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1973 MSG Shows and how to tell them apart

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I have been trying to figure out a way to tell the 73 TSRTS shows in NY that were filmed apart from one another . The only way I can think of to seperate them is from Jonesy's stage clothing. Going by what I can tell from the youtube clips  that are out there as well as a couple bootleg clips, he wore 3 different shirts/jackets etc. on all 3 nights and most likely changed out of the loud flashy jacket with the balls hanging off the arms and kept the kitchen tablecloth design shirt on during the later half the 3rd night (the 29th) during the Violin Bow part of Dazed. 
So I took some screen shots taking a guess which night was what. If anyone knows, chime in and either correct me or...whatever  

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This was the first time I have actually read all these pages carefully. I got my answer for the most part . I ran across this bootleg clip of Dazed that states its from the night of the 29th.  After Jimmy's bow section is over and the tempo once again speeds up , I noticed Jonesy with the strange patterned shirt with the blotches on the shoulder so I assumed in my mind that he took that crazy loud jacket off sometime during that 5-7 minute period when he wasnt needed to play . 

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6 hours ago, GeorgiaZepFan4ever said:

This was the first time I have actually read all these pages carefully. I got my answer for the most part . I ran across this bootleg clip of Dazed that states its from the night of the 29th.  After Jimmy's bow section is over and the tempo once again speeds up , I noticed Jonesy with the strange patterned shirt with the blotches on the shoulder so I assumed in my mind that he took that crazy loud jacket off sometime during that 5-7 minute period when he wasnt needed to play . 

Don't forget that they re shot some footage at Shepparton Studios and Jonesy had to wear a wig as he'd cut his hair

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Yep it took me a while to even notice all the oddities and differences between the footage in NY compared to the footage at Shep but Im getting better at it.  Jonesy's hair and Bonzo's face weight..Robert's teeth were fixed  and the lighting on the stages were  different ... even Jimmy's hair is slightly different as well..... One clip I study all the time is Dazed  and there's very little Shepperton footage in that but quite a bit of Shep footage in WLL

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It's a long and complicated subject but JPJ is a good clue:

27th - Crazy jacket/white shirt RnR-No Quarter, white shirt TSRTS-beginning of Moby Dick, polka dot shirt end of Moby Dick-end of show

28th - Crazy jacket/leather jacket RnR-The Rain Song, leather jacket Dazed-end of show

29th - Crazy jacket/polka dot shirt RnR - Dazed pre-bow solo, polka dot shirt post-bow solo-end of show

Btw, the majority of the ending of Dazed and Confused is Shepperton, and WLL has a decent mix of genuine/Shep footage

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I'm pretty sure I've asked this already - but are the original camera films on a shelf (even if digitised) - or long gone? In other words, are all the source camera footage somewhere - or no?

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2 hours ago, rm2551 said:

I'm pretty sure I've asked this already - but are the original camera films on a shelf (even if digitised) - or long gone? In other words, are all the source camera footage somewhere - or no?

Back when Jimmy was remastering the movie and soundtrack in 2006 (I think), he mentioned in an interview that he couldn't make any changes to the visuals because of some copyright laws or something, I believe. If it were true that he would even consider doing that, that would lead me to believe he still has the original film. Someone like Sam or Steve A Jones may be able to shed more light on this.

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5 minutes ago, June72 said:

Back when Jimmy was remastering the movie and soundtrack in 2006 (I think), he mentioned in an interview that he couldn't make any changes to the visuals because of some copyright laws or something, I believe. If it were true that he would even consider doing that, that would lead me to believe he still has the original film. Someone like Sam or Steve A Jones may be able to shed more light on this.

He does.  He added the extras to the original like MMH, and The Ocean.

The Zeppelin archive needs to handed over to an Uber fan and redone completely.  These Frankenstein productions are a complete joke 

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18 hours ago, June72 said:

Back when Jimmy was remastering the movie and soundtrack in 2006 (I think), he mentioned in an interview that he couldn't make any changes to the visuals because of some copyright laws or something, I believe. If it were true that he would even consider doing that, that would lead me to believe he still has the original film. Someone like Sam or Steve A Jones may be able to shed more light on this.

If all original footage exists - as in all cameras film canisters for all filmed concerts (the bulk of which I imagine has not yet seen the light of day) and its simply a matter of copyright/legal considerations, I give up. This world is insane. I assume a lot of original film that was considered redundant/irrelevant to the project was discarded/destroyed. It is too hard to believe all angles of the concerts filmed are all on a shelf somewhere. I'm sure there is still some stuff, but surely not all camera footage. Sam? Steve??

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