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The gates opened at 10am but the band didn't arrive til sometime after 2.30pm. They were meant to kick off at 2pm. There would have been no time for a soundcheck in the afternoon. Take a look at these pictures here:

This is my theory of "light and shade" :D

Note the shadows (taller than our souls) being cast to the front of the stage, rather than to the back of the stage in the original photo under question, so if it is Kezar, the soundcheck could have not have been done in the afternoon as the position of the sun had changed to behind the stage. If however what Robert says is true and he didn't just make up an excuse to the crowd for being late. I would like to find out the stage orientations (west-east, north-south) for the other open-air venues.

Meg

If you know the time of photographs and time of the year (the sun lowers in winter, of course) it's very easy to figure this out.

I find it amazing how some people have no clue about directions using orientations of casted shadows and star positions etc. Like if you tell someone to go north, your shadow (assuming the sun is OUT, and your in the northern hemisphere) is cast and the person has NO clue to direction. Of course it's opposite in the southern hemisphere. Or say the night is clear, your point to Polaris (the North Star, assuming your in the northern hemisphere again) and tell someone to go east and they're LOST! :lol:

I've even known fairly smart people who don't realize or conceptualize that the sun rises in the east. This common sense knowledge evades some out there. I heard Einstein couldn't even tie his shoes. :huh:

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I don't have that exact issue at hand but I do know that the Creem journalist for that tour was Lisa Robinson and the photographer was Neil Zlozower.

Meg

I just have the pictures, but not the entire Cream magazine. If anyone does, there might be photo credits...
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Oh, I definately agree, I'd just never thought of it until you suggested it. I thought I

was a complete nutter for documenting the addresses of these venues, but position

of the sun in relation to the venue?! You've taken this to another level. Even the sorcerer salutes you. ;)

As if it wasn't complicated enough already!....eee ghad!~

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Looking thru this cool site:

http://www.oldbuckeye.com/Houses_of_the_Holy/

and some of the venues in question...

you got Braves Stadium

http://www.oldbuckeye.com/Houses_of_the_Ho...ges/image6.html

Tampa...

http://www.oldbuckeye.com/Houses_of_the_Ho...s/image196.html

Kezar

http://www.oldbuckeye.com/Houses_of_the_Ho...s/image177.html

3 rivers

http://www.oldbuckeye.com/Houses_of_the_Ho...s/image152.html

You would think Zep played end zone right ? Seems like Kezar can be crossed off as that's obviously a north south orientation...Seems like 3 rivers is as well.

Atlanta & Tampa not as much so. So.....

Can I be best man ? I'll settle for ring bearer. Even though I do see some obstacles to this union.

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I wonder if the Plant shot in the paper clip is a stock one they used or one of the show as it would mean Robert did a reversal and swapped out his typical short blouse for the long sleeved shirt...

Hmm maybe next we get weather reports to see if got got too cool for Robert's midriff!!!

Love those big screens !!!! Where's the vid?!?!? grrrr. :)

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I think those soundcheck photos are most likely from Atlanta.

http://ledzeppelin.com/show/may-4-1973

And I would still guess they're from Tampa. :D

These two photos certainly look like the boys were actually playing, and all they seem to have done in Atlanta was to go down "to view the place" - according to Jimmy's description in an interview in NME, June 9, 1973. Richard Cole isn't always accurate of course, but he has about four pages on Atlanta in his STH - after all it was a spectacular start of the tour - and no mention of a soundcheck.

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It was never too cool for Robert's midriff, he got off a plane in Chicago in the middle of winter displaying it (and then got the flu he deserved :P ).

Oh yes, that's right (1/26/75), and the band flew to Los Angeles for three days of partying as Robert stayed in bed with the flu at Chicago's Ambassador East Hotel. When they all regrouped in Greensboro (1/29/75) the band turned in what was arguably their worst performance ever!

During an MTV feature on his solo career, Robert commented about his stage attire, explaining he "used to get hellishly cold".

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No. Kezar Stadium is east-west orientation not north-south. Go to Google maps to confirm. Because the sun was behind them in the afternoon show, they would have to have been at the western end of the stadium facing towards the hippies in Haight-Astbury in the east. Which means that if it is Kezar stadium, the unidentified photo would have been taken in the morning, as the sun would have been from the east-south-east, thereby casting the shadows back towards the stage, not towards the front.

Meg

Edited: clarifying statement.

Looking thru this cool site:

http://www.oldbuckeye.com/Houses_of_the_Holy/

and some of the venues in question...

Kezar

http://www.oldbuckeye.com/Houses_of_the_Ho...s/image177.html

You would think Zep played end zone right ? Seems like Kezar can be crossed off as that's obviously a north south orientation...

Edited by Meg Ireland
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Oh yes, that's right (1/26/75), and the band flew to Los Angeles for three days of partying as Robert stayed in bed with the flu at Chicago's Ambassador East Hotel. When they all regrouped in Greensboro (1/29/75) the band turned in what was arguably their worst performance ever!

During an MTV feature on his solo career, Robert commented about his stage attire, explaining he "used to get hellishly cold".

He did and he also quipped that he didn't unbutton his shirt until near the end of the show :D

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No. Kezar Stadium is east-west orientation not north-south. Go to Google maps to confirm.

Meg

I dunno Meg, that pic certainly makes it look like the sun's a coming or going and the shadows are either east west...and by my north/south I meant the end zones.

I would think open air stadiums would've been engineered so as NOT to have the sun rising or setting into the eyes of a team...at least you would think.

And how can you be google mapping it ? It ceased to exist in 1989.

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I dunno Meg, that pic certainly makes it look like the sun's a coming or going and the shadows are either east west...and by my north/south I meant the end zones.

I would think open air stadiums would've been engineered so as NOT to have the sun rising or setting into the eyes of a team...at least you would think.

And how can you be google mapping it ? It ceased to exist in 1989.

The orientation of the new stadium is the same as the old one.

"The field and track configurations remained the same. A replica of the original concrete arch bearing the name "Kezar Stadium" was built on the west side of the stadium as a tribute to the original structure."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kezar_Stadium

From San Francisco's Golden Gate Park by Chris Pollock and Erica Katz, ISBN 1558685456, page 44.

"27: Kezar Stadium and Kezar Pavillion. .... A monument to another era, when college football was still played in leather helmets, the design for the original stadium by Willis Polk was probably inspired by the historic Colosseum in Rome. Park Superintendent John McLaren insisted on one compromise in the stadium's orientation, however. Traditionally, the longest side would have been oriented in the north-south direction so the majority of patrons would not face into the sun. But the layout would have dramatically cut into the park's acerage, so the stadium was oriented east to west."

Edited: additional reference.

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The orientation of the new stadium is the same as the old one.

"The field and track configurations remained the same. A replica of the original concrete arch bearing the name "Kezar Stadium" was built on the west side of the stadium as a tribute to the original structure."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kezar_Stadium

From San Francisco's Golden Gate Park by Chris Pollock and Erica Katz, ISBN 1558685456, page 44.

"27: Kezar Stadium and Kezar Pavillion. .... A monument to another era, when college football was still played in leather helmets, the design for the original stadium by Willis Polk was probably inspired by the historic Colosseum in Rome. Park Superintendent John McLaren insisted on one compromise in the stadium's orientation, however. Traditionally, the longest side would have been oriented in the north-south direction so the majority of patrons would not face into the sun. But the layout would have dramatically cut into the park's acerage, so the stadium was oriented east to west."

Edited: additional reference.

Well that settles that!

:)

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