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Maybe #2 had a curved bridge put in for use with the bow, but that's only what I've heard... I can't be too sure about it though...

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Jimmy's Les Pauls #1 and #2? They look really similar, is there any way of telling them apart?

There is a cigarette burn in the cutaway of the #1

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Jimmy's Les Pauls #1 and #2? They look really similar, is there any way of telling them apart?

Many differences between them, but to start with you need to know what year the photo you're looking at is.

Then the drill is as follows:

From 1969 up to & including 1973 it's the #1 all the time. It has changes of appearance (tuners change from Klusons to Grovers, bridge pickup cover comes off to reveall white pickup & is later replaced for a different pickup with a crome cover, jack socket breaks & is rotated to fit, bangs & scrapes start to acumulate) but it's all the same guitar.

In 1975 #2 appears for the first time. It has an exposed white bridge pickup (leading some people to mistake it for the one used earlier) & more flame to the maple.

Let's stick to the pickup covers...

For the '75 & '77 tours both pickup covers on = #1, exposed bridge pickup = #2.

Early '80s both guitars have both pickup covers on, but around about 1988 #1 has the bridge cover removed again, showing a black pickup this time. #2 still has both covers on.

They stay like that right upto the O2 gig, where both guitars have exposed bridge pickups: #1 = black, #2 = white.

There are many other differences but that'll get you started.

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Maybe #2 had a curved bridge put in for use with the bow, but that's only what I've heard... I can't be too sure about it though...

Sorry - that's a myth!

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I had read early on that the band was using a local guitar maker for their o2 show. In hindsight, Im glad they didnt. Jimmy without a Les Paul onstage seems like a sin!

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Many differences between them, but to start with you need to know what year the photo you're looking at is.

Then the drill is as follows:

From 1969 up to & including 1973 it's the #1 all the time. It has changes of appearance (tuners change from Klusons to Grovers, bridge pickup cover comes off to reveall white pickup & is later replaced for a different pickup with a crome cover, jack socket breaks & is rotated to fit, bangs & scrapes start to acumulate) but it's all the same guitar.

In 1975 #2 appears for the first time. It has an exposed white bridge pickup (leading some people to mistake it for the one used earlier) & more flame to the maple.

Let's stick to the pickup covers...

For the '75 & '77 tours both pickup covers on = #1, exposed bridge pickup = #2.

Early '80s both guitars have both pickup covers on, but around about 1988 #1 has the bridge cover removed again, showing a black pickup this time. #2 still has both covers on.

They stay like that right upto the O2 gig, where both guitars have exposed bridge pickups: #1 = black, #2 = white.

There are many other differences but that'll get you started.

B)

Well done. B)

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Many differences between them, but to start with you need to know what year the photo you're looking at is.

Then the drill is as follows:

From 1969 up to & including 1973 it's the #1 all the time. It has changes of appearance (tuners change from Klusons to Grovers, bridge pickup cover comes off to reveall white pickup & is later replaced for a different pickup with a crome cover, jack socket breaks & is rotated to fit, bangs & scrapes start to acumulate) but it's all the same guitar.

In 1975 #2 appears for the first time. It has an exposed white bridge pickup (leading some people to mistake it for the one used earlier) & more flame to the maple.

Let's stick to the pickup covers...

For the '75 & '77 tours both pickup covers on = #1, exposed bridge pickup = #2.

Early '80s both guitars have both pickup covers on, but around about 1988 #1 has the bridge cover removed again, showing a black pickup this time. #2 still has both covers on.

They stay like that right upto the O2 gig, where both guitars have exposed bridge pickups: #1 = black, #2 = white.

There are many other differences but that'll get you started.

B)

Thanks! That's enough differences for me. :D

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Wow.., you are truly a Jimmy Page guitar connesuier (SP?)

I have a question then.. regarding some of the performances in The Song Remains The Same, sometimes Jimmy's Les Paul looks like its a plain cherry and not the burst... is this just the lighting or was he using a different Les Paul?

Its been quite a few years since I've seen the video, so if I'm way off, let me down easy.

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yes, no and maybe! :D

TSRTS is from 1973, so it was filmed before hed had #2. When you can see a sunburst Les Paul on screen it's #1.

There are also a couple of places when you can see his cherry red Les Paul - the one now fitted with a b-bender - which was his back up on that tour. Mainly during the theramin section of WLL I seem to remember.

But beware, there are a couple of moments in that film when the stage lights make #1 look like it's a solid colour rather than sunburst. There is a particularly nice moment during (IIRC) D&C when the guitar apears to change colour from red to sunbust before your very eyes because of the lighting cue. It's a lovely shot, close up, and no edit.

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HUW, excellent research as always! :beer:

This pic clearly shows the intense flame of #2s top:

Number2.jpg

This one shows the mismatched top of #1, and the lack of flame, particularly on the bass side. You'll also notice a nasty ding between the bridge and the tailpiece, about 2 inches into the bass side. That's been there since before he got #2 as well.

Page94.jpg

Edited by Evster2012

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I nicked this from GordonBleu at the hotel. It shows the two side by side, and although the pickups have changed configuration over the years, it shows the differences between the two finishes.

jimmypagelps1and2po8.jpg

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HUW, excellent research as always! :beer:

Thanks Ev,

I only really have one area of knowledge, so I try to make the most of it! :D

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