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39 minutes ago, Walter said:

1,554 new Covid deaths in Florida…taking the state total to over 50,000. 1 in every 400 Floridians have died due to COVID-19. 
 

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-florida-coronavirus-data-trends-thursday-sept16-20210916-ay4r4wsghngzxexbejbj7grbmq-story.html
 

Joe Biden Cuts Shipments of Life-Saving COVID Treatment to Florida Without Notice Because He's Happy to Kill You to Make a Point

Joe Biden Cuts Shipments of Life-Saving COVID Treatment to Florida Without Notice Because He's Happy to Kill You to Make a Point – RedState

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12 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

Joe Biden Cuts Shipments of Life-Saving COVID Treatment to Florida Without Notice Because He's Happy to Kill You to Make a Point

Joe Biden Cuts Shipments of Life-Saving COVID Treatment to Florida Without Notice Because He's Happy to Kill You to Make a Point – RedState

Those mentioned States are Trump country, especially Florida,that's why the punishment, then I'm criticized when I use the term Communist bastards, that goes for Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schummer,  AOC, the whole lot of them Democratic communist pigs.

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Private businesses should be completely free to decide who enters their premises, of course.  But in the current environment of media-driven mass hysteria, and the fact that most corporations at the top of the food chain (e.g. the banks) ARE effectively the government, it's quite a stretch to dismiss concerns over vaccine passports as interference in the decisions of private actors.

CDC Libertarians Double Down on Their "Defense" of Property Rights - LRC Blog (lewrockwell.com)

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This is funny:

France Recalls Ambassadors To US & Australia, Outraged Over Submarine Deal | ZeroHedge

France is run by a bankster with mommy issues, so it's easy to laugh at them here.  (Esp. when they were so scandalized by Trump expecting them to actually pony up on their NATO commitments.)  However, the larger point in the context of Oz's transformation into a covid concentration camp:  they are preparing for war.

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2 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

This is funny:

France Recalls Ambassadors To US & Australia, Outraged Over Submarine Deal | ZeroHedge

France is run by a bankster with mommy issues, so it's easy to laugh at them here.  (Esp. when they were so scandalized by Trump expecting them to actually pony up on their NATO commitments.)  However, the larger point in the context of Oz's transformation into a covid concentration camp:  they are preparing for war.

 This one thing Trump was 100% right about, the other NATO nations were not paying their fair share, the US has ben carrying them for decades.

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1 minute ago, BobDobbs said:

 This one thing Trump was 100% right about, the other NATO nations were not paying their fair share, the US has ben carrying them for decades.

Just to be clear, NATO outlived its usefulness decades ago, it should be disbanded.  So even here Trump was ineffective.  But yeah, the Europeans want to have their cake and eat it too.

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On 9/16/2021 at 2:58 PM, SteveAJones said:

Joe Biden Cuts Shipments of Life-Saving COVID Treatment to Florida Without Notice Because He's Happy to Kill You to Make a Point

Joe Biden Cuts Shipments of Life-Saving COVID Treatment to Florida Without Notice Because He's Happy to Kill You to Make a Point – RedState

Well except this isn’t true. It’s about an equitable distribution. And perhaps more about Desantis playing politics with peoples lives. If one considers that he along with Texas governor actually are threatening punishments to those companies and facilities that have a mask mandate. And while I certainly value your opinion, and thoughts on this subject along with others, RedState is nothing more than a blog. It’s not a reliable new source. Hardly a news website. It typically uses very sensational headlines and words to grab people’s attention. 
 

There is part truth to this article, that the Biden administration cut the amount of Monoclonal treatments that were being distributed. I’m not taking a side on this argument. I’m just pointing out that this blog from Redstate doesn’t have it right. 

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1 hour ago, Plant77 said:

It’s about an equitable distribution.

"Equitable distribution" is merely their stated goal and justification for ordering the Department of Health and Human Services to transition from a direct ordering process to a state/territory-coordinated distribution. The reality is they are deliberately changing the existing supply system, resulting in an immediate 50% reduction for Florida.  

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On 9/16/2021 at 5:58 PM, SteveAJones said:

Joe Biden Cuts Shipments of Life-Saving COVID Treatment to Florida Without Notice Because He's Happy to Kill You to Make a Point

Joe Biden Cuts Shipments of Life-Saving COVID Treatment to Florida Without Notice Because He's Happy to Kill You to Make a Point – RedState

“Hunger Games” comes to mind. Treatment today. Food tomorrow.

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9 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

Private businesses should be completely free to decide who enters their premises, of course.  But in the current environment of media-driven mass hysteria, and the fact that most corporations at the top of the food chain (e.g. the banks) ARE effectively the government, it's quite a stretch to dismiss concerns over vaccine passports as interference in the decisions of private actors.

CDC Libertarians Double Down on Their "Defense" of Property Rights - LRC Blog (lewrockwell.com)

So we should give up our freedom of religion and choice? Those companies need to abide by those laws.

 I thought the Constitution was the Supreme law of the land?

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7 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

This party's just getting started:

More US Troops and Aircraft to Be Deployed to Australia - News From Antiwar.com

Hope those troops are fully vaxxed!

Australia are our allies, I see no problem in sending American troops over to Australia to enhance their military, and I also agree on the nuclear submarine deal too, it's also in our benefit to keep our eyes on China, after all they are our English speaking brothers as are New Zealand and Canada, I'm glad England is stepping up.

As for the vaccine I'm sure Australia will have to deal with whatever the US says their Troops have to or don't have to take, it's a cause for the greater good of our country and English speaking Allies, here in America sometimes I feel like no one speaks English anymore.

I'd rather our Troops be deployed to our brother countries than some desert dwelling country who'd rather see us dead in the first place, in that aspect I think Biden did the right thing, in withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan, we were there long enough they should be able to take care of themselves by now, instead of fleeing and running away.

What happened to all the military training we gave them throughout those years? Israel made use of it, hell they have one of the best Air force in the world and their military can take care of themselves when they are threaten  by their Jewish hating neighbors who want to see them eradicated, they made use of our training, why not Afghanistan? 

 

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2 hours ago, RainbowElf said:

Australia are our allies, I see no problem in sending American troops over to Australia to enhance their military, and I also agree on the nuclear submarine deal too, it's also in our benefit to keep our eyes on China, after all they are our English speaking brothers as are New Zealand and Canada, I'm glad England is stepping up.

As for the vaccine I'm sure Australia will have to deal with whatever the US says their Troops have to or don't have to take, it's a cause for the greater good of our country and English speaking Allies, here in America sometimes I feel like no one speaks English anymore.

I'd rather our Troops be deployed to our brother countries than some desert dwelling country who'd rather see us dead in the first place, in that aspect I think Biden did the right thing, in withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan, we were there long enough they should be able to take care of themselves by now, instead of fleeing and running away.

What happened to all the military training we gave them throughout those years? Israel made use of it, hell they have one of the best Air force in the world and their military can take care of themselves when they are threaten  by their Jewish hating neighbors who want to see them eradicated, they made use of our training, why not Afghanistan? 

 

We're getting too off topic here, but the US spends way too much on military and overseas adventures, we need to focus on our own problems at home.  There's a difference between recognizing the communist government of China as an enemy, and fomenting war with them in Asia.  What American national interest depends on the defense of Australia?  None that I can see, and you can repeat this question repeatedly (Ukraine, Syria, etc.).

At any rate, the background of these maneuvers, like the scamdemic itself, is camouflaging a global fiat/financial collapse.  That's what connects it.  And governments can't effectively wage war without the population under some kind of domestic control (like a lockdown).

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1 hour ago, JohnOsbourne said:

We're getting too off topic here, but the US spends way too much on military and overseas adventures, we need to focus on our own problems at home.  There's a difference between recognizing the communist government of China as an enemy, and fomenting war with them in Asia.  What American national interest depends on the defense of Australia?  None that I can see, and you can repeat this question repeatedly (Ukraine, Syria, etc.).

At any rate, the background of these maneuvers, like the scamdemic itself, is camouflaging a global fiat/financial collapse.  That's what connects it.  And governments can't effectively wage war without the population under some kind of domestic control (like a lockdown).

Because Australia are our Allies and China is our enemy. 

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Here's a good example of lying with statistics.  Look at the table right after the references:

Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths, by Vaccination Status — 13 U.S. Jurisdictions, April 4–July 17, 2021 | MMWR (cdc.gov)

Something like a quarter to half of the population was vaccinated during the term of the study, so it's not surprising you see more issues involving unvaccinated vs vaccinated here.

US COVID-19 Vaccine Progress Tracker | Vaccinations by State | USAFacts

But apart from that, even from the data in the table we see

vaccinated:  616 deaths out of 2976 hospitalizations => 20.7% rate

unvaccinated:  6132 deaths out of 34,972 hospitalizations => 17.5% rate

If these vaccines work as well as they claim, you'd think the rate gap would be much larger, and in favor of the vaccinated.  

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9 hours ago, RainbowElf said:

So we should give up our freedom of religion and choice? Those companies need to abide by those laws.

 I thought the Constitution was the Supreme law of the land?

:hysterical:

There is just so much ignorance to unpack there, but I give the Elf props for doing so in such a concise manner.

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7 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

We're getting too off topic here, but the US spends way too much on military and overseas adventures, we need to focus on our own problems at home.  There's a difference between recognizing the communist government of China as an enemy, and fomenting war with them in Asia.  What American national interest depends on the defense of Australia?  None that I can see, and you can repeat this question repeatedly (Ukraine, Syria, etc.).

At any rate, the background of these maneuvers, like the scamdemic itself, is camouflaging a global fiat/financial collapse.  That's what connects it.  And governments can't effectively wage war without the population under some kind of domestic control (like a lockdown).

I agree we need to focus more on our problems at home send the troops to the Mexican and Canadian borders.

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8 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

Here's a good example of lying with statistics.  Look at the table right after the references:

Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths, by Vaccination Status — 13 U.S. Jurisdictions, April 4–July 17, 2021 | MMWR (cdc.gov)

Something like a quarter to half of the population was vaccinated during the term of the study, so it's not surprising you see more issues involving unvaccinated vs vaccinated here.

US COVID-19 Vaccine Progress Tracker | Vaccinations by State | USAFacts

But apart from that, even from the data in the table we see

vaccinated:  616 deaths out of 2976 hospitalizations => 20.7% rate

unvaccinated:  6132 deaths out of 34,972 hospitalizations => 17.5% rate

If these vaccines work as well as they claim, you'd think the rate gap would be much larger, and in favor of the vaccinated.  

Well the hospitalizations are certainly significantly lower in the vaccinated. But that is interesting. Did it mention the age groups of those deaths related to the vaccinated group? Also were they fully vaccinated at that percentage. The second link you provided I’m still trying to sort through. 

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55 minutes ago, Plant77 said:

Well the hospitalizations are certainly significantly lower in the vaccinated. But that is interesting. Did it mention the age groups of those deaths related to the vaccinated group? Also were they fully vaccinated at that percentage. The second link you provided I’m still trying to sort through. 

It is broken up by age for two different time periods (April to mid-June, and mid-June to mid-July).  It is true that it makes more sense to look at the statistics by age group, I should have done that first.  So for the first time period, the rates for >= 65 (the main demographic of interest) we have 3137 deaths/9199 hospitalizations = 34.1% for non-vaccinated, and 363 deaths/1286 hospitalizations = 28.2% for vaccinated.  So yes, a slightly better rate for the non-vaccinated, but certainly nothing to rave about, and the headline number in that CDC report (see the image flashing 10X reduced risk of death) is blatantly misleading.

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13 hours ago, RainbowElf said:

As for the vaccine I'm sure Australia will have to deal with whatever the US says their Troops have to or don't have to take.

I'd rather our Troops be deployed to our brother countries than some desert dwelling country who'd rather see us dead in the first place, in that aspect I think Biden did the right thing, in withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan, we were there long enough they should be able to take care of themselves by now, instead of fleeing and running away.

What happened to all the military training we gave them throughout those years? Israel made use of it, hell they have one of the best Air force in the world and their military can take care of themselves when they are threaten  by their Jewish hating neighbors who want to see them eradicated, they made use of our training, why not Afghanistan? 

The overwhelming majority of American military personnel are vaccinated. 

Afghanistan is a foreign policy disaster of epic proportions. A skeleton crew of 2,500 or so advisors and specialists was sufficient to keep a lid on the place and give the Afghan Army a fighting chance. However, when your President flees the country it's a prompt that you best shed your uniform and blend in with the non-combatants lest risking being killed for a doomed country. The Biden Admin was banking on Over The Horizon capabilities to maintain some semblance of order, but as we see that notion is now as dead on arrival as the seven children that were incinerated. I guarantee you that your sons and daughters will be sent back in there in less than 10 years.

 

9 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

vaccinated:  616 deaths out of 2976 hospitalizations => 20.7% rate

unvaccinated:  6132 deaths out of 34,972 hospitalizations => 17.5% rate

If these vaccines work as well as they claim, you'd think the rate gap would be much larger, and in favor of the vaccinated.  

That's just it, they DON'T work as well as advertised. However, there's no money to be made going the HERD IMMUNITY route so the powers that be will continue this charade that vaccination is the only answer.

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Amazingly Covid is still unable to get a perch in Brisbane/Queensland. Given for the last 20+ days NSW has been reporting over 1,000 cases per day, I've been fully expecting an outbreak of some kind. We are not that far away from Sydney (12hr drive if you go hard non stop). While we have implemented fairly strict border controls, we still heavily rely on road freight and there are truck routes that continue (with checkpoints/checks/tests etc.). How there is still no outbreak at all up here is interesting. Of course, whenever there are 4 or 5 cases, we shut down a lot of things. It seems to work but is painful for a LOT of small businesses and individuals.

I went to Bunnings (hardware/nursery massive warehouse like stores) and street markets today and noticed only 1 in 50 people if that were not masking. From what I understand, the virus is not a "winter" - or cooler climate thing (attested to by what's doing in Texas and Florida). Weird how it's not an issue in the warmer climate up here vs. NSW and VIC. So not sure why QLD so successfully is avoiding Covid, but I'm glad we are.

Soon enough vaccination levels will be high enough that the new strategies of living with it will start to roll out.

Have a lovely weekend y'all.

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7 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

The overwhelming majority of American military personnel are vaccinated. 

Afghanistan is a foreign policy disaster of epic proportions. A skeleton crew of 2,500 or so advisors and specialists was sufficient to keep a lid on the place and give the Afghan Army a fighting chance. However, when your President flees the country it's a prompt that you best shed your uniform and blend in with the non-combatants lest risking being killed for a doomed country. The Biden Admin was banking on Over The Horizon capabilities to maintain some semblance of order, but as we see that notion is now as dead on arrival as the seven children that were incinerated. I guarantee you that your sons and daughters will be sent back in there in less than 10 years.

 

That's just it, they DON'T work as well as advertised. However, there's no money to be made going the HERD IMMUNITY route so the powers that be will continue this charade that vaccination is the only answer.

We were there long enough to train them, they should’ve been able to fend off the Taliban, as for their President he’s always been our puppet, he fled he is a coward.

As for the children being incinerated, why did that happen to them,? I hadn’t heard of that, not to sound cold now, but that’s their problem now, the Taliban is now their official government so they have to deal with it.

Do they even have capabilities or facilities and personnel to make the vaccine, or were we giving them that too?

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Just an interesting thing considering vaccines, and I know this is just a tv show and one of my favorites, I know everyone here has heard of X-Files, I ask that you watch Season 3 episode number 24 titled "Talitha Cumi" and it's continuation that starts off season 4 episode 1 Herrenvolk, which focuses on the SEP, Smallpox Eradication Program, vaccine, it brings to mind the pushing of these covid vaccines on people.

 

I know it's fiction, but please people just watch these two episodes for me, you can get them on Hulu, and tell me what you think, a lot of controversial topics in those two episodes such as cloning and the vaccines.

 

The truth is out there, trust no one.

 

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