The Vaccine for Covid is coming fast

[hummingbird69]

I'll tell you why I won't take this vax

On one hand there are those who say "it works'!  then there are those who say its a murder weapon.  Now I think we can all agree that the vax was rushed Yes?  So when the talking heads say things like "vaccines are part of life we taken them for a lot of things"  that's true but those vaccines took years to create and I feel that this vaccine is really what would be a stepping stone to a much better vax had the time that was needed to complete it been taken plus there are absolutely no studies on long term effects being done at all because it hasn't even been enough time for that. Who knows what this shit will do to you years from now.

Further, there are thousands and thousands of people having terrible side effects from it including paralysis heart problems and death.

Now, If that wasn't enough of a reason to stay away from it there are those who say the vax is full of bad ingredients that can cause all manner of harm so even if half or some of what those people say is true I do not need this vax especially when I'm healthy and young enough to get covid and probably have no symptoms. This is why I won't vax.

[BobDobbs]

1 hour ago, hummingbird69 said:

I'll tell you why I won't take this vax

On one hand there are those who say "it works'!  then there are those who say its a murder weapon.  Now I think we can all agree that the vax was rushed Yes?  So when the talking heads say things like "vaccines are part of life we taken them for a lot of things"  that's true but those vaccines took years to create and I feel that this vaccine is really what would be a stepping stone to a much better vax had the time that was needed to complete it been taken plus there are absolutely no studies on long term effects being done at all because it hasn't even been enough time for that. Who knows what this shit will do to you years from now.

Further, there are thousands and thousands of people having terrible side effects from it including paralysis heart problems and death.

Now, If that wasn't enough of a reason to stay away from it there are those who say the vax is full of bad ingredients that can cause all manner of harm so even if half or some of what those people say is true I do not need this vax especially when I'm healthy and young enough to get covid and probably have no symptoms. This is why I won't vax.

Not sure where you are getting your "information" from but it is simply not true. Thousands have not had terrible side affects such as paralysis or death, in fact the vaccine is safer than both the smallpox & polio vaccines. Do you know what exactly is in the MMR vaccine? How about a tetanus shot? Or how about Viagra, do you know the mechanism and properties which make that work?

BTW are you aware ever single one of those right leaning news outlets spreading this nonsense have vaccine & mask mandates? Everyone at Fox News is fully vaccinated including Tucker Carlson. Do you think Trump and his family would all be fully vaccinated right now if it were unsafe?

I for one give Trump credit for Operation Warp Speed and getting the vaccine out. That right there is without a doubt a big accomplishment and Trump should be given credit for his part in the process.

That being said nothing is 100% safe and affective. Even a virgin woman can get pregnant and give birth. It's rare but happens in about 1% births and happens when a single ovum just decides to begin cell division without the introduction of a sperm. The child born of a virgin birth is always female and essentially a clone of the mother. 

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

[JohnOsbourne]

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States (nih.gov)

[1975NQ]

On 10/19/2021 at 12:35 AM, SteveAJones said:

Perhaps I blend in easily. This is me. Deal with it.

Steve,  we don't wanna see the pics you look at when it's after 8pm ... 😂

[JohnOsbourne]

More science-following:

CDC Issued Last-Minute Changes to School Reopening Guidance After Being Asked by Teachers Unions, Emails Show (theepochtimes.com)

[SteveAJones]

3 hours ago, hummingbird69 said:

I'll tell you why I won't take this vax

On one hand there are those who say "it works'!  then there are those who say its a murder weapon.  Now I think we can all agree that the vax was rushed Yes?  So when the talking heads say things like "vaccines are part of life we taken them for a lot of things"  that's true but those vaccines took years to create and I feel that this vaccine is really what would be a stepping stone to a much better vax had the time that was needed to complete it been taken plus there are absolutely no studies on long term effects being done at all because it hasn't even been enough time for that. Who knows what this shit will do to you years from now.

Further, there are thousands and thousands of people having terrible side effects from it including paralysis heart problems and death.

Now, If that wasn't enough of a reason to stay away from it there are those who say the vax is full of bad ingredients that can cause all manner of harm so even if half or some of what those people say is true I do not need this vax especially when I'm healthy and young enough to get covid and probably have no symptoms. This is why I won't vax.

I don't like the protein spikes it induces, and booster shots only exacerbate that.

2 hours ago, BobDobbs said:

 Even a virgin woman can get pregnant and give birth. It's rare but happens in about 1% births and happens when a single ovum just decides to begin cell division without the introduction of a sperm. The child born of a virgin birth is always female and essentially a clone of the mother. 

This does NOT happen in the human species though.

1 hour ago, 1975NQ said:

Steve,  we don't wanna see the pics you look at when it's after 8pm ... 😂

You don't believe it's me? Live by your assumptions!

[hummingbird69]

1 hour ago, BobDobbs said:

Not sure where you are getting your "information" from but it is simply not true. Thousands have not had terrible side affects such as paralysis or death, in fact the vaccine is safer than both the smallpox & polio vaccines. Do you know what exactly is in the MMR vaccine? How about a tetanus shot? Or how about Viagra, do you know the mechanism and properties which make that work?

BTW are you aware ever single one of those right leaning news outlets spreading this nonsense have vaccine & mask mandates? Everyone at Fox News is fully vaccinated including Tucker Carlson. Do you think Trump and his family would all be fully vaccinated right now if it were unsafe?

I for one give Trump credit for Operation Warp Speed and getting the vaccine out. That right there is without a doubt a big accomplishment and Trump should be given credit for his part in the process.

That being said nothing is 100% safe and affective. Even a virgin woman can get pregnant and give birth. It's rare but happens in about 1% births and happens when a single ovum just decides to begin cell division without the introduction of a sperm. The child born of a virgin birth is always female and essentially a clone of the mother. 

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

You can believe what you want it's still a free country for the time being. 

First off, I don't do what politicians tell me to just because I may or may not have voted for them. The truth is nobody knows what long term affects this will have and I don't care who wants to be vaccinated its their choice so I don't know what you're on about concerning right wing news and people who got it. There are actual doctors and epidemiologists with long careers who do not think it was done right and others feel it's not safe. It's called a second opinion and dr fauci has flipflopped so many times I would have stopped going to him if he were my doctor. His lies are being exposed.

 as far as the news goes, I don't believe a f^@king thing the left news media says. Their lies are far to many and far to insane to take them seriously anymore. As far as rightwing news  when they show me video, emails and documents refuting leftwing bullshit I tend to go with it and what I feel is common sense over the lefts unfounded accusations, suppositions, innuendos and outright lies,  like The border is closed. The Afghan withdrawal was a success, trump was a spy, hunter bidens laptop was russian disinformation etc etc etc 

 

P.S. My buddy got covid after having both shots. If they were actually effective he wouldn't have gotten sick at all. We were hanging around right up until he said he had it and I haven't gotten sick.   I haven't had a case of the flu in the last 25 years that I can remember and I do not get a flu shot. I have no idea if I had covid because the cdc says millions had it with no symptoms. But you know what? I f I did have it I am now far better off with my own natural immunity than what the vaccine provides.

[SteveAJones]

2 minutes ago, hummingbird69 said:

P.S. My buddy got covid after having both shots. If they were actually effective he wouldn't have gotten sick at all. 

I agree with everything you said in principle, but from a factual standpoint that is simply untrue. The vaccine does not confer immunity, it simply reduces the likelihood of serious illness in the event one does become infected.

[Plant77]

4 hours ago, 1975NQ said:

But regarding your comment about respecting others and being mindful, I'm with you 100%. In my day-to-day life, most people I come across are pretty open-minded and respectful about the opinions of others. There's definitely discord all across the country, but I think our media exacerbates this for clicks. Gasoline on the fire is good for business.   

I would agree that we have lost a lot of the journalists who had integrity, and reported the news in an unbiased fashion. No doubt. But it is interesting that most people who compare news sites, or publications, or channels have very little knowledge of what reputable news outlets are required to do if they misreport a story and the facts of that story. It is an easy out to just say “ Fake News”. If people would investigate, and maybe read and watch outlets that are not of their beliefs we would all be able to communicate and learn from each other in a far better way. These tribal teams that most of us are on, it is just not healthy individually, or collectively. 
 

The older I get, the more I try and come from a place of compassion rather than anger and aggressiveness, the more open I am to learning and listening to other perspectives. And I like most young men was an egotistical, know it all, asshole. However, I will say that The NY Times, and the WSJ are not without fault, and I agree that the media pushes this divide and as a whole does not help with any sort of unity. But regardless of which party is in power in any branch of the government, if they fail, we fail. And to want a party to fail, and to actually have individuals go out of their way to help our elected officials fail is just down right dumb and perhaps dangerous.

I have spent a lot of time thinking of the generations of the past, and what they have gone through, and how they would feel, and would react to our current circumstances. Personally I can’t help but feel that our generation has fallen short of the expectations, and has not lived up to the legacy that they set for us. For the most part. Certainly we are far better off in many ways. But as a whole, we are also way behind what I and other like minded people think we should be as a society.

Cheers 1975NQ. 

[BobDobbs]

1 hour ago, SteveAJones said:

I don't like the protein spikes it induces, and booster shots only exacerbate that.

This does NOT happen in the human species though.

You don't believe it's me? Live by your assumptions!

Actually yes it does otherwise I would not have brought it up. The stats are readily available via a Google search.

 

[hummingbird69]

1 hour ago, SteveAJones said:

I agree with everything you said in principle, but from a factual standpoint that is simply untrue. The vaccine does not confer immunity, it simply reduces the likelihood of serious illness in the event one does become infected.

Vaccines are supposed to develop immunity. Can your body still pick up the virus? yes it can but a good vaccine will keep you from getting sick.

That is already my opinion but here is a cut and paste from the cdc

Vaccines prevent diseases that can be dangerous, or even deadly. Vaccines greatly reduce the risk of infection by working with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease. This fact sheet explains how the body fights infection and how vaccines work to protect people by producing immunity.

[SteveAJones]

7 minutes ago, hummingbird69 said:

Vaccines are supposed to develop immunity. Can your body still pick up the virus? yes it can but a good vaccine will keep you from getting sick.

That is already my opinion but here is a cut and paste from the cdc

Vaccines prevent diseases that can be dangerous, or even deadly. Vaccines greatly reduce the risk of infection by working with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease. This fact sheet explains how the body fights infection and how vaccines work to protect people by producing immunity.

Fair enough, but I feel the coronavirus leading to COVID-19 is an exception to this rule because it was bio-engineered in a lab. 

[BobDobbs]

11 hours ago, hummingbird69 said:

Vaccines are supposed to develop immunity. Can your body still pick up the virus? yes it can but a good vaccine will keep you from getting sick.

That is already my opinion but here is a cut and paste from the cdc

Vaccines prevent diseases that can be dangerous, or even deadly. Vaccines greatly reduce the risk of infection by working with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease. This fact sheet explains how the body fights infection and how vaccines work to protect people by producing immunity.

It depends on the virus. Take herpes as an example. That little bastard currently infects around 85% of the adult population (simplex I & II) and mutates into shingles for many people which is an absolutely debilitating condition. There is no cure and the Shingle Vaccine is only about 30% affective.

Not all virus are the same and some are tough little bastards. Many cancers start as viral infections (HPV for one) yet anti-viral drugs do not work and no vaccine has been developed for most though the HPV does have an affective vaccine at present..

I would say COVID is more akin to a very bad flu which can be fatal to some at a greater rate than the flu. Like the flu it mutates quickly and frequently which reduces vaccine efficacy over the mean curve due to the mutation rate. And just like the flu shot we will likely need an annual booster.

Edited October 22, 2021 by BobDobbs

[1975NQ]

12 hours ago, Plant77 said:

I would agree that we have lost a lot of the journalists who had integrity, and reported the news in an unbiased fashion. No doubt. But it is interesting that most people who compare news sites, or publications, or channels have very little knowledge of what reputable news outlets are required to do if they misreport a story and the facts of that story. It is an easy out to just say “ Fake News”. If people would investigate, and maybe read and watch outlets that are not of their beliefs we would all be able to communicate and learn from each other in a far better way. These tribal teams that most of us are on, it is just not healthy individually, or collectively. 
 

The older I get, the more I try and come from a place of compassion rather than anger and aggressiveness, the more open I am to learning and listening to other perspectives. And I like most young men was an egotistical, know it all, asshole. However, I will say that The NY Times, and the WSJ are not without fault, and I agree that the media pushes this divide and as a whole does not help with any sort of unity. But regardless of which party is in power in any branch of the government, if they fail, we fail. And to want a party to fail, and to actually have individuals go out of their way to help our elected officials fail is just down right dumb and perhaps dangerous.

I have spent a lot of time thinking of the generations of the past, and what they have gone through, and how they would feel, and would react to our current circumstances. Personally I can’t help but feel that our generation has fallen short of the expectations, and has not lived up to the legacy that they set for us. For the most part. Certainly we are far better off in many ways. But as a whole, we are also way behind what I and other like minded people think we should be as a society.

Cheers 1975NQ. 

Yep, agree with all that 100%. The older generations would be pretty disgusted. We have it soooo easy today compared to back then and take a lot for granted. And I think existing generations have gotten progressively lazier as thinkers which as you say leads to bad decision-making and dangerous/unhealthy times. Pretty sad.

[BobDobbs]

9 hours ago, 1975NQ said:

Yep, agree with all that 100%. The older generations would be pretty disgusted. We have it soooo easy today compared to back then and take a lot for granted. And I think existing generations have gotten progressively lazier as thinkers which as you say leads to bad decision-making and dangerous/unhealthy times. Pretty sad.

Problem started in 76' when the news stopped being funded by the government. The movie Network is all about this and foresaw the future of journalism and reporting decades before it would happen. Once the news had to advertise and run commercials it was game over. The money ruined the integrity of journalism like it ruins everything.

Those of us on this forum old enough to remember the time, pre 76', when for 30 minutes from 6pm-6:30pm then again at 10pm - 10:30pm (add an hour for east coast broadcast), the news was on, no commercials, just news. No money involved, no incentive for corruption. The days of Edward R Murrow & Walter Cronkite are long gone. The days of truth in broadcasting are dead and bloated like a washed up corpse.

 

[SteveAJones]

7 hours ago, BobDobbs said:

Problem started in 76' when the news stopped being funded by the government. The movie Network is all about this and foresaw the future of journalism and reporting decades before it would happen. Once the news had to advertise and run commercials it was game over. The money ruined the integrity of journalism like it ruins everything.

Those of us on this forum old enough to remember the time, pre 76', when for 30 minutes from 6pm-6:30pm then again at 10pm - 10:30pm (add an hour for east coast broadcast), the news was on, no commercials, just news. No money involved, no incentive for corruption. The days of Edward R Murrow & Walter Cronkite are long gone. The days of truth in broadcasting are dead and bloated like a washed up corpse.

IpMan, you are consistent I'll give you that. Yes, indeed an explanation for everything can be found within your own lifetime (all of your beliefs are self-referential) and the solution is always more government. Journalism was never pure -- one can find examples of yellow journalism in the 1700s. In my opinion, it is the way it is now because of the 24 hours news cycle, which I think you were alluding to, so on that point we are in agreement.   

[JohnOsbourne]

On 10/21/2021 at 11:24 PM, BobDobbs said:

Actually yes it does otherwise I would not have brought it up. The stats are readily available via a Google search.

 

It's called parthenogenesis, and according to wiki it's never been observed in humans (or mammals in general) in a controlled environment:

Parthenogenesis - Wikipedia

What's your point in bringing it up?

[JohnOsbourne]

First Trump followers took over Japan, now Sweden apparently:

Sweden Suspends Moderna Shot Indefinitely After Vaxxed Patients Develop Crippling Heart Condition | ZeroHedge

[SteveAJones]

3 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

It's called parthenogenesis, and according to wiki it's never been observed in humans (or mammals in general) in a controlled environment:

Parthenogenesis - Wikipedia

What's your point in bringing it up?

Generally speaking, BobDobbs is about as pointless as a Japanese wet t-shirt contest.

[SteveAJones]

3 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

First Trump followers took over Japan, now Sweden apparently:

Sweden Suspends Moderna Shot Indefinitely After Vaxxed Patients Develop Crippling Heart Condition | ZeroHedge

As I said a few posts up, I am very concerned about the spike proteins.

According to science, vaccine-induced spike proteins change heart cells, disrupting their functionality. This was observed specifically in the small blood vessel cells that surround the heart, although it was also found to occur elsewhere.

[1975NQ]

13 hours ago, BobDobbs said:

Problem started in 76' when the news stopped being funded by the government. The movie Network is all about this and foresaw the future of journalism and reporting decades before it would happen. Once the news had to advertise and run commercials it was game over. The money ruined the integrity of journalism like it ruins everything.

Those of us on this forum old enough to remember the time, pre 76', when for 30 minutes from 6pm-6:30pm then again at 10pm - 10:30pm (add an hour for east coast broadcast), the news was on, no commercials, just news. No money involved, no incentive for corruption. The days of Edward R Murrow & Walter Cronkite are long gone. The days of truth in broadcasting are dead and bloated like a washed up corpse.

 

Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know that, Network is one of my favorite movies. That scene with Ned Beatty is the best. 

[1975NQ]

5 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

IpMan, you are consistent I'll give you that. Yes, indeed an explanation for everything can be found within your own lifetime (all of your beliefs are self-referential) and the solution is always more government. Journalism was never pure -- one can find examples of yellow journalism in the 1700s. In my opinion, it is the way it is now because of the 24 hours news cycle, which I think you were alluding to, so on that point we are in agreement.   

You both bring up good points. There's a guy named Matt Taibbi  (a journalist himself) who has done a lot of writing and interviews on this subject in recent years. One of his main points is that when they first started broadcast news they were as dry as humanly possible intentionally. There were only 3 major networks back then, and in order to reach as many people as possible and keep all those demographics tuned in, the idea was keep it simple and unbiased.

With our current system of God knows how many cable and streaming outlets that cater to specific political and social demographics, it's now a completely different game. 

[JohnOsbourne]

1 hour ago, SteveAJones said:

As I said a few posts up, I am very concerned about the spike proteins.

According to science, vaccine-induced spike proteins change heart cells, disrupting their functionality. This was observed specifically in the small blood vessel cells that surround the heart, although it was also found to occur elsewhere.

Yes.  The spike protein is wrapped around an ordinary corona virus, and is what raises suspicions that covid-19 was bio-engineered.  ALL of the vaccines are based on the spike protein, not live virus, which further raises suspicions that the vaccines were developed first, with the "virus" being released later to rationalize mass deployment of the "cure" (as well as mass inflation of Big Pharma's bank accounts, although this obviously goes way above any individual industry).

[JohnOsbourne]

Very fluid "science":

CDC Director: “We may need to update our definition of ‘fully vaccinated’” – OffGuardian (off-guardian.org)

I wonder if there's anyone so stupid as to think that they're not going to push for an endless routine of "booster shots"?  Mix-and-match away, boys!

[JohnOsbourne]

Fully vaccinated, or fooly vaccinated?