feather in the wind Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 who is this man? i undestand it is crowley what is the building in the background? sure looks like thelema house rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Are we talking about the 4th album? I don't think the old man with the sticks is meant to be anyone in particular. As Page has described it, the man was at one with the land, taking from it, and giving back to it, in a correct cycle of life. Then they tore down his little cottage to make way for some awful tenement buildings. The man at the top of the mountain is the Hermit from the tarot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huw Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Looks nothing like Crowley... The story is that Plant found the picture in a junk shop & bought it. Then they used it as part of the cover design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feather in the wind Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 it IS to represent crowley. the building on the IV album IS thelema house. i saw a video showing thelema house, a white stucco house as on the zeppelin IV album, there was a pile of 'sticks' in the short clipa s well, the same stricks as shown on the old man's back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idunn Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 My guess is that it is derived from the "bundle of sticks" stories found in various cultures throughout the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpat Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 it IS to represent crowley. the building on the IV album IS thelema house. i saw a video showing thelema house, a white stucco house as on the zeppelin IV album, there was a pile of 'sticks' in the short clipa s well, the same stricks as shown on the old man's back. On the cover of the fourth album, it looked like the house was being wrecked (hence, the wall's edge showing the outside). I believe the cover shot is a Midlands city in England (Bonzo and Percy's neck of the woods), not London. So, your video had to be shot before the house was destroyed, I'm assuming, some time in 1971. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feather in the wind Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 thelema house was falling apart in the video i saw. the two buildings look so much alike. i am still convinced it is thelema house and the old man is crowley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) On the cover of the fourth album, it looked like the house was being wrecked (hence, the wall's edge showing the outside). I believe the cover shot is a Midlands city in England (Bonzo and Percy's neck of the woods), not London. So, your video had to be shot before the house was destroyed, I'm assuming, some time in 1971. Paraphrasing, Jimmy said the theme had to do with man living in harmony etc. as someone else posted above already. Then in modern times man is pushed into the slums. The highrise buildings on the back cover were actually located on the outskirts of the town of Dudley, not too far from Robert Plant's home in the Midlands. They were torn down within the past five years or so. I believe the man depicted in the painting on the front cover is a famous English occult figure, the name of whom escapes me at the moment, but it isn't Crowley. That whole "he found it in a junk shop in Reading" story sounds ridiculous. I actually think Jimmy Page produced it as well as the inner album artwork attributed to 'Barrington Colby'. No other example of "Colby's" work has ever been found. Edited January 13, 2008 by SteveAJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idunn Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) Paraphrasing, Jimmy said the theme had to do with man living in harmony etc. as someone else posted above already. Then in modern times man is pushed into the slums. The highrise buildings on the back cover were actually located on the outskirts of the town of Dudley, not too farm from Robert Plant's home in the Midlands. They were torn down within the past five years or so. I believe the man depicted in the painting on the front cover is a famous English occult figure, the name of whom escapes me at the moment, but it isn't Crowley. That whole "he found it in a junk shop in Reading" story sounds ridiculous. I actually think Jimmy Page produced it as well as the inner album artwork attributed to 'Barrington Colby'. No other example of "Colby's" work has ever been found. Is the occultist you're thinking of George Pickingill ? Edited January 10, 2008 by Idunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feather in the wind Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 interseting, thanks for the great info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvana Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The "old man" on the cover of IV is NOT Al Crowley! He is, however, a former member of The Golden Dawn - in some manner of speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The "old man" on the cover of IV is NOT Al Crowley! He is, however, a former member of The Golden Dawn - in some manner of speaking. Goodness Gracious, another secret is about to be revealed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Hopper Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Looks nothing like Crowley... The story is that Plant found the picture in a junk shop & bought it. Then they used it as part of the cover design. You are correct, I've read in an interview that Plant bought it at a garage sale or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idunn Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Goodness Gracious, another secret is about to be revealed... I'm sitting here, pen and paper in hand...lest I miss anything earth shaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvana Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I'm sitting here, pen and paper in hand...lest I miss anything earth shaking. Me too! Let's have it Steve...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvana Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Is this the right site to illuminate Jimmy Page's path to e n l i g h t e n m e n t ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feather in the wind Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 there is a tarot card which pics a man with sticks. what does that tarot card mean? anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feather in the wind Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 this is interesting: (the card is called 'Ten of Wands') credit given here -> "WolfChild" from this site: http://www.free-tarot-reading.net/forum/in...?showtopic=2248 This card is also about knowing your own limits. These limits vary from person to person. Some people thrive on multiple responsibilities. Others wilt under very few. As the saying goes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The 10 of Wands can alert us to the potential for problems even as we celebrate our success or at least before we get bogged down so much that we can no longer enjoy that success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvana Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Goodness Gracious, another secret is about to be revealed... ...see what I mean steve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 ...see what I mean steve? NOW I do, having exchanged some PMs. You think I'm mocking you here. I'm not. Your on the right path concerning the album cover art; it isn't Crowley. You've come this far, just reach a little higher, your almost there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Is the occultist you're thinking of George Pickingill ? Yes. There you go, Nirvana. No more torment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Nirvana, I believe I understand what you meant in the PM. If so, it is this: Linear Vs. Holistic Processing The left side of the brain processes information in a linear manner. It processes from part to whole. It takes pieces, lines them up, and arranges them in a logical order; then it draws conclusions. The right brain however, processes from whole to parts, holistically. It starts with the answer. It sees the big picture first, not the details. If you are right-brained, you may have difficulty following a lecture unless you are given the big picture first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feather in the wind Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 aleister crowley was a master mason (self proclaimed), jimmy was interested in this 'religion' 'faith' call it what u will. i have also heard (from an educated reliable source) that STH was 'lifted' from a mason ritual. 'stairs' 'steps' = degrees in the masonic faith. (as well as SPIRIT's song "Taurus") some of the 'inspirations' are VERY deep. not JUST what we 'see' or 'hear'. 'the song remains the same' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 i have also heard (from an educated reliable source) that STH was 'lifted' from a mason ritual. 'stairs' 'steps' = degrees in the masonic faith. Yes, that is said by sources, although Jimmy has never publicly confirmed it. I believe there are seven levels ("steps"..."stairs") and the song is similarly constructed. By the way Rob, your making excellent posts to the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feather in the wind Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 Yes, that is said by sources, although Jimmy has never publicly confirmed it. I believe there are seven levels ("steps"..."stairs") and the song is similarly constructed. By the way Rob, your making excellent posts to the site. thanks! i find the band VERY interesting. the three MAJOR 'steps' are faith, hope and charity. now if u wanan get further into it, crowley took over the O.T.O. and modified it to HIS liking. that's where it went 'wrong'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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