zeplz71 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 'Houses of the Holy' by Led Zeppelin was released On this day, 50 years ago to the day, ‘Houses of the Holy’ was released. My original idea for the opening tracks for ‘Houses of the Holy’ was that a short overture would be a rousing instrumental introduction with layered electric guitars that would segue in to ’The Seasons’, later to be titled ‘The Rain Song’. Again there would be a contrasting acoustic guitar instrumental movement with melotron that could lead to the first vocal of the album and the first verse of the song. ‘The Seasons’ was a memo to myself as a reminder of the sequence of the song and various ideas I’d had for it in its embryonic stage. I’d worked on it over one evening at home. During the routining of the overture now titled ‘The Plumpton and Worcester Races’, the half time section was born and the overture shaped in to the song, ‘The Song Remains The Same’. These rehearsals were done in Puddle Town on the River Piddle in Dorset, UK. The first set of recordings were done at Olympic Studios with George Chkiantz. We then came to record at Stargroves, Sir Mick Jagger’s country home, and, like Headley Grange, with the Rolling Stones recording truck. ‘The Song Remains The Same’ was played on a Fender 12 string, the same one used on Becks Bolero, with my trusty Les Paul number 1 on overdubs in a standard turning. The ‘Rain Song’ was an unorthodox tuning on acoustic and electric guitars. On live shows, it became a work-out feature for the double neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ98 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 That was really nice to hear. Thanks for posting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Smith Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Damn, wonderful listen! Love the part at 4:07 and to hear all the acoustic guitars so clearly. This makes me glad to be alive. I am 57 years old and been listening to Zep since I was 13 and they can still give me goosebumps. Thanks for the post my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 That was amazing! It should've been on the compilation disc. Thank you for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgeholder Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 very cool! Jimmy playing the mellotron too, I assume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvlz2 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Oh man, so nice to hear this, thanks Jimmy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvlz2 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 From a 2014 interview with Jimmy Page: Has any of this kind of material been lost over the years? Yes. I had a home demo of The Rain Song (from Houses Of The Holy). but unfortunately the tapes have been lost. Which is a real bastard. **Was this a fully formed version of the song?** Yes. I literally had the full piece from beginning to end. I had the Mellotron idea and everything on it. But the version of The Rain Song on the new companion disk is a really cool one. It's got less piano on it, so you get more of the guitar textures. I really like the version that we did on (1976 live album) The Song Remains The Same. I thought we were working it really well. These songs, you see, they're recorded and they come out on an album, and then they were included in the live set, and they would start to mutate. That was what was so good about it. So the live version on The Song Remains The Same is quite different to how it is on the studio version. **Does that explain why Led Zeppelin was a one-band bootleg industry?** At one point I think it was (laughs). But that's the thing with doing concerts differently every night, you see. https://www.loudersound.com/features/interview-jimmy-page From a 2020 Rolling Stone interview: Have you discovered any new recordings since completing the box-sets project? I recently found a really early [personal demo] tape that had been missing for a long while, but it's got the full orchestration of "Rain Song." It goes all through to the very end, the same way that you know it, even with the bit in the middle where it goes a bit heavier, before it goes back the the light and caressing parts. It's all in there, the Mellotron and everything. And it's not played as well, like the John Paul Jones version, because I knew he could do a really good job on it. But it''s there, every part of it, every phrase is there, slightly different. And then you hear things that didn't get used. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/jimmy-page-anthology-interview-bonham-led-zeppelin-1074825/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmtomh Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Love this - what an amazing and unexpected thing to drop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Only Way To Fly Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 That's really nice to hear as others have said. Pure speculation on my part, but assume Page gives this nearly fully formed song to Plant and Plant does the rest? I've always pictured the band in studio, working very collaboratively together. Sometimes I forget this was always Jimmy's band to begin with..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, luvlz2 said: From a 2014 interview with Jimmy Page: Has any of this kind of material been lost over the years? Yes. I had a home demo of The Rain Song (from Houses Of The Holy). but unfortunately the tapes have been lost. Which is a real bastard. **Was this a fully formed version of the song?** Yes. I literally had the full piece from beginning to end. I had the Mellotron idea and everything on it. But the version of The Rain Song on the new companion disk is a really cool one. It's got less piano on it, so you get more of the guitar textures. I really like the version that we did on (1976 live album) The Song Remains The Same. I thought we were working it really well. These songs, you see, they're recorded and they come out on an album, and then they were included in the live set, and they would start to mutate. That was what was so good about it. So the live version on The Song Remains The Same is quite different to how it is on the studio version. **Does that explain why Led Zeppelin was a one-band bootleg industry?** At one point I think it was (laughs). But that's the thing with doing concerts differently every night, you see. https://www.loudersound.com/features/interview-jimmy-page From a 2020 Rolling Stone interview: Have you discovered any new recordings since completing the box-sets project? I recently found a really early [personal demo] tape that had been missing for a long while, but it's got the full orchestration of "Rain Song." It goes all through to the very end, the same way that you know it, even with the bit in the middle where it goes a bit heavier, before it goes back the the light and caressing parts. It's all in there, the Mellotron and everything. And it's not played as well, like the John Paul Jones version, because I knew he could do a really good job on it. But it''s there, every part of it, every phrase is there, slightly different. And then you hear things that didn't get used. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/jimmy-page-anthology-interview-bonham-led-zeppelin-1074825/ Great job, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Many times I feel HOTH is my favorite album but at other times I feel it's others. From my point of view all the band's studio albums are more than perfect, so my feeling of having a favorite one is like the wind: "they rise and fall". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm2551 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Great to hear this. What a find! I wonder if there were any other treasures he uncovered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 14 hours ago, luvlz2 said: From a 2014 interview with Jimmy Page: Has any of this kind of material been lost over the years? Yes. I had a home demo of The Rain Song (from Houses Of The Holy). but unfortunately the tapes have been lost. Which is a real bastard. **Was this a fully formed version of the song?** Yes. I literally had the full piece from beginning to end. I had the Mellotron idea and everything on it. But the version of The Rain Song on the new companion disk is a really cool one. It's got less piano on it, so you get more of the guitar textures. I really like the version that we did on (1976 live album) The Song Remains The Same. I thought we were working it really well. These songs, you see, they're recorded and they come out on an album, and then they were included in the live set, and they would start to mutate. That was what was so good about it. So the live version on The Song Remains The Same is quite different to how it is on the studio version. **Does that explain why Led Zeppelin was a one-band bootleg industry?** At one point I think it was (laughs). But that's the thing with doing concerts differently every night, you see. https://www.loudersound.com/features/interview-jimmy-page From a 2020 Rolling Stone interview: Have you discovered any new recordings since completing the box-sets project? I recently found a really early [personal demo] tape that had been missing for a long while, but it's got the full orchestration of "Rain Song." It goes all through to the very end, the same way that you know it, even with the bit in the middle where it goes a bit heavier, before it goes back the the light and caressing parts. It's all in there, the Mellotron and everything. And it's not played as well, like the John Paul Jones version, because I knew he could do a really good job on it. But it''s there, every part of it, every phrase is there, slightly different. And then you hear things that didn't get used. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/jimmy-page-anthology-interview-bonham-led-zeppelin-1074825/ Well that explains it! Thanks for posting this. Glad Jimmy found the tape.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigante Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Great to hear this and whoever would've expected that Jimmy would put it out himself? Excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just goes to show that just when you think the cupboard is bare you never know what will pop out next. Thank goodness the tape was found. Thank you, Jimmy Page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 This is awesome and love this version. The instruments sound so clear. Hope other things are unearthed and find their way to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porgie66 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) I must have listened to this a dozen times yesterday. I was so inspired that I immediately ran and made a play along video. I assume that's Jimmy playing the mellotron strings and flutes? Edited March 30 by porgie66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 10 minutes ago, porgie66 said: I must have listened to this a dozen times yesterday. I was so inspired that I immediately ran and made a play along video. I assume that's Jimmy playing the mellotron strings and flutes? Yes, Jimmy is playing everything. It's a demo of the song he recorded at home while working on songs for the fifth album. That is why he was able to just put it out on his YouTube page. Because it is only Jimmy playing on the demo he didn't have to go through the red tape of getting permission from Plant, Jones, and the Bonham estate. The power of the veto is most likely the #1 reason keeping us from getting any archival live releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porgie66 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 23 minutes ago, Strider said: Yes, Jimmy is playing everything. It's a demo of the song he recorded at home while working on songs for the fifth album. That is why he was able to just put it out on his YouTube page. Because it is only Jimmy playing on the demo he didn't have to go through the red tape of getting permission from Plant, Jones, and the Bonham estate. The power of the veto is most likely the #1 reason keeping us from getting any archival live releases. Thanks! Makes perfect sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plant77 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 On 3/28/2023 at 7:03 AM, Ian Smith said: Damn, wonderful listen! Love the part at 4:07 and to hear all the acoustic guitars so clearly. This makes me glad to be alive. I am 57 years old and been listening to Zep since I was 13 and they can still give me goosebumps. Thanks for the post my friend. Man, that is amazing to read, and amazing to hear/know. I’m 46ish and started diving into them at about 12. Certainly as I grew up and was able to learn more about them my appreciation/obsession grew. But to read what you posted, or what Mr. Strider has posted has just been an inspiration. I was able to have my Mother and Father tell me stories of seeing them in 69-70 and 71. But, while they were absolutely fans, they were not as consumed as I was. I bring that up because to hear someone that is a decade older than myself, someone who has been dedicated and devoted. It is awesome to read your perspective of their maturations and changes. Have a great night, it’s pretty incredible that we have the amount of people that are devoted and invested in this group of men. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sped Spedding Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 What an album. 😍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Smith Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 8 hours ago, Sped Spedding said: What an album. 😍 Best guitar guy on YouTube right here 👆His Zep lessons are masterpieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohjimmy Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 12 hours ago, Sped Spedding said: What an album. 😍 Love your channel….. and I don’t even play guitar! Your lessons are really informative and I appreciate the cheeky sense of humour. Keep up the great work.👍 Here’s a great Houses of the Holy doc if you haven’t seen it yet. Well worth checking out. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Smith Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 On 4/8/2023 at 12:13 AM, Plant77 said: Man, that is amazing to read, and amazing to hear/know. I’m 46ish and started diving into them at about 12. Certainly as I grew up and was able to learn more about them my appreciation/obsession grew. But to read what you posted, or what Mr. Strider has posted has just been an inspiration. I was able to have my Mother and Father tell me stories of seeing them in 69-70 and 71. But, while they were absolutely fans, they were not as consumed as I was. I bring that up because to hear someone that is a decade older than myself, someone who has been dedicated and devoted. It is awesome to read your perspective of their maturations and changes. Have a great night, it’s pretty incredible that we have the amount of people that are devoted and invested in this group of men. Thanks again. You are very kind my friend, this made my day. I consider myself blessed that when I was 13 and heard Misty Mountain Hop my life was forever changed. When Bonham comes in I stood there stunned. I still remember that moment and can get it back everytime just by playing that song. And yep, they only get better. So many beautiful bootlegs out there as well. Have a great day and thanks again for your kindness. The world needs more of that. Few fave Zep tunes of yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plant77 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 15 hours ago, Ian Smith said: You are very kind my friend, this made my day. I consider myself blessed that when I was 13 and heard Misty Mountain Hop my life was forever changed. When Bonham comes in I stood there stunned. I still remember that moment and can get it back everytime just by playing that song. And yep, they only get better. So many beautiful bootlegs out there as well. Have a great day and thanks again for your kindness. The world needs more of that. Few fave Zep tunes of yours? Hello Sir, man, that is tough. It depends if it is studio or live. And the truth is, there isn’t a song I don’t love/like. When I say I am consumed by this band, I truly mean that. I suppose there are a few songs that are not my favorite. But really I absolutely love all of their songs. I am really into their later years right now. But next month I might be into the early years which is what I was introduced too. I am really into PG, and Presence and ITTOD right now as far as studio, and for live material, I am obsessed with anything Montreux and anything that is in SF which were my first Bootlegs I purchased. However, their 77 run in NY and LA is mind blowing and I love to throw that on and make my daughter listen to it. Sorry if I have not answered this question. But I am into all of it, no matter the year, and no matter the circumstances that they were under. I appreciate and love all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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