSD)

1980

CD 1:
01)Train Kept A Rolling 1980-06-29 Zurich 3:03 (from 1st gen)
02)Nobody's Fault But Mine 1980-06-23 Bremen 5:19 (Bremen 1980-Tarantura)
03)Black Dog 1980-07-07 Berlin 6:14 (from 1st gen KRW src)
04)In The Evening 1980-06-29 Zurich 9:15 (from 1st gen)
05)The Rain Song 1980-06-24 Hannover 7:41 (from 1st gen KRW src)
06)Hot Dog 1980-06-30 Frankfurt 3:51 (from 1st gen KRW src)
07)All My Love 1980-07-07 Berlin 5:46 (from 1st gen KRW src)
08)Trampled Underfoot 1980-06-20 Brussels 7:59 (from 1st gen KRW src)
09)Since I've Been Loving You 1980-06-30 Frankfurt 9:49 (from 1st gen KRW src)
10)Achilles Last Stand 1980-06-21 Rotterdam 9:43 (from 1st gen KRW src)

CD 2:
01)White Summer/Black Mountainside 1980-06-17 Dortmund 5:47 (from 1st gen speed corrected)
02)Kashmir 1980-06-20 Brussels 9:08 (from 1st gen KRW src)
03)Stairway To Heaven 1980-07-07 Berlin 15:35 (from 1st gen KRW src)
04)Rock n' Roll 1980-06-21 Rotterdam 3:47 (from 1st gen KRW src)
05)Communication Breakdown 1980-07-03 Mannheim 2:49 (from 1st gen KRW src)
06)Heartbreaker 1980-06-29 Zurich 9:53 (from 1st gen)
07)Whole Lotta Love 1980-07-07 Berlin 18:25 (from 1st gen KRW src)
08)Money 1980-06-30 Frankfurt 5:10 (from 1st gen KRW src)

 

 

 

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