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2 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

A bit OT, but another good example of "trusting the science":

Top Physicist Admits "Distant Star" Photo Was Actually Chorizo | ZeroHedge

John, I truly do dig a lot of what you have to say on music, your thoughts and opinions related to it. I think you are stretching here. Is everything in your life red or blue? Is it all dark, is someone is out to get you. I really encourage you to start looking at life from another perspective. Get off of Zero credibility, and start looking into things that make you uncomfortable. For example, the the thread from and Article from { The Hill } that I posted. We can all grab statistics from many different publications and come to different conclusions. This ideology that one party is better than the other, and that some orange man had your back and was for you is utter crap. 
 

I would absolutely love to have a serious debate with you, to present actual facts and not alternative facts, as they do not exist. You are on a Covid thread talking about space pictures. I get where you are coming from. But when you post these types of stories from the least credible Blog site it doesn’t look good. Zero Hedge/creditably regardless of the story is leaning on way, and has literally no credibility at all. That is like someone from the left posting a story from Huffington Post. Except they actually fact check shit. But if you read an article that I posted from that publication you would immediately call bullshit. Even if it had relevance, and truth, and facts. I understand what you are going for with this post, it is just out there as you implied and not relevant.
 

Maybe I am reading too  much into what you posted, I just can’t help but go back through your posts and see all the shit that comes from that site. It’s a blog, you could be a blogger for them. Please show me any credible publication that says they are fair, or balanced, and that they report their staff and correct their mistakes when made. Even if what you posted is accurate, it is far worse then any far left publication that you are so quick to call out. 
 

Be well. Have a great weekend. 

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2 minutes ago, shnflacwav said:

Although it is off topic, I want to address one thing with this murder rate. First, yes we have a murder problem. However, it really isn't an indication of a state issue when you look at the population centers within the state. Missouri, for example, has a high murder rate and is a red state. HOWEVER, 90% of the murders are committed in KC and STL, both blue run. The counties composing those two urban areas are only 47% of the state's overall population, so I would say it isn't a state issue like Newscum like to portray, but an urban area problem, and most are run by democrats. And, anything will have a high rate in MS, there is only 2.9M people in the whole state - LOL. Most murders are in Jackson - blue run.

P.S. The right doesn't have conspiracy theories. Most come true, so we like to call them spoiler alerts.

Carry on.

 

That’s rich. How about just look at the article. You are absolutely incorrect. Just as all of the poorest states, and states that are most reliant on welfare are Red States. You can try and spin it anyway you want. Blue states take care of Red states. The absolute poorest, crime ridden, least educated states in the union are Red. How about you start posting facts. I easily can. My point is, it’s not red or blue. We are all citizens of the United States. But if we want to talk facts, look at economics, look at crime, and look at the actual facts, it is uncomfortable for people who lean to the right. I will also be clear, I’m not saying that the left/blue is better. I personally just feel the right is moving in a dangerous direction and like to put everything on the left and act like they are the cause. Let’s just for fun go back to 1990 and look at all that has happened. What metric would you like to use. I will gladly play along. 
 

How about we all try and do better for each other. Rather then have this team mentality. It’s not the responsible thing to do. Or stay in your corner and believe all the bullshit that you are being force fed from all of the shit blogs, news sites, publications and programs you consume. 
 

If you want to talk economics, social programs, crime, recessions, and really dive into into it. Let’s do that. It is easy to find and read. 

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16 hours ago, Plant77 said:

Mississippi — a state that neither conjures up weak on crime images nor Democratic officeholders — topped the charts with a 2020 murder rate twice that of blue Illinois, thrice that of bluer California, and four times that of bluest New York. The red states of Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama and Missouri rounded out the top five and each had murder rates at least six times Massachusetts, four times New Jersey and just shy of twice that of Michigan. These blue states are home to the “crime-is-out-of-control” cities you read about daily — Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Newark and Detroit. They generate the headlines, the outrage and the political backlash.

Yet, media coverage is essentially mum about Lexington, Kentucky, which has set back-to-back murder records, has a homicide rate twice that of New York City and has a Republican mayor. Tulsa and Oklahoma City have Republican mayors, a Republican governor and murder rates that dwarf that of Los Angeles. Jacksonville was the murder capital of Florida in 2020 with its Republican mayor, governor and a stratospheric homicide rate that if it were matched in New York City would’ve added more than 1,000 murders that year.

And to top it off, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) Bakersfield, the largest city in Kern County and one with a Republican mayor — with overwhelming Trump support and not a whiff of flirtation with defund the police movements. In fact, the murder capital of California for six years running is sleepy Kern County130 miles from Los Angeles and 306 miles from San Francisco, the two California locales most often associated with the crime-is-out-of-control national headlines that have dominated U.S. crime  and political coverage.

There are murder rates, and then there is perspective. Yes, Lexington, KY had 35 homicides in 2021. Chicago, IL had 836.

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58 minutes ago, Plant77 said:

That’s rich. How about just look at the article. You are absolutely incorrect. Just as all of the poorest states, and states that are most reliant on welfare are Red States. You can try and spin it anyway you want. Blue states take care of Red states.

Time to rebut that community college level talking point once and for all. Where do you think the vast majority of farming and food production occurs in this country? 

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9 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

Time to rebut that community college level talking point once and for all. Where do you think the vast majority of farming and food production occurs in this country? 

Yes.  It is true that "blue" states pay more in taxes than they receive from the Federal Government, while for "red" states this is reversed.  However this is a very strange thing for liberals to object to, because it's entirely because of the progressive taxation system they support!  In fact it's reflected within states (urban vs rural), not just between them.  I.e., richer people (who, by the nature of the progressive system pay more taxes) tend to live in urban/blue areas, while poorer people (who again, by the nature of the progressive system pay less taxes) tend to live in rural/red ares.  However, it's ridiculous to claim that urban/blue areas "subsidize/support" rural/red areas, the reverse is likely more true.  (And it's even more absurd to claim that the well-known financial train-wreck conditions of cities and blue states are because of tax imbalances with conservative regions.  It's their appalling profligacy that's to blame.)

BTW, murder rates in America follow a demographic pattern that is very identifiable if you're not blinded by PC.  And there is a common denominator in poor Southern rural areas and rich Northern urban centers, for anyone who cares to open their eyes.

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On 7/29/2022 at 7:42 AM, tmtomh said:

Just stumbled upon this thread. Wow. Plant, Page, and Jones would be aghast that the official forum of their band is hosting the misinformation, conspiracy mongering, and rightwing lunacy evident in this thread.

 

@sam_webmaster, I take it you're aware of this dumpster fire?

Uh-oh, the forum police are here;  everyone, quick, hide your stash!

On a more serious note, I will say this re. Zep:  avoiding UK residency in the 70's for tax purposes does not exactly scream "bleeding heart liberal".

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8 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

Time to rebut that community college level talking point once and for all. Where do you think the vast majority of farming and food production occurs in this country? 

That’s funny. Easy to read which states are the most reliant on welfare. As far as farming, I live in one of the richest farming areas in the country, Ca produces the most vegetables. Fruit, I believe that Ca is 3rd in Beef production. Certainly there is far more to farming then the 3 mentioned. But for you to try and deny facts is just ridiculous. The state that I live in is the 5th largest economy in the world. The top 10 poorest states are absolutely Red states. Crime is also based on a per capita rating. As an example East Palo Alto was the Murder capitol of the country in the early 1990’s, there are less then 10k people who lived there. Call it Community College, or just look at facts. 

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On 8/5/2022 at 7:58 AM, Plant77 said:

Man, the right can sure conspiracy. They are also without a doubt the best at calling the other party out for what their own failures are, as well as claiming responsibility for the successes of the other party, and they are 100% the best scare tactics, fear mongering.  Just so we are clear Murder rates and crime rates are higher in Red States. Below is a small snipped from an article from The Hill. But I suppose in a segment of the Right truth no longer matters. Just spread crap and blame the other side. 

 

For the last two years, the nation has been awash in news accounts about soaring violent crime and murder in cities and states run by Democrats. That narrative is ubiquitous, particularly in conservative media, where Democratic mayors are routinely called out and excoriated for turning a blind eye to crime. That story is half right and half — to be charitable — lazy and wrong.

Let’s dispatch with the part that is correct. We have a murder problem in America,

Now, for the rest of the story. In a report Third Way recently released, we found that murder was much more prevalent in red states than blue states. That’s right. In 2020, homicide rates were a stunning 40 percent higher in the 25 states that former President Donald Trump won compared to the 25 won by current President Joe Biden. Of the 10 states with the highest 2020 per capita murder rates in America, eight of them not only voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, they voted Republican in every presidential election this century.

Mississippi — a state that neither conjures up weak on crime images nor Democratic officeholders — topped the charts with a 2020 murder rate twice that of blue Illinois, thrice that of bluer California, and four times that of bluest New York. The red states of Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama and Missouri rounded out the top five and each had murder rates at least six times Massachusetts, four times New Jersey and just shy of twice that of Michigan. These blue states are home to the “crime-is-out-of-control” cities you read about daily — Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Newark and Detroit. They generate the headlines, the outrage and the political backlash.

Yet, media coverage is essentially mum about Lexington, Kentucky, which has set back-to-back murder records, has a homicide rate twice that of New York City and has a Republican mayor. Tulsa and Oklahoma City have Republican mayors, a Republican governor and murder rates that dwarf that of Los Angeles. Jacksonville was the murder capital of Florida in 2020 with its Republican mayor, governor and a stratospheric homicide rate that if it were matched in New York City would’ve added more than 1,000 murders that year.

And to top it off, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) Bakersfield, the largest city in Kern County and one with a Republican mayor — with overwhelming Trump support and not a whiff of flirtation with defund the police movements. In fact, the murder capital of California for six years running is sleepy Kern County130 miles from Los Angeles and 306 miles from San Francisco, the two California locales most often associated with the crime-is-out-of-control national headlines that have dominated U.S. crime  and political coverage.

just a couple of points if I may, you cite third way as your go to media source, wikipedia states " third way originated in washington dc in 2005 as a re-evaluation of political policies within various centre-left progressive movements" enough said! thank you for correcting me on California, your state, I thought  gov. was a liberal, progressive ,  democrat but clearly he must be a republican, cities like  New York, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, LA, San Fran, where crime and murder have been ignored by the media must all be run by republicans lol. Crime is up everywhere, I would guess every state because of Biden and the democrats war on police, District Attorneys who refuse to prosecute, and perhaps the biggest reason is Biden and the democrats open border policy, yup let anyone come on in, men, women , children, bring their drugs, their unchecked diseases, some are truly bad dudes whose countries are only to happy to pull out of jail and dump through our open borders, then  and third way won't tell you this  but team Biden puts them on airplanes and dumps them all over the country, red states and blue states, so yes crime is  sky rocketing and  a third grader would be able to figure out why, its policy  driven, its by design, its on purpose and until people  smarten up   , think for themselves, shut off big tech and media, this trend will only continue to get worse

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10 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

Uh-oh, the forum police are here;  everyone, quick, hide your stash!

On a more serious note, I will say this re. Zep:  avoiding UK residency in the 70's for tax purposes does not exactly scream "bleeding heart liberal".

the funny thing is after 5 million deaths, 2 covid shots, boosters, children now being asked to get vaxxed, masks don't work to  lets wear 2 masks, etc.... who is spreading the misinformation  around and who is blindly following like sheep? news for the masses, its ok to ask questions from bureaucrats when it concerns your life and your loved ones

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11 hours ago, Plant77 said:

The state that I live in is the 5th largest economy in the world. The top 10 poorest states are absolutely Red states. 

Cali has had many free market conservative Governors, and not so long ago. Then Cali went to unsolicited, unverified mail-in voting (i.e. anonymous voting).
Now the Hollywood elites are feeling some of the pain of their twisted morals and values. Cali's population has been declining and Fortune 500 corporations are fleeing as well.

 

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2 hours ago, cryingbluerain said:

Cali has had many free market conservative Governors, and not so long ago. Then Cali went to unsolicited, unverified mail-in voting (i.e. anonymous voting).
Now the Hollywood elites are feeling some of the pain of their twisted morals and values. Cali's population has been declining and Fortune 500 corporations are fleeing as well.

 

We have indeed lost some of our population, 0.3% or there about. There also has been the loss of Fortune 500 companies. I am very aware of our voting procedures in the State. I know that Dump made a ton of bogus claims, as he has always done. Let’s see, with Obama’s election in 2012 he was saying it was a sham, in the primaries he also said the same thing, in the Iowa Caucuses he claimed that Ted Cruz “stole it”. Also said that favorite line of his “it’s very bad”. He actually said “based on the crime that Ted Cruz committed we should have a new election “. Leading into the 2016 election when he thought he was going to be beat by Hillary he was crying foul play and sham elections. Although he was trounced in the popular vote he also claimed to have won that. Not that this matters but had the audacity to say he had the biggest inauguration crowd ever. That was actually hilarious to watch Mr. Spicer argue that. And then the 2020 election. Really nothing to see here. It really is strange that he has been trying this tactic for many years and has never had one shred of evidence. 
 

I am also very familiar with the political make up of our state and it’s past Governors. I’m also not a fan of our current Governor at all. He is a total ass hat. I’m not a big fan of a lot of our states policies, the absolute joke of our public electric utility company, there are many problems in this state. Just as there are in every state of this great nation. What I’m also not a fan of is watching a growing group of a political party do their best to destroy our Republic, to demonize anyone that doesn’t think like they do. The group of people who are beholden to a religious sect that is trying to impose their beliefs and practices on the entire country. 
 

Take a moment to read the article below. 
 


 

https://newrepublic.com/amp/article/166274/economy-record-republicans-vs-democrats

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4 hours ago, custard pie man said:

just a couple of points if I may, you cite third way as your go to media source, wikipedia states " third way originated in washington dc in 2005 as a re-evaluation of political policies within various centre-left progressive movements" enough said! thank you for correcting me on California, your state, I thought  gov. was a liberal, progressive ,  democrat but clearly he must be a republican, cities like  New York, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, LA, San Fran, where crime and murder have been ignored by the media must all be run by republicans lol. Crime is up everywhere, I would guess every state because of Biden and the democrats war on police, District Attorneys who refuse to prosecute, and perhaps the biggest reason is Biden and the democrats open border policy, yup let anyone come on in, men, women , children, bring their drugs, their unchecked diseases, some are truly bad dudes whose countries are only to happy to pull out of jail and dump through our open borders, then  and third way won't tell you this  but team Biden puts them on airplanes and dumps them all over the country, red states and blue states, so yes crime is  sky rocketing and  a third grader would be able to figure out why, its policy  driven, its by design, its on purpose and until people  smarten up   , think for themselves, shut off big tech and media, this trend will only continue to get worse

Thanks for your snarky reply. That was just one of many articles I’ve been reading. I’ll post as many as you would like. I’m fully aware of my states issues. And as I have said I’m not a huge fan of our current Governor. I’ll tell you what, just simply type into any server you want to use, and type in what states have the highest crime rates. Which states are the poorest, or most reliant on welfare, we can search anything you would like. 
 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/01/13/most-dangerous-states-in-america-violent-crime-murder-rate/40968963/

http://www.usa.com/rank/us--crime-index--state-rank.htm

https://newrepublic.com/amp/article/166274/economy-record-republicans-vs-democrats

And because you will say that they are left leaning, let’s try this one. 
 

https://www.thebalance.com/democrats-vs-republicans-which-is-better-for-the-economy-4771839

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15 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

Yes.  It is true that "blue" states pay more in taxes than they receive from the Federal Government, while for "red" states this is reversed.  However this is a very strange thing for liberals to object to, because it's entirely because of the progressive taxation system they support!  In fact it's reflected within states (urban vs rural), not just between them.  I.e., richer people (who, by the nature of the progressive system pay more taxes) tend to live in urban/blue areas, while poorer people (who again, by the nature of the progressive system pay less taxes) tend to live in rural/red ares.  However, it's ridiculous to claim that urban/blue areas "subsidize/support" rural/red areas, the reverse is likely more true.  (And it's even more absurd to claim that the well-known financial train-wreck conditions of cities and blue states are because of tax imbalances with conservative regions.  It's their appalling profligacy that's to blame.)

BTW, murder rates in America follow a demographic pattern that is very identifiable if you're not blinded by PC.  And there is a common denominator in poor Southern rural areas and rich Northern urban centers, for anyone who cares to open their eyes.

Thanks for your reply. Whether I agree with you or not, I know that I will get a well thought out response. Backed up with research. 
 

Have a great weekend John. Cheers. 

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15 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

Yes.  It is true that "blue" states pay more in taxes than they receive from the Federal Government, while for "red" states this is reversed.  However this is a very strange thing for liberals to object to, because it's entirely because of the progressive taxation system they support!  In fact it's reflected within states (urban vs rural), not just between them.  I.e., richer people (who, by the nature of the progressive system pay more taxes) tend to live in urban/blue areas, while poorer people (who again, by the nature of the progressive system pay less taxes) tend to live in rural/red ares.  However, it's ridiculous to claim that urban/blue areas "subsidize/support" rural/red areas, the reverse is likely more true.  (And it's even more absurd to claim that the well-known financial train-wreck conditions of cities and blue states are because of tax imbalances with conservative regions.  It's their appalling profligacy that's to blame.)

BTW, murder rates in America follow a demographic pattern that is very identifiable if you're not blinded by PC.  And there is a common denominator in poor Southern rural areas and rich Northern urban centers, for anyone who cares to open their eyes.

Maybe we are arguing separate issues. But to say that Blue states do not subsidize Red states is very misleading, and it is not accurate. The link below is from the Rockefeller inst. as well as the AP. 
 

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-business-local-taxes-ap-top-news-politics-2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2021/12/what-would-happen-if-blue-states-stopped-paying-for-red-states/

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On 8/5/2022 at 8:27 PM, Plant77 said:

That’s rich. How about just look at the article. You are absolutely incorrect. Just as all of the poorest states, and states that are most reliant on welfare are Red States. You can try and spin it anyway you want. Blue states take care of Red states. The absolute poorest, crime ridden, least educated states in the union are Red. How about you start posting facts. I easily can. My point is, it’s not red or blue. We are all citizens of the United States. But if we want to talk facts, look at economics, look at crime, and look at the actual facts, it is uncomfortable for people who lean to the right. I will also be clear, I’m not saying that the left/blue is better. I personally just feel the right is moving in a dangerous direction and like to put everything on the left and act like they are the cause. Let’s just for fun go back to 1990 and look at all that has happened. What metric would you like to use. I will gladly play along. 
 

How about we all try and do better for each other. Rather then have this team mentality. It’s not the responsible thing to do. Or stay in your corner and believe all the bullshit that you are being force fed from all of the shit blogs, news sites, publications and programs you consume. 
 

If you want to talk economics, social programs, crime, recessions, and really dive into into it. Let’s do that. It is easy to find and read. 

That's really rich. I did read the article, thank you, and to characterize a whole state based on pockets of crime or other factors is not a proper characterization of the state. As I stated, these are urban issues, and all states can do better. It is unfair to characterize CA based on SF and LA alone. There is the northern part, central valley, and other regions where crime, economics, education, etc. vary dramatically.

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8 hours ago, Plant77 said:

Maybe we are arguing separate issues. But to say that Blue states do not subsidize Red states is very misleading, and it is not accurate. The link below is from the Rockefeller inst. as well as the AP. 
 

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-business-local-taxes-ap-top-news-politics-2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2021/12/what-would-happen-if-blue-states-stopped-paying-for-red-states/

No, it is the same thing, as explicitly stated in your first link:

"In fact, most high-tax states send more money to Washington than they get back in federal spending."

Which is true but misleading:

Behind the Misleading Statement That Blue States Subsidize Red States (townhall.com)

Are Red States Tax Takers And Blue States Tax Makers? (thefederalist.com)

Bongino | Liberals Resurrect Myth That Blue States Subsidize Red States

Again:  blue states are in such bad financial shape because of their own grotesque mismanagement, not because they're getting ripped off by red states through the tax system.

Now, if you are arguing that tax revenue should only be spent in the areas/locations where it's collected, then in some sense you are arguing for some kind of secession, which I fully support (I would prefer the term "peaceful separation").  By all means:  let California and NY go their own way, best of luck to them, and leave the rest of us alone.  Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

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15 hours ago, Plant77 said:

Thanks for your snarky reply. That was just one of many articles I’ve been reading. I’ll post as many as you would like. I’m fully aware of my states issues. And as I have said I’m not a huge fan of our current Governor. I’ll tell you what, just simply type into any server you want to use, and type in what states have the highest crime rates. Which states are the poorest, or most reliant on welfare, we can search anything you would like. 
 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/01/13/most-dangerous-states-in-america-violent-crime-murder-rate/40968963/

http://www.usa.com/rank/us--crime-index--state-rank.htm

https://newrepublic.com/amp/article/166274/economy-record-republicans-vs-democrats

And because you will say that they are left leaning, let’s try this one. 
 

https://www.thebalance.com/democrats-vs-republicans-which-is-better-for-the-economy-4771839

snarky, really? read your initial response, thanks

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12 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

No, it is the same thing, as explicitly stated in your first link:

"In fact, most high-tax states send more money to Washington than they get back in federal spending."

Which is true but misleading:

Behind the Misleading Statement That Blue States Subsidize Red States (townhall.com)

Are Red States Tax Takers And Blue States Tax Makers? (thefederalist.com)

Bongino | Liberals Resurrect Myth That Blue States Subsidize Red States

Again:  blue states are in such bad financial shape because of their own grotesque mismanagement, not because they're getting ripped off by red states through the tax system.

Now, if you are arguing that tax revenue should only be spent in the areas/locations where it's collected, then in some sense you are arguing for some kind of secession, which I fully support (I would prefer the term "peaceful separation").  By all means:  let California and NY go their own way, best of luck to them, and leave the rest of us alone.  Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

You can’t be serious. Cali alone is responsible for over half the countries fruit and vegetables. We can look at our economy, and any number of metrics. 12 percent of our population lives in Cali, we are responsible for 15% of the National GDP. What a jackass thing to say. The country wouldn’t be what it is without the contributions of NY and California. You’re a funny little conspiracy theorist. You and your peaceful separation. Talk tough on a forum. 

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13 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

No, it is the same thing, as explicitly stated in your first link:

"In fact, most high-tax states send more money to Washington than they get back in federal spending."

Which is true but misleading:

Behind the Misleading Statement That Blue States Subsidize Red States (townhall.com)

Are Red States Tax Takers And Blue States Tax Makers? (thefederalist.com)

Bongino | Liberals Resurrect Myth That Blue States Subsidize Red States

Again:  blue states are in such bad financial shape because of their own grotesque mismanagement, not because they're getting ripped off by red states through the tax system.

Now, if you are arguing that tax revenue should only be spent in the areas/locations where it's collected, then in some sense you are arguing for some kind of secession, which I fully support (I would prefer the term "peaceful separation").  By all means:  let California and NY go their own way, best of luck to them, and leave the rest of us alone.  Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Having read your absolute ignorant response again made me laugh my ass off. California has our nations largest port, which has everything to do with our largest trading partners, China, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and Taiwan. If just figured into the equation our food, and agriculture which is over half the countries supply, as well as being responsible for over 90% of the country’s wine. We can then talk about the all the major corporations, Cisco, Apple, Google, Facebook, Disney. The 295 Billion dollar entertainment industry. Now I know you are on some real funny blogs. The water supply from our state, the electric supply, and Solar supply to neighboring states. over 46% of our land is Government owned and our oil supply alone would be crippling to the rest of the country. 
 

As I’ve said before, we are all entitled to our own opinions, but to actually think about removing 2 of the 3 largest contributors California being the largest contributor to our country and the impact that would have on the rest of the country and saying you are all for it? That has to be one of the most ignorant things you have ever said. To actually think of removing the largest contributor to the tech industry, agriculture, food, solar, entertainment, and by far the largest economy to our country. Talk about community college thinking. We wouldn’t be letting the door hitting us in our ass, we would be slamming it into your face. 

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24 minutes ago, Plant77 said:

You can’t be serious. Cali alone is responsible for over half the countries fruit and vegetables. We can look at our economy, and any number of metrics. 12 percent of our population lives in Cali, we are responsible for 15% of the National GDP. What a jackass thing to say. The country wouldn’t be what it is without the contributions of NY and California. You’re a funny little conspiracy theorist. You and your peaceful separation. Talk tough on a forum. 

So take a hike.  What are you waiting for?  If California is such a powerhouse - economically, socially, etc. - then what do you need the rest of the backwards US for?  Form a Cali-NY axis and be done with it.  

Seriously, get the fuck out already.  Your posturing is getting boring.

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6 minutes ago, Plant77 said:

Having read your absolute ignorant response again made me laugh my ass off. California has our nations largest port, which has everything to do with our largest trading partners, China, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and Taiwan. If just figured into the equation our food, and agriculture which is over half the countries supply, as well as being responsible for over 90% of the country’s wine. We can then talk about the all the major corporations, Cisco, Apple, Google, Facebook, Disney. The 295 Billion dollar entertainment industry. Now I know you are on some real funny blogs. The water supply from our state, the electric supply, and Solar supply to neighboring states. over 46% of our land is Government owned and our oil supply alone would be crippling to the rest of the country. 
 

As I’ve said before, we are all entitled to our own opinions, but to actually think about removing 2 of the 3 largest contributors California being the largest contributor to our country and the impact that would have on the rest of the country and saying you are all for it? That has to be one of the most ignorant things you have ever said. To actually think of removing the largest contributor to the tech industry, agriculture, food, solar, entertainment, and by far the largest economy to our country. Talk about community college thinking. We wouldn’t be letting the door hitting us in our ass, we would be slamming it into your face. 

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31 minutes ago, Plant77 said:

You can’t be serious. Cali alone is responsible for over half the countries fruit and vegetables. We can look at our economy, and any number of metrics. 12 percent of our population lives in Cali, we are responsible for 15% of the National GDP. What a jackass thing to say. The country wouldn’t be what it is without the contributions of NY and California. You’re a funny little conspiracy theorist. You and your peaceful separation. Talk tough on a forum. 

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