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11 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

I think the vaccinated should drop their Shakespeare act:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks

Don't you have some mixing and matching to do?

and I think the un-vaccinated can keep their cooties to themselves. I have enough nonsense to deal with without having to deal with COVID as well.

Mixing? Well if you like I can provide you with an absolutely, 100% authentic Sazerac recipe if you like. They key to a good Sazerac is the use of Peychaud's Bitters 🙂  

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23 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

I think the vaccinated should drop their Shakespeare act:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks

Don't you have some mixing and matching to do?

Just curious John, should we not be protecting people, not getting vaccinated, and not worrying about anything? Out of the 700k plus deaths, which I will admit is probably not entirely accurate, are we just overwhelmed, and overreacting to an overblown flu? 
 

I truly am asking and not being disrespectful, or argumentative. I have read your posts, you seem very intelligent, and well read, even if you are reading straight slanted view points such as Zerohedge and so forth. But what exactly are you communicating with your beliefs. I ask this because I have a very definitive thought as to what I believe we should be doing. It does not involve shut downs, starting it restarting anything. We should take care of those most at risk, wear masks when needed, and the vaccine, which I have never had any shot of any kind not related to school shots and the like, I believe that if we all moved in that direction it would be for the good of the people. And I am not saying I’m right. In the city’s and states that they are not doing these things, well, they are being hammered. 
 

I appreciate your thoughts, I hope to read what your response and reaction would be to this very real sickness. If you believe that it was a hoax, or to somehow manipulate the masses, or some sort of government control. What would the end game be in that, what would be the benefit of that be. If those are your thoughts, how many governments were involved. It would seem to be a massive undertaking to have one government, especially our incompetent government pull off something like that. Especially the incompetent left. I could totally be misreading all of your posts and not understanding them. 
 

cheers JohnOsbourne! 

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21 minutes ago, Plant77 said:

Just curious John, should we not be protecting people, not getting vaccinated, and not worrying about anything? Out of the 700k plus deaths, which I will admit is probably not entirely accurate, are we just overwhelmed, and overreacting to an overblown flu? 
 

I truly am asking and not being disrespectful, or argumentative. I have read your posts, you seem very intelligent, and well read, even if you are reading straight slanted view points such as Zerohedge and so forth. But what exactly are you communicating with your beliefs. I ask this because I have a very definitive thought as to what I believe we should be doing. It does not involve shut downs, starting it restarting anything. We should take care of those most at risk, wear masks when needed, and the vaccine, which I have never had any shot of any kind not related to school shots and the like, I believe that if we all moved in that direction it would be for the good of the people. And I am not saying I’m right. In the city’s and states that they are not doing these things, well, they are being hammered. 
 

I appreciate your thoughts, I hope to read what your response and reaction would be to this very real sickness. If you believe that it was a hoax, or to somehow manipulate the masses, or some sort of government control. What would the end game be in that, what would be the benefit of that be. If those are your thoughts, how many governments were involved. It would seem to be a massive undertaking to have one government, especially our incompetent government pull off something like that. Especially the incompetent left. I could totally be misreading all of your posts and not understanding them. 
 

cheers JohnOsbourne! 

I believe the virus is real, but the response has been blown way out of proportion to the actual threat it poses to the bulk of the population.  It is mainly a risk to certain, clearly identifiable demographics (the elderly with preexisting health problems, it is irrelevant that you can find a few, young healthy individuals that have succumbed) who should be the focus of public health policy.  There is absolutely no justification for imposing lock-downs and economic shutdowns (which have unquestionably contributed to the elevated death toll while offering no discernible benefit) and mandating (under threat of losing jobs, access to basic necessities, etc.) the use of an experimental vaccine on demographics who have no real risk.  The media has fomented hysteria over the disease from the start, and they have lost what little credibility and trustworthiness they had remaining.  Political liberals have similarly bankrupted their moral capital by embracing the very things (mass surveillance, crony capitalism, etc.) they once claimed to oppose.  Public officials have been exposed repeatedly as frauds throughout.  And a large percentage of citizens prefer to chant slogans ("following the science", etc.) to rational, skeptical thought about all of this.  There is almost no American institution that has any kind of legitimacy remaining, which is why the system is so dependent on non-stop propaganda and intimidation.  This is the true cost of covid.  Literally anything different from what the US actually did here would have been a superior policy.

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1 hour ago, JohnOsbourne said:

I believe the virus is real, but the response has been blown way out of proportion to the actual threat it poses to the bulk of the population.  It is mainly a risk to certain, clearly identifiable demographics (the elderly with preexisting health problems, it is irrelevant that you can find a few, young healthy individuals that have succumbed) who should be the focus of public health policy.  There is absolutely no justification for imposing lock-downs and economic shutdowns (which have unquestionably contributed to the elevated death toll while offering no discernible benefit) and mandating (under threat of losing jobs, access to basic necessities, etc.) the use of an experimental vaccine on demographics who have no real risk.  The media has fomented hysteria over the disease from the start, and they have lost what little credibility and trustworthiness they had remaining.  Political liberals have similarly bankrupted their moral capital by embracing the very things (mass surveillance, crony capitalism, etc.) they once claimed to oppose.  Public officials have been exposed repeatedly as frauds throughout.  And a large percentage of citizens prefer to chant slogans ("following the science", etc.) to rational, skeptical thought about all of this.  There is almost no American institution that has any kind of legitimacy remaining, which is why the system is so dependent on non-stop propaganda and intimidation.  This is the true cost of covid.  Literally anything different from what the US actually did here would have been a superior policy.

Come on now, that is absolutely untrue. A report was just issued which shows states without mandates and with low vaccination rates are doing FAR worse dealing with COVID than states with mandates and high vaccine numbers. I am not talking by a small margin either. Currently COVID is the #1 cause of death in AZ and most states without mandates, whereas it is no higher than #3 in states with mandates and higher vaccination rates.

If that is not proof enough, there will never be enough proof

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8 hours ago, BobDobbs said:

Come on now, that is absolutely untrue. A report was just issued which shows states without mandates and with low vaccination rates are doing FAR worse dealing with COVID than states with mandates and high vaccine numbers. I am not talking by a small margin either. Currently COVID is the #1 cause of death in AZ and most states without mandates, whereas it is no higher than #3 in states with mandates and higher vaccination rates.

If that is not proof enough, there will never be enough proof

Well, there's the experience of Sweden re. lock-downs, and Israel re. vaccines.  But post a link to this report you're referring to, so it can be evaluated.

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3 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

Well, there's the experience of Sweden re. lock-downs, and Israel re. vaccines.  But post a link to this report you're referring to, so it can be evaluated.

Here ya go, took me all of 3.4 seconds of a Google search. 

COVID-19 death rate more than 4x higher in low vaccinated states (kmbc.com)

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1 hour ago, BobDobbs said:

Here ya go, took me all of 3.4 seconds of a Google search. 

COVID-19 death rate more than 4x higher in low vaccinated states (kmbc.com)

LOL, from the opening paragraph:

The average rate of COVID-19 deaths in the 10 least vaccinated states was more than four times higher over the past week than the rate in the 10 most vaccinated states, according to a CNN analysis.

Leaving aside what a "CNN analysis" entails, how is "the past week" relevant to anything?  Talk about cherry-picking.  This was completely absent from your original claim.  Dishonest, as usual.

 

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4 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

LOL, from the opening paragraph:

The average rate of COVID-19 deaths in the 10 least vaccinated states was more than four times higher over the past week than the rate in the 10 most vaccinated states, according to a CNN analysis.

Leaving aside what a "CNN analysis" entails, how is "the past week" relevant to anything?  Talk about cherry-picking.  This was completely absent from your original claim.  Dishonest, as usual.

 

Sure, whatever you say. The sky is also pink and cats can actually talk too.

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15 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

News from Australia:

"Stop Medical Apartheid!" - Police Passive As Huge Crowd Protests Australia's Draconian Pandemic Powers Bill | ZeroHedge

I thought the covid crack-down was all done there?  I guess "Victoria" and all.

Daniel Andrews and his government will most likely be voted out at the next Victorian state election.

The Premier and their ministers of all Australian state governments and to a lesser extent local governments are accountable to the people and a change is long overdue in some areas and, unlike other countries the majority of our citizens vote. 

International and domestic travel has commenced for the fully vaccinated.

NSW has a new leader and he brought in many changes in his first week including mandating no more extreme lockdowns and abolishing compulsory hotel quarantine for returning expats they now quarantine at their homes instead. Of course this another example of positivity that wasn't reported by Zerohedge, so no surprises there.

Just to clarify, lockdowns may be brought in where necessary in the event of a breakout but they will only be for a few days to lessen the impact.

Crackdowns weren't as severe in NSW compared to other states. 

Last week I caught a train for the first time in a long time. There was a police presence (which is nothing new), patrolling the train checking tickets and except for one person not wearing a mask it was a non issue. The person had one but forgot to put it on so he donned it, the cops thanked him and moved on. No scene or heavy handedness. There were teams of cleaners sanitising hand rails, doors and other touch areas etc. as well. Another commonsense approach.

What is happening in NZ? Who knows? Adern is a bit of a worry but it's their problem to sort out.

Our borders are slowly opening up again with the whole continent expected to be open in early 2022.

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9 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

Nothing says "commonsense" like forcing people who have received a "safe and effective" vaccine to continue wearing masks.

I could be wrong but I thought the masks were to help keep the un-vaccinated safe. I live in a pretty liberal mountain town and very few people are wearing masks. Some business still are requiring them and no one seems to mind, but those where I live who are vaccinated really don't care if people mask or not as they are protected.

At this point it is really Darwin Awards time so I say remove any existing mandates and let nature take it's course. If people do not want to get vaccinated I say fine, whatever, me and my friends and family are all fully vaccinated so no fear here.

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50 minutes ago, BobDobbs said:

I could be wrong but I thought the masks were to help keep the un-vaccinated safe. I live in a pretty liberal mountain town and very few people are wearing masks. Some business still are requiring them and no one seems to mind, but those where I live who are vaccinated really don't care if people mask or not as they are protected.

At this point it is really Darwin Awards time so I say remove any existing mandates and let nature take it's course. If people do not want to get vaccinated I say fine, whatever, me and my friends and family are all fully vaccinated so no fear here.

I know you don't believe any of this crap (about keeping people "safe"), and I doubt anyone else here thinks you do either.  So why do you keep trying?

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1 hour ago, BobDobbs said:

I could be wrong but I thought the masks were to help keep the un-vaccinated safe. I live in a pretty liberal mountain town and very few people are wearing masks. Some business still are requiring them and no one seems to mind, but those where I live who are vaccinated really don't care if people mask or not as they are protected.

At this point it is really Darwin Awards time so I say remove any existing mandates and let nature take it's course. If people do not want to get vaccinated I say fine, whatever, me and my friends and family are all fully vaccinated so no fear here.

Exactly. They are to protect the unvaccinated. Just because one is vaccinated doesn't mean they can't spread the virus and there are a lot of asymptomatic people out there. Vaccines only offer protection from getting ill. nothing more

It amazes me that apart from the few who actually have a phobia about needles or have a valid medical exemption, the excuses for not being inoculated are quite bizarre. For example, microchips (that could only be seen under a powerful microscope),  DNA altering and my personal favourite, the mark of the beast. I wonder if the latter ever considered that the vaccine(s) were sent by God. They are akin to those who don't vote yet constantly complain and criticise the government yet, they may have been able to change things if only they got off their arses and voted. 

Would the very same people who advocated against vaccinations have a change of mind if they caught Covid and ended up in ICU attached to a ventilator? 

I agree that vaccinations should not be mandated nor a condition of employment but voluntary. My body, my choice. Unfortunately governments and corporations don't share that view.

 

 

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1 hour ago, JohnOsbourne said:

Never has nor will it ever occur where I live.

This taken from Zerosense. “SPER was undertaking “active enforcement” on another 18.4 per cent of fines, worth about $1 million, which a spokesman said “may include garnishing bank accounts or wages, registering charges over property, or suspending driver licences”. The remaining 25.2 per cent of fines were either under investigation or still open to payment without further action being taken.

Misleading. The headline implies they are doing this now, not that they may in the future. Queensland like Victoria and W.A. have always taken a hardline and obviously it's just revenue raising and that's why I would never reside there.

Wtf is happening in the good old USA, you know the land of the free? Ironically, nothing is free, not even basic medical care and it's a wonder you don't have to pay for the air you breathe.

Harvard Business College, the bastion of American Capitalism, has a lot to answer for. Is it mere coincidence that most if not all corporate criminals graduated from that esteemed institution?

A good example of American commonsense was the Sub Prime Lending Scheme (read as fiasco), that failed miserably and forced repossession of peoples homes with many (presumably), becoming homeless.

You wouldn't know commonsense even if it bit you on the arse..

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17 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

I know you don't believe any of this crap (about keeping people "safe"), and I doubt anyone else here thinks you do either.  So why do you keep trying?

Oh, so now you are psychic too? Where do you get off telling me what I believe. 

I was trying to be nice, trying to let your nonsense Zerohedge propaganda slide because anyone with half a brain cell knows ZeroHedge is ridiculous tripe. But now you claim to know what I believe?

Fact is I do indeed think wearing masks keep people safe because, CLUE, if they did not why would doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers wear them all the rime, even pre-pandemic? The very idea masks do nothing is the belief of an idiot. On top of that, you attack other nations you do not live in and argue with those who actually live there. How stupid is that? I know, it's monumentally stupid. What I feely admit is no longer giving a single shit if the un-vaccinated catch the illness and die because they had their chance. Screw the dopes, the world will be a much better place without them.

Kinda like when Steve and I go back and forth. The only time I bring up Japanese policy is when I am 100% sure and have multiple LEGITIMATE sources which back it up and even then I rarely do that out of simple respect. I don't live in Japan, Steve does thus I defer to his expertise on the matter and I sure as hell would never call the Japanese people sheep or stupid for following or allowing a particular policy, it's simply not my place.

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"Fact is I do indeed think wearing masks keep people safe because, CLUE, if they did not why would doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers wear them all the rime, even pre-pandemic? The very idea masks do nothing is the belief of an idiot."

As an environmental health specialist, there is a HELL of a difference between a professionally fitted and tested N95 mask that is used in hospitals versus the the cloth rag dropping off your nose that grandma made!

 

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Heh...this from the liberal god of viruses himself (source is Newsweek hardly a bastion of conservative reporting):

Fauci Said Masks 'Not Really Effective in Keeping Out Virus,' Email Reveals

BY DARRAGH ROCHE ON 6/2/21 AT 4:59 AM EDT

Dr. Anthony Fauci wrote in February 2020 that store-bought face masks would not be very effective at protecting against the COVID-19 pandemic and advised a traveler not to wear one.

The Washington Post and BuzzFeed News have obtained hundreds of pages of Fauci's emails through the Freedom of Information Act, revealing more about the early days of the pandemic.

In one message, Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, replies to an email from Sylvia Burwell, believed to be the Sylvia Burwell who was health and human services secretary for three years under President Barack Obama. Burwell had asked for advice about wearing face masks while traveling. Fauci's reply is dated February 5, 2020, and is available in a document cloud provided by Buzzfeed.

 

Fauci wrote: "Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

He added: "I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location."

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20 hours ago, Reggie29 said:

Never has nor will it ever occur where I live.

This taken from Zerosense. “SPER was undertaking “active enforcement” on another 18.4 per cent of fines, worth about $1 million, which a spokesman said “may include garnishing bank accounts or wages, registering charges over property, or suspending driver licences”. The remaining 25.2 per cent of fines were either under investigation or still open to payment without further action being taken.

Misleading. The headline implies they are doing this now, not that they may in the future. Queensland like Victoria and W.A. have always taken a hardline and obviously it's just revenue raising and that's why I would never reside there.

Wtf is happening in the good old USA, you know the land of the free? Ironically, nothing is free, not even basic medical care and it's a wonder you don't have to pay for the air you breathe.

Harvard Business College, the bastion of American Capitalism, has a lot to answer for. Is it mere coincidence that most if not all corporate criminals graduated from that esteemed institution?

A good example of American commonsense was the Sub Prime Lending Scheme (read as fiasco), that failed miserably and forced repossession of peoples homes with many (presumably), becoming homeless.

You wouldn't know commonsense even if it bit you on the arse..

First of all, nothing is "free", anywhere on earth, since all goods are scarce.  Only an economic ignoramus thinks that, e.g. government-provided health care is "free" in any way.  These things have to be paid for somehow, by someone.  Governments have no magical resources, only taxation or inflation (i.e. other people's money).

If you want to criticize American crony capitalism, you won't get any argument from me.  It's a criminal system run by the globalist banksters.  (LOL at your reference to Harvard, try Wall Street.)  But kindly explain how Australia is much different.  It's a neo-liberal state, just like America (or Canada, or Western Europe, etc.).  And the American oligarchs are precisely the people who are profiting from/exploiting this crisis (indeed, they probably engineered it).  However, you won't see me excusing/rationalizing anything going on here in America, like you do for Australia.  

 

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1 hour ago, JohnOsbourne said:

First of all, nothing is "free", anywhere on earth, since all goods are scarce.  Only an economic ignoramus thinks that, e.g. government-provided health care is "free" in any way.  These things have to be paid for somehow, by someone.  Governments have no magical resources, only taxation or inflation (i.e. other people's money).

If you want to criticize American crony capitalism, you won't get any argument from me.  It's a criminal system run by the globalist banksters.  (LOL at your reference to Harvard, try Wall Street.)  But kindly explain how Australia is much different.  It's a neo-liberal state, just like America (or Canada, or Western Europe, etc.).  And the American oligarchs are precisely the people who are profiting from/exploiting this crisis (indeed, they probably engineered it).  However, you won't see me excusing/rationalizing anything going on here in America, like you do for Australia.  

We do have free hospital and medical care here as well through the public health system and what you call medical insurance. My taxes have paid for all of those services. They're called Medicare and Medicare Private and there are many other private health funds. Our vaccinations are free as well as Covid testing.

Education is also free through the public school system and like health care there are private schools and universities available.

Once people have retired they receive a pension from the government, tax free along with other benefits such as free car registration and licence renewal, free travel for long trips twice a year and concessions for city and metropolitan public transport.

We also have superannuation where the employer pays 10% of salaries / wages into a fund with the option of employees to contribute whatever they wish.

I am proud to be an Australian living in the best country on the planet, bar none and I'll defend it to the death.

Our system is similar in many ways to the U.K., U.S.A., Canada etc. However we are not neo-liberal (whatever that is, although I know it  means new liberal), the difference to all other countries is we actually care and look out for all our people, even the idiots, by providing the above services. We believe they are basic human rights, not privileges.

Your ignorance of my country beggars belief yet you criticise it ad nauseum and make ridiculous statements based on assumptions and believe everything but the truth.

Onya Gollum.

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42 minutes ago, Reggie29 said:

We do have free hospital and medical care here as well through the public health system and what you call medical insurance. My taxes have paid for all of those services. They're called Medicare and Medicare Private and there are many other private health funds. Our vaccinations are free as well as Covid testing.

Education is also free through the public school system and like health care there are private schools and universities available.

Once people have retired they receive a pension from the government, tax free along with other benefits such as free car registration and licence renewal, free travel for long trips twice a year and concessions for city and metropolitan public transport.

We also have superannuation where the employer pays 10% of salaries / wages into a fund with the option of employees to contribute whatever they wish.

I am proud to be an Australian living in the best country on the planet, bar none and I'll defend it to the death.

Our system is similar in many ways to the U.K., U.S.A., Canada etc. However we are not neo-liberal (whatever that is, although I know it  means new liberal), the difference to all other countries is we actually care and look out for all our people, even the idiots, by providing the above services. We believe they are basic human rights, not privileges.

Your ignorance of my country beggars belief yet you criticise it ad nauseum and make ridiculous statements based on assumptions and believe everything but the truth.

Onya Gollum.

Orwell would have had a field day with you.  We should start calling you Parsons.

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46 minutes ago, Reggie29 said:

We do have free hospital and medical care here as well through the public health system and what you call medical insurance. My taxes have paid for all of those services. They're called Medicare and Medicare Private and there are many other private health funds. Our vaccinations are free as well as Covid testing.

Education is also free through the public school system and like health care there are private schools and universities available.

Once people have retired they receive a pension from the government, tax free along with other benefits such as free car registration and licence renewal, free travel for long trips twice a year and concessions for city and metropolitan public transport.

We also have superannuation where the employer pays 10% of salaries / wages into a fund with the option of employees to contribute whatever they wish.

I am proud to be an Australian living in the best country on the planet, bar none and I'll defend it to the death.

Our system is similar in many ways to the U.K., U.S.A., Canada etc. However we are not neo-liberal (whatever that is, although I know it  means new liberal), the difference to all other countries is we actually care and look out for all our people, even the idiots, by providing the above services. We believe they are basic human rights, not privileges.

Your ignorance of my country beggars belief yet you criticise it ad nauseum and make ridiculous statements based on assumptions and believe everything but the truth.

Onya Gollum.

Orwell would have had a field day with you.  We should start calling you Parsons.

Totally worth fighting for:

Unpaid Covid fines will be taken from bank accounts and seized homes in Queensland | Daily Mail Online

Maybe you can do your patriotic duty and help seize assets?

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