Zeppelin Mysteries Hosted by Steve A. Jones

[jsj]

Hi JSJ,

Great find and it's essentially true. Led Zeppelin gave two public performances at the Memorial Hall in Kansas City on November 5th 1969. They had played in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada the night before and they did use unfamiliar gear for the Memorial Hall show according to a Kansas City Star review published the next day. Supporting acts were Morning Star, Bartok's Mountain, Spokesmen, Blues Garden and Bill Zickos. Bonham had gotten so drunk he nearly missed the second show, and Robert mentioned this tour escapade from the stage at Winterland in San Francisco the next night.

Following their Memorial Hall performances, Page, Plant, Bonham, Jones & Cole went to drink at the bar in the Muehlbach hotel where in the early morning hours Bonham was arrested in the lobby for public drunkeness.

cool. i thought perhaps it may have just been the commenters hazy memory with a bit of added spice for effect

[jsj]

just before the led zeppelin 4 prints signed by jimmy went on sale, i was in the gallery (st pauls in birmingham, well worth a visit) that did them, talking to the guys that run it. they were telling me that when they had visited tower house to get jimmy to sign them and he had to take a few breaks to rest as his hand was getting cramped and he mentioned jimmy saying he had arthritis. i saw a few of the shots that had been taken of jimmy signing prints at home. he was sat at a large round table that was very baroque and i think had the twelve zodiac symbols around its edge. wearing a black and grey stripey baggy jumper as i recall.

i was working near the gallery for a while and went in several times. they have lots of signed rock album prints heavily featuring zeppelin and the floyd. i'd have bought the lot if i could. at that time the signed 4 print was £750 but i notice its nearly double that now. it was mentioned that jasper carrot was intending to buy 20 as an investment. i dont know if he really did or not

[SteveAJones]

just before the led zeppelin 4 prints signed by jimmy went on sale, i was in the gallery (st pauls in birmingham, well worth a visit) that did them, talking to the guys that run it. they were telling me that when they had visited tower house to get jimmy to sign them and he had to take a few breaks to rest as his hand was getting cramped and he mentioned jimmy saying he had arthritis. i saw a few of the shots that had been taken of jimmy signing prints at home. he was sat at a large round table that was very baroque and i think had the twelve zodiac symbols around its edge. wearing a black and grey stripey baggy jumper as i recall.

Jimmy signed those prints on July 22, 2005 and they were offered for sale shortly afterward. I noticed Jimmy often massaging his hands onstage between songs on the 1995 tour and thought then it could be the onset of arthritis.

[And You Know How It Is?]

Hi Steve,

With another great 40th Led Zep anniversary approaching, the release of Led Zep 2, I am thinking about the band's stated distaste of Livin' Lovin' Maid. Because they have vocally expressed a number of times how they don't like the track, why do you think they decided to keep it on the finished album? It has always flowed nicely after Heartbreaker, but I guess I'm really wondering of other possible alternatives? Were there any tracks left in the can during the recording of Zep 2? I know it was such a vagabond album for them, constantly recording on the road, between performances, etc..., so there may not have been additional recordings beyond the tracks that make up the album.

I think the only possible track recorded during that time frame was We're Gonna Groove (June 1969). Conceivably, I could see that opening side 2, and going straight into Heartbreaker. But perhaps the song's sound doesn't quite fit Zep 2.

Given the band's dislike of Livin' Lovin' Maid, I find it a mystery that they kept it on Zep 2. And, outside of We're Gonna Groove, were there other tracks recorded during that period? I seem to recall the possibility of Sugar Mama, but nothing confirmed. What do you think?

[SteveAJones]

Given the band's dislike of Livin' Lovin' Maid, I find it a mystery that they kept it on Zep 2. And, outside of We're Gonna Groove, were there other tracks recorded during that period? I seem to recall the possibility of Sugar Mama, but nothing confirmed. What do you think?

Tracks left in the can at the time include Sugar Mama, Traveling Riverside Blues, Jennings Farm Blues, Poor Tom.

According to the liner notes for the 1982 album Coda, We're Gonna Groove was originally recorded at Morgan Studios, London, on June 25, 1969, but it was later acknowledged to have come from their January 9th 1970 Royal Albert Hall concert, with the guitar parts overdubbed and the original guitar part removed. This is easily confirmed by comparing the studio track against the original recording of the show.

While it's true it is arguably Jimmy's least Led Zeppelin favorite track, Robert Plant was pleased with it and even performed it live during his 1990 North American tour. It was also the b-side for the 'Whole Lotta Love' single.

[swandown]

Given the band's dislike of Livin' Lovin' Maid, I find it a mystery that they kept it on Zep 2.

I think it's an exaggeration to describe their collective feeling as "dislike". (If they truly disliked it, then they wouldn't have put it on the album, period.) They just didn't think as highly of it as the other songs on the album.

Tracks left in the can at the time include Sugar Mama, Traveling Riverside Blues, Jennings Farm Blues, Poor Tom.

I would say that all of these songs have an asterisk of some sort:

- "Sugar Mama" was little more than a sparse demo, and was far from ready to be released

- "Traveling Riverside Blues" was a BBC recording and likely wouldn't have been considered for release (especially since Jimmy did not produce it)

- "Poor Tom" was probably recorded after the 2nd album sessions

- "Jennings Farm Blues" was also probably recorded too late to make it on the 2nd album; also, I suspect that the band did not intend to release the song in its instrumental form.

[SteveAJones]

I would say that all of these songs have an asterisk of some sort:

- "Sugar Mama" was little more than a sparse demo, and was far from ready to be released

- "Traveling Riverside Blues" was a BBC recording and likely wouldn't have been considered for release (especially since Jimmy did not produce it)

- "Poor Tom" was probably recorded after the 2nd album sessions

- "Jennings Farm Blues" was also probably recorded too late to make it on the 2nd album; also, I suspect that the band did not intend to release the song in its instrumental form.

I agree with your comments. I double-checked and found 'Jennings Farm Blues' was recorded in Nov '69 and 'Poor Tom' on May 6, 1970 so those two can be removed from the list as 'Led Zeppelin II' was released in Oct '69.

[SteveAJones]

Spokane, WA

Gonzaga University - John F. Kennedy Pavilion

December 30th 1968

All photographs courtesy of dazedjeffy

[Wolfman]

Hey Steve. Is there any video or audio tapes of when Jason played TU with the band during a Knebworth rehearsal? I'd love to hear it.

[SteveAJones]

Hey Steve. Is there any video or audio tapes of when Jason played TU with the band during a Knebworth rehearsal? I'd love to hear it.

Nothing in circulation and I have never seen or heard any evidence to suggest that soundcheck was recorded.

[Nech]

Nothing in circulation and I have never seen or heard any evidence to suggest that soundcheck was recorded.

Now is wolfman refering to the Bray Studio rehearsals or soundchecks to the Copenhagen warm ups ? According to Dave Lewis there was video shot of the Bray studio rehearsals. Wolf, were do you see it that Jason played TU specifically? ... my mind draws a sudden blank.

D'oh! never mind...just fact checked myself and see now that you are referring to the sounchecks of Aud 2nd... thank you TBL guy!

Edited October 21, 2009 by Nech

[SteveAJones]

Boleskine House

Jimmy Page sent one of his Austin Osman Spare ''Death Posture'' cards to Grady MacMurtry in 1974.

MacMurtry (October 18, 1918 - July 12, 1985) was a student of Aleister Crowley and an adherent of

Thelema. He is best known for reviving the fraternal organization, Ordo Templi Orientis, which he headed

from 1971 until his death in 1985.

Sigil Magic

by Joseph Max

The means used and the way it happens are simple, the inverse of scientific. I use a formula, created by instinctive guess and *arbitrarily* formed, not evolved by hypothesis and experiment. The law of sorcery is its own law, using sympathetic symbols.

- Austin Osman Spare

Sigil Magic is a widely used form of magical spellcasting, common to many cultures throughout history. Norse Bind-runes, Arabic charms and the Kabballist's Khem are historic examples of using a written alphabet as a way of devising magical talismans.

In general terms, a sigil is any glyph or symbol with mystical or magical significance. But for our purposes, we will use the word to describe a glyph created using the methods originated by British artist, writer, clairvoyant and magician Austin Osman Spare (1886-1956). Spare laid out his theory of Sigil Magic (as we will describe it in this article) in The Book of Pleasure (self-love) - The Psychology of Ecstasy. The text is available on-line at several websites, but I recommend this PDF version that includes Spare's artwork:

http://www.rosenoire.../archives/Spare,_Austin_Osman_-_The_Book_of_Pleasure.pdf

(Spare's prose can sometimes seem impenetrable, but the same can be said of most grimoires. Although only some of the art is diagrammatic, somehow the text makes more sense with the artwork included.)

The theory goes like this: the conscious mind is not directly capable of performing magic (in fact, it inhibits magic,) so the subconscious mind must have the magical intent implanted in somehow it so that it might "unconsciously" manipulate aetheric information to bring about the result.

Not only does this theory model the function of Sigil Magic, but can be used to model any form of effective magical technique. Shamanistic sorcery obviously involves direct interface with the magician's subconscious, breaking down the barriers by extreme disciplines and psychoactive drugs. Complex systems of ritual magic can be effective, but only if the subconscious mind is trained to autonomically recognise the symbolism of the system and act on it's linguistics unconsciously. The adept may then use the tools of the system to formulate effective magical procedures. This explains the long apprenticeships and intense religious instruction that characterizes many magical traditions. But in Spare's conception, there is no inherent magical "power" in any particular set of symbols; it is only the subconscious manipulation of whatever symbols are chosen that make them magical. But it is more magically effective for the student of a system to accept the dogma of it's tradition -- that it's symbol-set is inherently magical -- without question, to provide the required belief-state to make it work.

Sigil Magic substitutes self-induced acts of psychological imprinting for dogmatic instruction and adherence to a particular magical model. Religious acceptance is replaced with passionate performance that taps into the unconscious archtypes that underlie all the religious symbolism of humanity. By use of the active imagination, and certain "slight-of-mind" tricks such as sigils, we breach the barriers of the subconscious by guile rather than by main force (as in shamanism) or by seige (as in traditional ceremonial magic.)

Sigil Theory

Though Spare never revealed exactly how the concept of Sigil Magic came to him, he was an accomplished graphic artist, so it's possible he got the idea from seeing watermarks on paper. The newly (at the time) published works of Sigmund Freud and Karl Jung might have provided the theoretical foundation for the "subliminal" nature of sigil workings; that between the conscious and unconscious (or subconscious) mind there stands a "safety valve", a filter that surpresses all non-logical thoughts and impressions, which Spare called the "psychic censor".

Sigils are monograms of thought, for the government of energy ... a mathematical means of symbolising desire and giving it form that has the virtue of preventing any thought and association on that particular desire (at the magical time), escaping the detection of the Ego, so that it does not restrain or attach such desire to its own transitory images, memories and worries, but allows it free passage to the sub-consciousness.

--A.O.Spare, "The Book Of Pleasure"

Sigil Magic uses these glyphs as a means to bridge the gap between the conscious and subconscious mind. It compares in some respects to traditional "talisman magic", in which predetermined symbols (such as planetary or astrological ones) are used to embellish a physical device that will encompass the "power" represented by those symbols. Generally, the talisman is subsequently carried by the user as a "charm".

In contrast, a sigil is a customized tool designed to bring about a specific effect, and it's physical basis is only used once at the time of the subconscious implantation, after which it is generally (although not always) destroyed.

Also, a sigil is an original artistic creation, produced by conceiving a sentence that expresses a magical intent, and converting that sentence into a pictoral representation. The point is to obtain an image that can carry the intent past the psychic censor and into the subconscious mind, where it becomes magically effective.

The great advantage of Sigil Magic is that no particular belief-set is needed to work with it; there are no discarnate entites to summon, no dieties to appease, no invisible rays to eminate from your solar plexus (unless you want to create them yourself as a meta-belief device). And there are no special tools or equipment needed beyond a pencil and paper, and even these can be abandoned by the adept practitioner.

The Making of a Sigil

There are three main parts to the construction of a sigil: formulation of a Sentence of Desire, conversion of the sentence into a graphic representation or glyph, and implantation of the glyph into the subconsciousness.

Of the three steps, the creation of the Sentence of Desire is the most important -- and the most difficult. Due to the psychological make-up of the human subconscious, there are certain guidelines that must be followed to obtain predictable results.

First there is the need for absolute precision and lack of ambiguity. I've heard of a test that is used in military officer's training schools, in which the squad leader is assigned a mission and required to devise a set of orders for the squad that he or she thinks is totally unambiguous. Then those under his or her command will try to follow those orders to the letter, but in such a way that is NOT what the leader really intended -- in other words, they try to purposely misinterpret the orders, if they can. If they find it impossible to do so, the leader passes the test. So a good way to test one's Sentence of Desire is to see if you can come up with any alternative meaning other than what was intended. If so, try formulating it in another way.

This need for precision must be balanced with the need for brevity. The Sentence must be concise, using just enough words to express the meaning and no more.

Also, the sentence must be expessed only in positive, not negative terms. The subconscious has the annoying habit of perceiving everything positively. For example, if you want to create a Sentence to protect you from traffic accidents, do not express it as "I will not be in a traffic accident" -- the deep mind ignores the "not" and hears this as "I will be in a traffic acccident"! Instead, express it as something like "I will drive safely".

Spare preceeded all of his Sentences with the prefix "THIS MY WISH..." followed by the description of what was desired. I've always felt this was a bit soft, so I tend to use "IT IS MY WILL..." Some practitioners drop the prefix entirely, and claim it works fine. But it may be more effective to make the Sentence a strong declaration, so the prefix is a very good idea.

Producing The Sigil

The sentence is then written out on paper in all capital letters, usually near the top of a large piece of paper -- the lower part will be used during the construction of the sigil.

We'll use as an example:

IT IS MY WILL TO EARN ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY A NEW CAR

There are two ways to approach creating a graphic sigil, as follows.

Method 1:

Scan the letters and cross out any repeating ones, as follows:

IT xS MY WxLx xO EARN xxxUGH xxxxx xx Bxx x xxx Cxx

Which leaves us with the following letters remaining:

I T S M Y W L O E A R N U G H B C

Method 2:

Same as above, but break the Sentence into it's component parts first:

IT IS MY WILL -> IT Ix MY WxLx = I T S M Y W L

TO EARN ENOUGH MONEY -> TO EARN xxxUGH MxxxY = T O E A R N U G H M Y

TO BUY A NEW CAR -> TO BUY A NEW CxR = T O B U Y A N E W C R

At this point, the resulting list(s) of letters can be used to make either a graphic sigil or a mantric sigil. We'll cover each one seperately.

Graphic Sigils

Out of these letter-shapes, a combined image is formed. In the case of Method 2 above, the seperate images are prepared first, then combined together to yield a single glyph. The letters can be linked to each other, or superimposed on top of each other, in any manner desired. What's most important is that the resulting image is "impressive" and satisfying to it's creator.

Here's the way I might go about rendering this example. Keep in mind that this is MY way of doing it and for it to be effective for you, it would have to be created by you and of course would be different.

On a seperate piece of paper, I would make a basic, rough sketch linking the various letter shapes together, combining some of them as I go along (for example, an "M" is a "W" upside down, "I" is contained in "T", "F" is part of "E", etc.):

In the case of method 2, each section is rendered into a rough drawing first, then the drawings are combined into a single glyph. The process is pretty much the same either way. Method 2 makes it easier to create a sigil from a somewhat longer Sentence without ending up with almost every letter of the alphabet in the mix all at once!

At this point I would discard the first piece of paper with the original sentence and list of letters on it. From this point onward, it is not looked at as derivative of certain words, or even as a list of letters, but simply as a picture. But during the process, your mind is absorbing the hidden meaning unconsciously, and will "remember" it subliminally. Keep in mind that sigil magic was originated by a highly skilled artist, who fully understood that the act of creation itself is powerful magic.

So the image is simplified and refined, with the goal being a pattern that the mind can easily visualize. This is the reason for trying to make it artistically impressive somehow, like an easy to recall logo. However, what we're aiming for is something that can be recalled by short term memeory, but not by long term memory -- since ultimately we will be required to forget about the sigil. So too much simplicity is also not correct.

To take it another step:

Now the image is looking more streamlined and elegant. Enclosing the entire image somehow helps make it more concise, so drawing a circle or similar shape around it is also common.

There is a third method of creating a graphic sigil. It involves drawing a simple picture of the intent. This has the advantage of starting from a graphic image instead of having to derive one from letters, but the disadvantage of having more of a chance of being ambiguous.

Using the above example again, you could draw a little stick figure with your initials on it sitting behind the wheel of a car. The picture is then "morphed" in some fashion to alter it beyond recognition, and then treated as a glyph in the first example.

In the example below, two figures representing two people (with their initials on their bodies) have a wall drawn between them, perhaps for an operation to force a seperation or end a relationship. The original drawing is combined and simplified:

So there you have a sigil! Now it's time to bring it to "life." If you like, do a final rendering on a fresh piece of paper, trimmed to just large enough to hold the drawing, and discard all of your sketches and notes.

Charging The Sigil

Even the term "charging" is a nod to tradition more than an accurate description of what is done to activate a sigil. In the old traditions of talismantic magic, once an amulet was created by whatever means, it had to be endowed with "energy" by some action of the magician. The world-view of the day determined what this "energy" was; in prehistory it would have contained a spirit, later a god or demon, eventually "life force" or "vibrations" provided the explanation. (Whether that kind of magic is effective or not isn't important here. I think it can be, but not for the reasons that it's practitioners think it is.)

Sigil Magic is a completely different approach. Making a sigil work is, in a way, the opposite of "charging". The idea is to open the gates of the deep mind and cause the sigil to be "absorbed" into it. The magician doesn't charge the sigil, the sigil charges the magician!

To do this, a state of ecstatic gnosis must be achieved, and at that point, the sigil must be introduced to the deep mind. There are many variations on how this can be accomplished. The simplest is to hold the image of the sigil in front of your eyes and stare intently at it at the peak of gnosis and, to use Spare's description, "drink it in to the mind." It's very hard to use words to describe something so ineffable as this action. For me it is a state of high trance, of "not-thinking", but at the same time, with an obsessive concentration on the image of the sigil to the exclusion of all else. Not the meaning of the sigil, but simply the graphic image itself as pure abstract, unconnected to any meaning -- a picture and nothing more.

Here's where such exercises as meditation and death posture you encountered in the previous chapters can be used for a practical purpose.

You can arrange the sigil where it can be seen, and assume a death posture until physical collapse occurs. You can meditate on the image itself until meditative trance ensues, or incorporate it as one image in a Juggler's Meditation exercise. One of Spare's suggestions was to paint the sigil on a mirror and stare "through" it to the image of your own eyes, holding your own gaze without blinking until the sigil "dissappears". (He also suggested exhausting oneself playing tennis, but then he was a bit crazy...)

One can adapt a magical ritual from any tradition to include the making and charging of a sigil in it. It can be offered as a prayer or sacrifice to a chosen deity, or incorporated into a given form of spellcasting such as a Wiccan cord-binding.

Shamanic practices such as dancing, drumming, or other extremes of physical exertion can also be utilized. Sexual magic is one of the most common (and fun!) forms of sigil charging technique.

What's important is that some form of magical trance or ecstasy must be achieved, and the image of the sigil brought into conscious awareness at the point of peak exaltation (what the Chaos Magicians call "gnosis".) The most common method is to simply have the drawing of the sigil in the field of vision at the crucial point. Someone adept at visualization can simply call up the sigil's image in the mind's eye.

Since vocalization of one kind or another is common in many magical traditions, one powerful variation of Sigil Magic is the creation of mantras from the recombined letters used to make a graphic sigil.

Mantric Sigils

The method of deriving the strings of letters is identical. To use the same example as above:

I T S M Y W L O E A R N U G H B C

Next, the letters are rearranged in some random fashion -- I use "scrabble" letter tiles for this purpose. The idea is to obtain a series of "nonsense words" using the letters.

So one possible combination would be:

YARGMES CILBOW THUN

This is the sigilized mantra.

Again, the sigil must be charged, and the above methods of achieving gnosis are applicable, but instead of staring at a picture, one chants the mantra. Of course, the two methods can be combined for even more effective workings.

Losing the Meaning

According to Spare's theory, a sigil whose meaning is consciously remembered at the point it is charged is a sigil that won't work. So you MUST find a way to "forget" the meaning behind a sigil to make it work.

There are practicing Sigil Magicians who would dispute this, and claim that as long as you have the sigil where it can be precieved, either in sight or strongly imagined, it doesn't matter what the conscious mind is doing as long as gnosis is reached. One possible way to look at it is that the very act of achieving gnosis involves shutting down the discursive functions of consciousness anyway. But then you can find magicians who will dispute just about any claim you can think of, so everyone must experiment and determine what works best.

One way of deliberate forgetting is to create a few sigils for different purposes, put them away out of sight for a couple weeks or so until you can't remember which one was which, then charge them either all at once or one after the other.

There is also the "under-the-nose" method: an object that is seen every day in the same place in the same way tends to fade into the background of consciousness eventually, and it is no longer actively "seen". Using this method allows for the creation of more durable sigils in the manner of traditional talismans, though it would have to be arranged to be seen rather than, for example, worn around the neck or carried in a purse.

Another method is by using ritual action to distract the conscious mind and keep it occupied with such tasks as performing "meaningless" words and gestures, delivering a memorized script of actions, strong visualization of images or other actions. Mantras, dancing, drumming or other repetative actions can also lull the mind into a quiescent state. Well designed rituals incorporate a self-consistant and artistically satisfying set of symbols that inform the structure of, and provide direction for, the actions that take place. A sufficiently well chosen set of symbolic tools can drive the action itself without a pre-arranged procedure, allowing for improvisational forms of ritual work.

These ideas are covered in more depth in other chapters. What's important here is that sigils can be, and often are, operative components of ritual work. They are used as the focus of the ritual itself, and the mechanics are simply the manner in which the meaning is lost to the conscious mind and the sigil is charged.

Finally, it's important to seperate one's self from the act of charging after the implantation of the sigil is accomplished. Don't do any meditation, other magical operations, talk about the working with anyone, have sexual orgasms or even do a lot of heavy pondering about the universe. The idea is to shut the doors to the subconscious and give the sigil, and only the sigil, a chance to become firmly implanted without any spurious thoughts connected to it. It also keeps it from easily floating back into the conscious mind until the short term memory dumps it, which according to psychologists takes about three hours.

So wash the dishes, go for a bike ride, read a book that's NOT about magic, watch an old Marx Brothers movie.

A note about keeping diaries or journals of sigil work:

Some magicians are maniacal about keeping records of everything they do, and this is a defenesible practice. But the purpose of a diary is to remember, and the purpose of a sigil is to forget -- paradox!

One way around it is to make a record of one's statement of intent before the actual working is performed, and then put the diaries away for several months and only then look them over and determine what the results have been. Another suggestion has been to paste flyleaves over the entries, bearing a date after which the description underneath can be looked at, so as to prevent accidentally informing the conscious mind of the work before it has manifested.

This covers the basics of sigil magic. As long as the basic formula is followed, there is a lot of room for personal interpretation and expression.

Variations on a Theme

Some of the more interesting applications of sigil technique I have used:

* Create sculpted sigils out of clay and manipulate them in various ways during charging. This is especiallly effective for using the "pictoral" method. For example, two figurines can be made two represent two particular people, even with such things as hair or fingernail parings mixed in with the clay, a variation on the "witch's poppet" or voodoo doll. The clay figures can be combined, mashed together to imply a coming together of the people they represent.

Clay sigils can be crushed in the hand or underfoot to destroy them, or even have firecrakers imbedded in them and blown up!

* Paint the sigil on one's body (on a visible place, such as the belly) with water-soluable paint, then take a bath and let it slowly dissolve away while watching it. This is especially useful for enchantments such as healing the body.

* Draw the sigil on paper or cloth with dissappearing ink (available from novelty and costume shops) and stare at it as it slowly evaporates.

*Create a sigil on a piece of filter paper using food coloring as ink (choose a color appropriate to the work.) Place the paper in a funnel over a container and pour water or oil through it into the container. It will pull the "ink" along with it and color the liquid, which can then be used as a "magical potion".

Obviously, the variations are limited only by one's imagination, as long as the basic requirements of the technique are fulfilled.

Sigil magic is simple and powerful. A good way to begin is to choose some simple, unimportant result -- one to which you aren't personally attached. Like:

IT IS MY WILL TO SEE A TALL WOMAN WITH PINK SHOES

Such a wish is entirely unimportant, but not something that one runs into every day, so it's a good test. See how long it takes for the wish to manifest. The practical side of such exercises is that success, though the result is not important itself, increases one's confidence that MAGIC WORKS, which in turn makes success more likely for more important objectives.

There is no way to prove the effacy of sigil magic except by trying it yourself.

Jimmy Page's sigil examined:

http://www.intheligh.../zososymbol.htm

Edited October 22, 2009 by SteveAJones

[SteveAJones]

Jimmy Page and Steve Winwood both sessioned with Joe Cocker in June 1968 (one report has Winwood playing with Joe on June 17th and Jimmy showing up on June 18th). It's likely that Page & Winwood got together immediately afterward, as The Yardbirds were all but broken up and Traffic was on a break through July 26th.

One song is confirmed to have been recorded by Page & Winwood in 1968: "The Bells". It has been rumored that Winwood was the organist on the primitive guitar/keyboard instrumentals that surfaced on the bootleg Olympic Gold, but I think that rumor was based purely on speculation.

BTW, although some bootleg sources claim to contain as many as 11 takes of those guitar/keyboard instrumentals, there are actually only 7 takes in circulation. The rest are just repeats.

"It was just Steve Winwood and myself...wierd instrumental - acoustic and organ - and it never got any further".

-- Jimmy Page

Edited October 22, 2009 by SteveAJones

[SteveAJones]

Further Clarification on The First Rehearsals in London and Pangbourne

"Really, really tiny room - awful! And then after that rehearsals started in my house - the top part of my house anyway - on the River Thames. They (the neighbors) never complained once. We were still rehearsing actually when we were rehearsing the second album. Whole Lotta Love was the last one we rehearsed in the house". -- Jimmy Page

Edited October 22, 2009 by SteveAJones

[dazedjeffy]

Further Clarification on The First Rehearsals in London and Pangbourne

"Really, really tiny room - awful! And then after that rehearsals started in my house - the top part of my house anyway - on the River Thames. They (the neighbors) never complained once. We were still rehearsing actually when we were rehearsing the second album. Whole Lotta Love was the last one we rehearsed in the house". -- Jimmy Page

Do you think that those rehearsals might be the source of these pictures?

[SteveAJones]

Do you think that those rehearsals might be the source of these pictures?

Jimmy and the band practiced in what was meant to be a master bedroom on the second floor. So far as I know the boathouse never had a fireplace.

It could have been taken at The Straw Hat in Rickmansworth, John Paul Jones' home before moving to the larger residence featured in The Song Remains The Same. As a by the way, Jimmy is reading Oz, an Australian music magazine.

I can't say with certainty what the right answer is.

Edited October 22, 2009 by SteveAJones

[SteveAJones]

Led Zeppelin - The Definitive Collection Symbols

At each of the four corners of the boxed set there is a number and this is what they represent:

54: The number of songs on the box set.

69: (19)69, the year the first studio album was released.

79: (19)79, the year the last studio album was released.

(∞): Mathematical symbol for infinity representing how long the music will last.

[Nech]

(∞): Mathematical symbol for infinity representing how long the music will last.

Amen to that brother!

Anyone wanna do a sigil from those btw ?

[kdh]

Now is wolfman refering to the Bray Studio rehearsals or soundchecks to the Copenhagen warm ups ? According to Dave Lewis there was video shot of the Bray studio rehearsals. Wolf, were do you see it that Jason played TU specifically? ... my mind draws a sudden blank.

D'oh! never mind...just fact checked myself and see now that you are referring to the sounchecks of Aud 2nd... thank you TBL guy!

Mr. Jones, any info on the video shot of the Bray studio rehearsals?

[SteveAJones]

Mr. Jones, any info on the video shot of the Bray studio rehearsals?

Only that it was filmed during the late June/early July '79 reheasals for the 1979 Knebworth Festival. So far as I know Jimmy has no plans to release it.

[Deborah J]

Amen to that brother!

Anyone wanna do a sigil from those btw ?

Since Steve's post, I am trying to figure this out....it will take quite some time, but really interesting!

[BUCK'EYE' DOC]

Since Steve's post, I am trying to figure this out....it will take quite some time, but really interesting!

After reading Steve's post the other day, I have been working on a sigil to put a curse on the ZeppFanForever bashers, LOL.

But seriously, I have been thinking about a sigil for some other things that could be helpful to me.

It definitely will take some time to figure out. Just for fun.

I truly don't believe in magic, but I do believe that what you allow in your thoughts will influence your behavior. So if you think negatively, then negative things will happen to you through your negative behavior. If you think positively, then your actions will be postitive and you will have more positive outcomes. This is due to your own actions, not due to some hocus pocus.

But by concentrating your thoughts, and putting them into your subconcious with the sigil, you are focusing on your desired outcome, and your actions and efforts then will be directed at making your desire happen. Nothing magical about that. Just good ole psychology.

[bigstickbonzo]

Mr. Jones~

Heres one for you, although it might have been discussed earlier and answered but I'm not rooting through this maze of wizardry. I was at work the other day when I overheard a few people discussing Zeppelin. They were arguing with each other when Page began smoking cigarettes, they all agreed he'd always smoked during Zeppelin. I chimed in he didn't start until the Sept-Oct '75 California sessions. A bit ridiculous I know, but any ideas when Page first lit up? Cheers.

~Mr. Bonzo

[SteveAJones]

Mr. Jones~

Heres one for you, although it might have been discussed earlier and answered but I'm not rooting through this maze of wizardry. I was at work the other day when I overheard a few people discussing Zeppelin. They were arguing with each other when Page began smoking cigarettes, they all agreed he'd always smoked during Zeppelin. I chimed in he didn't start until the Sept-Oct '75 California sessions. A bit ridiculous I know, but any ideas when Page first lit up? Cheers.

~Mr. Bonzo

Interesting question come to think of it. Let me see what I can come up with. Hopefully others can provide input as well.

[Chicago]

Interesting question come to think of it. Let me see what I can come up with. Hopefully others can provide input as well.

I've yet to see a photo of Jimmy Page smoking a cigarette onstage prior to the 1977 U.S. tour. I do recall from a short interview around that time Page saying he had recently started smoking to piss off some flight attendant while traveling. Sounds convenient.