right-there Posted August 16, 2024 Author Posted August 16, 2024 This was the original DVD cover of the fan version/edition of TSRTS. The version I can send you a link for is an mp4 file with [tisdu] audio. These are the notes that accompanied the first release of the set, as put together by an online identity named 'Eckoes': "The Song Remains the Same is a concert film featuring the English rock band Led Zeppelin. The filming took place during three nights of concerts at Madison Square Garden in New York City in the summer of 1973, with additional footage shot at Shepperton Studios due to cameramen's unacceptable work at the concerts. "The movie is a mixture of fantasy sequence depicting the band members and their managers, some documentary footage shot around the venue, and of course the songs. I've never been really satisfied with this movie, as the concert is constantly interrupted by something. My goal here is to try doing one complete uninterrupted concert out of all official footage available. "Be aware that this movie was badly edited at the time. Especially regarding the sound/visual synchro. I couldn't do much regarding to that, but many problems were fixed officially in 2007 by remixing the sound. Something I could do is creating segues between the songs, and restoring the correct playing order. By using every footage available, and careful audio editing, I think I managed to do some acceptable work. The concert now include every song, in the right order, and the music plays without any interruption. Once a song starts, it is the official edit. Between them is my work, trying to cobble together the various sources. "I used many sources for this, some of them were really hard to find: -The 2007 Blu-Ray, -The 2007 double DVD release, -The Led Zeppelin 2003 double DVD, -8mm footage from the concerts released by the band on Youtube, -An old VHS called "The First Cuts" from the late 80s I guess. -The official soundtrack from 1976 (Cd from the nineties) -The remixed soundtrack from 2007 (double CD)" So, Eckoes put in a lot of work to get as close as possible as he could to his ideal sound and vision of 'The Song Remains The Same'. I think he came pretty darn close, 'cept, of course' [tisdu] takes it a notch or so further performance-soundwise. If you'd like to doublecheck my opinion... Quote
bcarter690 Posted August 19, 2024 Posted August 19, 2024 I just downloaded this version, provided by the creator, 'right-there'. I wasn't going to watch it right away but I decided to see if anything jumped out. I skipped around and then went to 'Dazed & Confused' and I have to say the [tisdu] is definitely dynamic. Over the years, I've heard differing opinions on [tisdu], but I have to say, the sound had more depth to my ears. The video quality is very good. And it's nice to have the encore, 'The Ocean' included. A lot of work went into it and I'd definitely suggest checking it out. Quote
right-there Posted August 20, 2024 Author Posted August 20, 2024 Thanks, Frank. [tisdu] has been around for quite a few years now, and over all those years it's found fans and... not so fans. I feel the treatment comes into its own as video soundtracking. The extra depth in the DVD audio - I work and save files in 32bit/48000Hz - just gives that little more light and shade. And then there are the decibels. The video was originally compiled by another fan, as the previous notes outline. More power to them. Michael Quote
Tone1103 Posted August 20, 2024 Posted August 20, 2024 On 8/14/2024 at 9:18 PM, right-there said: You want a link? I will happily request a link. Thanks in advance! Quote
right-there Posted August 20, 2024 Author Posted August 20, 2024 Hi Tone1103, Link's on its way. Hope you enjoy the show, and can post here either way, yea or nay, so others coming here get the info. Michael Quote
oemlopa Posted August 21, 2024 Posted August 21, 2024 Hi Right-there, I'm curious to hear your vision. and ask for a link please. Jörg Quote
right-there Posted August 21, 2024 Author Posted August 21, 2024 Hello Jörg. The link is coming. Just a click away, Michael Quote
right-there Posted February 5 Author Posted February 5 For various reasons, not the least ongoing engagement with various Forum members on various (that's three times for 'various') sets and shows, the matter of multiple (no, I won't) variations on 'fan editions' of the 1973 concert movie "The Song Remains The Same" led me to revisit this particular version this morning. I'd forgotten, well, not "forgotten", but let slip in my memory how good this version is. It pips the others I've heard and watched by... mmm, 1%? No, 0.05%. Because, they are all very very good, and there's not one where the 'fan(s)' involved put in a weekend's work and decided that was good enough. Each deeply considered approach to improving the experience of watching this movie delivers just that. More songs, more songs played completely, the music put centre stage where sometimes fantasy and documentary elements hijacked the thrust of Zeppelin's performance in the original release. And I like this one. Even more with [tisdu] applied to the audio, this particular fan's contribution to enjoyment of Led Zeppelin live and laying it all out. Quote
nigelss Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Ok. I will ask the question squillions of others want to ask too! Please provide a definition of "tisdu" audio. I thought it stands for "this is stereo down under" and refers to shifting one of the tracks fractionally in time. I would really appreciate an explanation of what is involved in "tisdu"ing the audio referred to in this and other threads. Quote
right-there Posted February 6 Author Posted February 6 10 hours ago, nigelss said: Ok. I will ask the question squillions of others want to ask too! Please provide a definition of "tisdu" audio. I thought it stands for "this is stereo down under" and refers to shifting one of the tracks fractionally in time. I would really appreciate an explanation of what is involved in "tisdu"ing the audio referred to in this and other threads. Hi. Well, essentially, you just defined [tisdu] more succinctly than I ever have. OK, some details. "[tisdu]", probably because I watched too much Monty Python or some other impact on a squiggly corner of my brain, actually was coined as "teased into stereo down under", the first three words describing the result, the 'down under' because of where I live. Almost certainly juvenile, but did I mention Monty Python? The [ ] brackets are there because I hear the resulting sound much 'wider' than the source audio but also sense a right and left 'border' where the [tisdu] sound is crisply held - it doesn't just tail off to nothing in either direction. What do I mean by "wider"? My first experience of Zep boots, a coloured vinyl LP set of Blueberry Hill, was of disappointment that, no matter how high I turned up the volume, the audio still sat in a very narrow delivery 'range' between my two speakers. (We're talking mid-Seventies, by the way.) However, it was only when I started trading compact discs and for one reason or another learned how to rip them, that I, with a digital file before my eyes that I was probably intending to do no more to than increase the volume, had a thought. Dangerous. 'Beatles'. 'Capitol Records'. OK, two thoughts. The Beatles in the Sixties sent their music as mono masters to Capitol Records in the USA for release Stateside. The Capitol execs thought mono was old hat, and had a Stereofication (or some other cute phrase) process applied to be able to release the Beatles in stereo. American ears literally heard the early Beatles differently to British (and Australian) ears. I knew from somewhere how that process 'worked' in physical tape terms (involving razors and tape machine heads), so I decided to try it out digitally (see your original definition above) and separated the left channel from the right. Trial and error led to shunting the right channel 1/20th of a second 'ahead' of the left channel. Subsequently, the audio in the left channel is heard 1/20th of a second before that of the right. Doesn't sound like much (no pun intended), but if you ever listen to a sample source audio and a [tisdu] version in direct sequence, you will hear how significant that 1/20th of a second is. (1/20th may be displayed as 0.05% of a second in your audio editing app.) The other impact, and this has been defined by another Forum member as a "psychoacoustic" phenomenon, is that the earlier arriving sound (that is, the left channel) exaggeratedly dominates - it just sounds louder, even if the actual signal is exactly the same volume level as the right channel. Another exercise in trial and error led to a formula of altering the volume of the left channel to 70% of the right, or if the original source audio is quite low, the right channel 140% of the left. Balance re-established. Or, the apprehension of balance, more accurately. OK, that's how [tisdu] is done. To hear how it works, that requires having a listen. To do that, I can provide a link to deliver you and anyone else interested, a sample file. I sincerely recommend having a listen, as the difference is both marked and immediate. The [tisdu] impact has been described as delivering much more "dynamic" sound. Others have had a listen and not liked that impact at all. That's all good, because [tisdu] is an option, not a dictated replacement. Let YOUR ears decide. Show to show, for that matter, because it is manifestly clear that [tisdu] works best on audio that's pretty well-defined originally - 1975 soundboards 'work' a lot better than Gonzaga 1968. Cleaner sound 'teases' out more clearly than shows that overwhelmed early tapers' recorders. I'm starting to ramble on. If you'd like a link for a compare and contrast, before and after, sample of the impact of [tisdu], drop me a direct message. Thanks for the query, nigelss, I hope I've addressed it and not gone on too much. Michael Quote
nigelss Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Michael, You got me! It is "Teased into stereo...". With that sorted it was easy to track down the description I originally found - see post #59 which mentions a typical delay of 1/20th second so you were on the money. It also mentions the volume difference. Many thanks for your detailed explanation. Nigelss Quote
right-there Posted February 6 Author Posted February 6 Hi Nigelss. Thank you... your emoji's making me dizzy! Michael Quote
nigelss Posted February 6 Posted February 6 20 minutes ago, right-there said: Hi Nigelss. Thank you... your emoji's making me dizzy! Michael The emoji is actually stationary. It is you and everything else which is spinning. Nurse, the screens... Quote
right-there Posted February 7 Author Posted February 7 42 minutes ago, nigelss said: The emoji is actually stationary. It is you and everything else which is spinning. Nurse, the screens... Ah, that explains the rest of the room. Quote
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