Aquamarine Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Do you mean this symbol: German Cross I never realized that was a German Cross, I'd thought it were the cross without the blade, which interestingly enough, doesn't offend many jews. Was there something about Scotland's relationship to the Germans that sparked that type of reaction? I am rather surprised to hear of that reaction. Thanks for the video link. I went from there to Beck's Bolero. That song has always moved me so deeply. Yeah, I actually think that is one of my all time favorite songs. Ok, I just listened to it about 4 times in a row and that beat any church service I'd ever been to, lol. I always wanted a copy of Dazed and Confused from the movie without vocals so that it could have the same effect. Back so soon? Oh, and regarding Love--the Damned have next to nothing to do with their popularity. Then or now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetPage Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) Fascinating! There does indeed appear to be a swastika on the medal to the right, yet it's rather like looking at one of those blurry b&w prints of the Loch Ness Monster! Perhaps a clearer image can be found to verify this, or an eagle-eyed collector of World War II memrobilia can discern what medal it is. sorry to interrupt, but I have looked at very closely, and... From my knoweldge, ( I am fluent in read/written Hindi) the symbol DOES NOT appear to be a swastika, in fact, I am most certain it does not represent the Letter in Sanskrit, it is just a Loch Ness Monster...The ending does not match in Sanskrit/Hindi.... (the symbol, anyhow, represents the letter K in English, and it is the First Alphabet of Hindi Language.... http://www.friesian.com/cognates.htm Pls. scroll to bottom.... Edited April 4, 2009 by PlanetPage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurious Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Insofar as the connection to Love, there are seemingly some plausible similarities, but to insist that record features Jeff Beck on guitar would quite possibly be inflammatory to it's many devotees, among them Robert Plant, whom calls the album a personal favorite and has covered selections from it in concert. No, seems to me if Jeff played on that album it would be an established fact by now. Views may vary. Not sure why it would inflame Robert or anybody... As a Yardbirds devotee, I'm not bothered by the appearance of the "Happenings" solo almost note for note, although I do find it interesting. Interestingly enough, the song Plant says is one of his favorite songs - "Old Man" - a beautiful piece - is a Bryan MacLean song, as is "Alone Again Or." MacLean, not Lee, sings the lead vocals on both of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrycja Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Steve, you've posted this pic before but one really can't see the symbol. When I asked if it was an equal armed cross you said again, no a German cross. Out of curiosity, as this was brought up again, I blew this shot up can now see he is wearing two crosses. You probably were refering to the black one but I didn't notice it next to the shiny one, LOL! One is an equal armed cross, of which the design appears to be of the Knights Templar (though some people refer to that as a German cross, there are many other varients as I'm sure you know) AND the other appears, at least to me, to be a Swastika (also, sadly, known as a German cross). So if people were upset (for reasons that were unjust) it was probably over the silver pendant, not the black one. Sadly, maybe not. Though I'm aware of a few of its associations, the first one that comes to mind is still the SS. The black one, a Teutonic or Iron Cross, sends shivers down many a spine depending who you show it to, and it's not because they associate it with the Knights Templar. Couple that with the other one which may look like a swastika (though if the ends are curved could be a pagan sun cross) and you can imagine the uphill battle. Symbols are what people associate them to be. Page may have attributed different meanings to his medallions, but these were working against a context that had learned to associate much more sinister meanings to them. Every now and then it surprises me that he chose to wear such things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 No interuption! Hmmmm, I'm not seeing what you are trying to point out but fascintating link if a little over my head as far as language skill, LOL! What we need is someone better than me with photoshop or some other program that can capture a clearer image of the pendant. I had to change some of the levels to bring it out and it does appear that it could be one of the other versions of the symbol. I'm quite certain it is, look at it from a few angles.... Of course I'm blind as a bat so...but yes, I'm finding this fascinating too! When I blew the shot up I could clearly see he had two rings on his right ring finger. One was thin with a single gem in the middle and the other was a wide band. This is the only shot I've ever seen from this occasion though, wish there were more. Steve, where and when was that again? TIA sorry to interrupt, but I have looked at very closely, and... From my knoweldge, ( I am fluent in read/written Hindi) the symbol DOES NOT appear to be a swastika, in fact, I am most certain it does not represent the Letter in Sanskrit, it is just a Loch Ness Monster...The ending does not match in Sanskrit/Hindi.... (the symbol, anyhow, represents the letter K in English, and it is the First Alphabet of Hindi Language.... http://www.friesian.com/cognates.htm Pls. scroll to bottom.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 From my knoweldge, ( I am fluent in read/written Hindi) the symbol DOES NOT appear to be a swastika, in fact, I am most certain it does not represent the Letter in Sanskrit, it is just a Loch Ness Monster...The ending does not match in Sanskrit/Hindi.... (the symbol, anyhow, represents the letter K in English, and it is the First Alphabet of Hindi Language.... http://www.friesian.com/cognates.htm Pls. scroll to bottom.... Jimmy has recalled going to India alone when the other members of The Yardbirds opted to go to San Francisco instead. This trip would have been circa August 1967, consistent with around the era the photo was taken. Perhaps he acquired it there? The mystery continues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Sadly, maybe not. Though I'm aware of a few of its associations, the first one that comes to mind is still the SS. The black one, a Teutonic or Iron Cross, sends shivers down many a spine depending who you show it to, and it's not because they associate it with the Knights Templar. Couple that with the other one which may look like a swastika (though if the ends are curved could be a pagan sun cross) and you can imagine the uphill battle. Symbols are what people associate them to be. Page may have attributed different meanings to his medallions, but these were working against a context that had learned to associate much more sinister meanings to them. Every now and then it surprises me that he chose to wear such things... Interesting! I had no idea that many people felt that way about hte Teutonic cross also. I imagine Jimmy wore these symbols realizing their real meaning and not careing what others thought. And perhaps hoping to a degree that people might be enlightened by looking further into the meanings. Steve...so sorry to highjack the thread...if anyone is interested we could start a thread on symbolism. It looks like there are several people here that could add a lot to it....could be a great topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Jimmy has recalled going to India alone when the other members of The Yardbirds opted to go to San Francisco instead. This trip would have been circa August 1967, consistent with around the era the photo was taken. Perhaps he acquired it there? The mystery continues! Oh cool! Anyone good with photoshop?? Or any other program? Where's CSI when you need them. I always love all those computer programs they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 This is the only shot I've ever seen from this occasion though, wish there were more. Steve, where and when was that again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Medhb...tks for revealing this...I asked about this earlier, over at Hot pic's of Jimmy....Can anyone explain a little more about this particular piece? tks. I wish I could. It's the first time I've seen it. I'm assuming it is a new piece but my assumption means nothing. Almost certainly custom made and a nice size stone. Since it's black and white it's difficult to determine what the stone is. That would be more telling....if we knew what stone he is wearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 Interesting! I had no idea that many people felt that way about hte Teutonic cross also. I imagine Jimmy wore these symbols realizing their real meaning and not careing what others thought. And perhaps hoping to a degree that people might be enlightened by looking further into the meanings. Steve...so sorry to highjack the thread...if anyone is interested we could start a thread on symbolism. It looks like there are several people here that could add a lot to it....could be a great topic! No worries...still hoping people might be enlightened by looking further into meanings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurious Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Oh, and regarding Love--the Damned have next to nothing to do with their popularity. Then or now. Seeing as the Damned were perhaps in elementary school when Love broke up, sure. But you shouldn't discount those Damned fans in the '80s who went out and acquired Love records because they loved The Damned's cover of Alone Again Or. What a beautiful belt buckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetPage Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 No interuption! Hmmmm, I'm not seeing what you are trying to point out but fascintating link if a little over my head as far as language skill, LOL! What we need is someone better than me with photoshop or some other program that can capture a clearer image of the pendant. I had to change some of the levels to bring it out and it does appear that it could be one of the other versions of the symbol. I'm quite certain it is, look at it from a few angles.... TIA http://www.friesian.com/cognates.htm The Symbol has two many Arms/Legs extending for it to be letter K in Sanskrit/Hindi (This letter represents Swastika)... (Sorry, I knew it just by looking at first glance, and when I looked for the letter Kah (K)...it appeared to be something else, as in some sort of picture... The Swastika can have most is 4 Top/bottom, left/right side...the symbol in question has two many... It is NOT a swastika...I hope it helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Circa '67-'68 and most probably while on tour but I don't know for certain where. Why do I have a feeling this is at the Riot House pool?? Look at the chairs....hmmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 The Symbol has two many Arms/Legs extending for it to be letter K in Sanskrit/Hindi (This letter represents Swastika)... (Sorry, I knew it just by looking at first glance, and when I looked for the letter Kah (K)...it appeared to be something else, as in some sort of picture... The Swastika can have most is 4 Top/bottom, left/right side...the symbol in question has two many... It is NOT a swastika...I hope it helps... I'm not insisting it is a swastika, however I'm not going to insist that it isn't. Or one of the other similar symbols such as the solar cross as someone else mentioned. We can't say anything for sure without seeing a much better picture of the symbol. Too many shadows and you can tell it is a rather rough hewn peice of metal...the surface of the metal itself could be casting shadows that were magnified when I tweaked the pic in photoshop. What is distinct is the definate sharp angles...does anyone know of a similar symbol with such angles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Seeing as the Damned were perhaps in elementary school when Love broke up, sure. But you shouldn't discount those Damned fans in the '80s who went out and acquired Love records because they loved The Damned's cover of Alone Again Or. What a beautiful belt buckle. Why, thank you, though it's rather alarming that you can see me through my computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetPage Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Jimmy has recalled going to India alone when the other members of The Yardbirds opted to go to San Francisco instead. This trip would have been circa August 1967, consistent with around the era the photo was taken. Perhaps he acquired it there? The mystery continues! ...Tks for responding... I am aware of of this trip as per previous discussion a while ago...It is very possible the necklace could be acquired there, but IT IS NOT ACQUIRED for the purpose of Swastika....The construction of the script/letter "KAH" as in english "K" absolutely does not match up....(It is the symbol of Sun, first letter of the Hindi Script)...I have posted some more details in another post... Thank you again, sincerely, PlanetPage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 Why do I have a feeling this is at the Riot House pool?? Look at the chairs....hmmmmm. Possible, though it is also known they lounged around the pool in Montgomery, Alabama on a day off (6/5/68) between the two tour ending gigs at Montgomery International Speedway. Assasination of Robert Kennedy dominated the airwaves of a radio nearby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Aha!! It looks Celyan! To me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetPage Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Aha!! It looks Celyan! To me ...as I said in my previous post MEDHB...the Swastika can have most 4 endings...top/bottom, left/right...please look at the picture pattern....it does not match up... (compare the most shapes) sorry for any confusion...as language often is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 ...Tks for responding... I am aware of of this trip as per previous discussion a while ago...It is very possible the necklace could be acquired there, but IT IS NOT ACQUIRED for the purpose of Swastika....The construction of the script/letter "KAH" as in english "K" absolutely does not match up....(It is the symbol of Sun, first letter of the Hindi Script)...I have posted some more details in another post... Thank you again, sincerely, PlanetPage I'm not disagreeing with you but aren't you assuming it is a Hindu symbol? That was never insinuated unless I missed it a few pages back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetPage Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 (edited) I'm not disagreeing with you but aren't you assuming it is a Hindu symbol? That was never insinuated unless I missed it a few pages back. .....The Swastika is a origin of Hinduism Symbol, a symbol of Sun, first letter of Hindi Alphabet, the Letter KAH as in K.... I took over this thread from the magnified picture onward...as to whether it is a Swastika? or A Monster?... For that matter, it could be anything else as you suggest, you may be right, but finally, I would say, it is not a Nazi Germany Symbol, representing the Swastika...as I understood... Medhb...we are just trying to solve this...no disagreements... :D thanks for helping... Edited April 5, 2009 by PlanetPage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levee Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Aha!! It looks Celyan! To me http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z157/Me...y/swastika4.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tic-tac-toe-game-1.svg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetPage Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Fascinating! There does indeed appear to be a swastika on the medal to the right, yet it's rather like looking at one of those blurry b&w prints of the Loch Ness Monster! Perhaps a clearer image can be found to verify this, or an eagle-eyed collector of World War II memrobilia can discern what medal it is. ....I was responding to this particular symbol in question, next to the Black Cross...It does not match up to be a "Swastika" script... sincerely, PlanetPage :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrycja Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Interesting! I had no idea that many people felt that way about hte Teutonic cross also. I imagine Jimmy wore these symbols realizing their real meaning and not careing what others thought. And perhaps hoping to a degree that people might be enlightened by looking further into the meanings. Steve...so sorry to highjack the thread...if anyone is interested we could start a thread on symbolism. It looks like there are several people here that could add a lot to it....could be a great topic! That would be a very cool thread indeed. It sounds as if there are many here who could enlighten us on symbols and semiotics. I wasn't offended, for the record, nor am I imputing motives, merely used my first impression as an example of others' associations with a symbol. It's a learned response, so how people react is telling in and of itself and worthy of examination. That's the other side benefit of looking further into meanings, both of which I am open to learning more about. sorry to interrupt, but I have looked at very closely, and... From my knoweldge, ( I am fluent in read/written Hindi) the symbol DOES NOT appear to be a swastika, in fact, I am most certain it does not represent the Letter in Sanskrit, it is just a Loch Ness Monster...The ending does not match in Sanskrit/Hindi.... (the symbol, anyhow, represents the letter K in English, and it is the First Alphabet of Hindi Language.... http://www.friesian.com/cognates.htm Pls. scroll to bottom.... Strange that there's no connection made to Semitic roots in the link you provided... And just to clarify, I don't think anyone is assuming Page was wearing THE swastika symbol most commonly attributed to the Nazi regime, just that if it was A swastika or something that looked like it, then people would have made that negative connection regardless of what meaning it had to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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