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Ok, so the Rockies basically gave away Nolan Arenado and sent 50 million to the Cardinals. I'm watching Around the Horn on youtube & Woody Paige calls this the 2nd worst trade in MLB history (Babe Ruth still #1). I'm guessing kingzoso has no complaints, though.

 

I'm still waiting for the Mets to land Trevor Bauer....

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10 hours ago, paul carruthers said:

Ok, so the Rockies basically gave away Nolan Arenado and sent 50 million to the Cardinals. I'm watching Around the Horn on youtube & Woody Paige calls this the 2nd worst trade in MLB history (Babe Ruth still #1). I'm guessing kingzoso has no complaints, though.

 

I'm still waiting for the Mets to land Trevor Bauer....

I have no complaints but I honestly do not know much about Nolan Arenado.  Is he that good?

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6 hours ago, paul carruthers said:

^^ He was in Colorado, 8 Gold Gloves and can swing the bat...

He is a real talent at Third base, the old "hot corner".  He can hit but he is the first major Rockies player to be traded or go to another team in his prime.

I am usually suspicious of Colorado Rockies players hitting stats due to the clear advantage they have playing half their games in Colorado.
So I looked up lifetime slugging percentage (a good overall batting stat) of Rockies players home and away, and compared that to other great hitters home and away.  It turns out that Arenado is typical of Rockies players.  The home vs away difference in slugging percentage is much greater for Rockies players than other players of the modern era. 
Career Slugging % Home vs Away
Rockies Players
Arenado    .609        .471
Helton        .607        .469
Blackmon    .583        .431
Walker        .637        .495  Walker spent some early years in Montreal and late years in St. Louis.  His career numbers for Colorado may be even more skewed than this.

Non Rockies Players
Harper        .524        .502
Trout        .583        .581
Cabrera    .561        .520
Pujols        .546        .546
Rockies players clearly have very inflated hitting stats while playing half their games in Colorado.  They will not fare so well when them play almost all their games away from Colorado.  Other great hitters are much more consistent home vs away for their careers.
The same pattern emerges when I look at the old school greats like Aaron, Mays, Williams, Ruth, Gehrig, and Mantle.  Their slugging % was much closer home vs away than the Rockies hitters.  Rockies hitters are overrated based on inflated stats from playing in Colorado. 
 

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9 hours ago, Strider said:

Ron Guidry - 1978 - (25-3) 1.74 ERA, 16 CG and 9 SO. 248 K’s in 273 innings pitched. All in the face of Reggie/Billy Martin....Bob Lemon, etc  Plus winning the one game playoff in Boston on limited rest. I ran home from elementary school to watch that one. 

Greatest pitching season ever. 

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4 hours ago, paul carruthers said:

I didn't read all of the article, but there has to be a mention of Bob Gibson...

The top 3 in this list:

1. Pedro Martinez 1999

2. Jake Arrieta 2015

3. Bob Gibson 1968

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On 2/1/2021 at 7:35 PM, paul carruthers said:

Ok, so the Rockies basically gave away Nolan Arenado and sent 50 million to the Cardinals. I'm watching Around the Horn on youtube & Woody Paige calls this the 2nd worst trade in MLB history (Babe Ruth still #1). I'm guessing kingzoso has no complaints, though.

 

I'm still waiting for the Mets to land Trevor Bauer....

Are they going to play 162?  Or is it still up for debate?  Are we having a contest?  Or is that also up for debate?  With the vaccine in full swing and June or July the worst case scenario of all being vaccinated (those that will actually do it), I would think they may try a full schedule and try to put full fan capacity back by June?  But it might be a state by state thing?  

And WTF Curly?  We have a half of foot of snow on the ground and the Super Bowl is yet to be played and Hockey and NBA are going on and you are thinking of baseball already?  

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What has gotten into some of the owners?  They are starting to actually sign players to reasonable contracts.  For example, the Phillies signed Realmuto to 5 years instead of the usual stupid 8 - 10 for a top star.  It was especially smart because he is a catcher and will be past his prime when the contract ends.  Then they signed Gregorius to 2 years, and he turns 31 this spring.  In past years someone would have signed Gregorius to some ridiculously long contract for a player his age.

Smart.

Two of the worst long term deals that were signed in the past decade were Pujols and Cabrera.  As could have been easily predicted, their production went way down at around age 33, yet both were signed to something like 40.

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5 hours ago, LedZeppfan1977 said:

Are they going to play 162?  Or is it still up for debate?  Are we having a contest?  Or is that also up for debate?  With the vaccine in full swing and June or July the worst case scenario of all being vaccinated (those that will actually do it), I would think they may try a full schedule and try to put full fan capacity back by June?  But it might be a state by state thing?  

And WTF Curly?  We have a half of foot of snow on the ground and the Super Bowl is yet to be played and Hockey and NBA are going on and you are thinking of baseball already?  

 Heh, I'm always thinking of baseball in some capacity.  😁 But seriously,  I'm "juiced" because the Mets are very close to signing Trevor Bauer; unless he sings with the Dodgers, then I'll be like the hell with him...

 

Right now, there's a great pissing contest between MLB brass & the players union (nothing new on that front), but when push comes to shove, I think they'll get it done to play a full season. As far as a contest, I think I'll leave it up to Walter. With co-vid and everything, I might run out of paper, trying to keep up with the myriad of cancellations that might be coming this season...

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Well, fuck--the Mets just lost the Trevor Bauer sweepstakes, and Blake Snell signed with the Padres months ago, so I don't know what avenues the Mets have left to try and strengthen that rotation. Maybe I'll hold off on my Wild Card aspirations...

:(

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Yadier Molina will be the Saint Louis Cardinals catcher for at least one more year.  Yadi is one of the Greatest catchers of All-Time.  Definitely a first time Hall of Famer.

Yadi and Adam Wainwright will be besy pitcher and catcher this upcoming season.

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On 2/5/2021 at 5:23 PM, paul carruthers said:

Well, fuck--the Mets just lost the Trevor Bauer sweepstakes, and Blake Snell signed with the Padres months ago, so I don't know what avenues the Mets have left to try and strengthen that rotation. Maybe I'll hold off on my Wild Card aspirations...

:(

Hey Curly, I can’t remember who Matt Harvey pitched for?  It appears Orioles have signed Felix Hernandez and Harvey hoping they can help the two young studs Kremer and John Means who I have MUCH faith in to rekindle our return to importance in MLB!   If you read this first King or Sean or EBK please jump in😀

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^^ I read about the Felix Hernandez deal a few weeks back, a minor-league deal meaning he's not yet on the main roster. And he's definitely not the "king Felix" of old if he does make the O's rotation, but good luck to you... 

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Mets looking pretty good today, although I know it means squat once the season really starts. Btw, I'm not sure about shortening these Spring training games to 5 & 7 innings, but hopefully it's a short term thing....

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On 2/26/2021 at 7:39 PM, Strider said:

Apparently the San Diego Padres are serious about challenging the Dodgers for the NL West. Should be a good dogfight.

Yeah.  Maybe.  Or a Shepherd vs a Poodle.  LOL.  No likely they may have the 2nd or 3rd best record?  But not sure how good the rest of the division will be?  Like Colorado, Arizona?  I know one thing, my Orioles will suck.   If you believe the experts.  I hope they are wrong but my gut is they might be right.  The worst team?  Not so sure.  My pick in the Central will be the Chicago White Sox.  Its been over 100 years since the 1919 Black Sox scandal. If you ever want to hear a real good version of the real story, podcast on YouTube called Infamous America is very good.  They do one on DB Cooper that is great too.  

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Joe Altobelli, who managed the Baltimore Orioles to their last world series title in 1983, has passed at the age of 88.  I had the honor of meeting Joe twice.  At Tommy LaSorda's dinner here and at Finger Lakes race track.  Great manager of the Rochester Red Wings also.   Cal Ripken and Jim Palmer have already passed on their condolences.

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