spats Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 You cannot talk to him manders, and he wonders why he couldn't shmooze a date in an a drunken slut convention. It's just my opinion. You can't hide your opinions just to impress women. It's not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spats Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I tell you what-When you have a child, you can determine in your household whatever holidays you wish to celebrate or not celebrate with that child. Or which holidays you wish to make a big deal of or not. The fact of the matter is, when it comes to raising children, most of the time, it's the mother who does the majority of the work. Which is why people bond with their mothers, and want to give their mothers a special day. Who are you to judge a person if they want to celebrate their mom or not? If you want to ignore your Mom on Mother's Day, and spend a ton of money on your Dad on Father's Day, fine. More power to you. But don't harsh on other people's day. I never said Mothers Day should not be celebrated. Just saying one is way more hyped than the other. It's like Valentines day. That day is way more hyped in favor of women.. "buy her something special" then it is for guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I never said Mothers Day should not be celebrated. Just saying one is way more hyped than the other. It's like Valentines day. That day is way more hyped in favor of women.. "buy her something special" then it is for guys. I alway's get a gift on Valentines Day. Give and ye shall receive. What a concept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I tell you what-When you have a child, you can determine in your household whatever holidays you wish to celebrate or not celebrate with that child. Or which holidays you wish to make a big deal of or not. The fact of the matter is, when it comes to raising children, most of the time, it's the mother who does the majority of the work. Which is why people bond with their mothers, and want to give their mothers a special day. Who are you to judge a person if they want to celebrate their mom or not? If you want to ignore your Mom on Mother's Day, and spend a ton of money on your Dad on Father's Day, fine. More power to you. But don't harsh on other people's day. Amen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdistancewinner Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 At the risk of sounding like an arsehole I'm not going to mention threads or people, but I'm getting increasingly bothered by certain 'emotional' threads people post. I understand that this is a public forum, and, as such, anyone can say what they please, but does anyone else feel like it's not the place to be dumping all your problems on? If something is so bad in your life, why don't you sort it out first before speaking of it here? I try not to say anything on the 'I don't want sympathy' threads, because I know if I do, it may be something I'll regret. At the end of the day, you do want sympathy - why else would you have posted it? And if you didn't get it, you'd be hurt. I find it very hard to believe that you don't have people in your 'real' world that you can't speak to first before you speak here. I'm not talking about people who've gone through tough times through no fault of their own. I'm not talking about topics established for everyone to contribute on. I'm talking about the people who post the threads that speak of their problems - including the people who've been the reasons for it. It's not your fault someone took that decision, but just how much would they appreciate it if you post it for all to see? I come here to read about Zeppelin and talk about random shit. I don't come here to leave on a complete downer. Why are some people's first posts literally about the evils in their life? I don't need to know that. Yeah, I know that it's life and it happens, but why are you posting it on a Zeppelin board? I'm sympathetic to your situation - but I'm not sympathetic to your post. How can I be? It's the first one you post and we know fuck all about you. Call me heartless, but I couldn't think of a less appropriate introduction to yourself. I know I sound heartless, and I know some will call me whatever on this, but I really don't think that this is an appropriate place to post that kind of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 FWIW, I've often thought that such threads are inappropriate too--partly because they're essentially about people we don't know, who are apparently on this board for no other reason. And while I'm genuinely sorry that people have such problems and feel the need to "talk them out" (and I sometimes get sucked into commenting), I think this is usually the wrong place to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdistancewinner Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 FWIW, I've often thought that such threads are inappropriate too--partly because they're essentially about people we don't know, who are apparently on this board for no other reason. And while I'm genuinely sorry that people have such problems and feel the need to "talk them out" (and I sometimes get sucked into commenting), I think this is usually the wrong place to do it. Aqua, thank you. I honestly thought I would be setting myself up for a barrage of abuse with that peeve. Like I said, I'm sympathetic to their situations, but not their posts. I can't feel sympathy towards someone who doesn't introduce themselves before they say all that's bad in their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Aqua, thank you. I honestly thought I would be setting myself up for a barrage of abuse with that peeve. Like I said, I'm sympathetic to their situations, but not their posts. I can't feel sympathy towards someone who doesn't introduce themselves before they say all that's bad in their lives. I agree with both of you and I know where you are coming from. It's not being unsympathetic at all. There's a time and place for certain things and sometimes here isn't the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 longdistance and aqua, i think it's the anonymity that gives them the guts to say what's on their mind. i think they can't say this stuff to their friends. and this is the general forum. the place for all things UN zeppelin in my book. i don't have a problem with ANY thread. if i don't like the content, i don't read it anymore, and i certainly don't comment. easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~tangerine~ Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 longdistance and aqua, i think it's the anonymity that gives them the guts to say what's on their mind. i think they can't say this stuff to their friends. and this is the general forum. the place for all things UN zeppelin in my book. i don't have a problem with ANY thread. if i don't like the content, i don't read it anymore, and i certainly don't comment. easy. I was thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I was thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdistancewinner Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I understand why they do it. People have to talk. I've done it on the Mental Illness thread. But that was an established thread for everyone to contribute on. It's for discussion - not sympathy. Some of these threads are just sprung from nowhere, and you're reading something that is incredibly personal. I just don't think it's appropriate. It's all well and good saying, 'if you don't like it, don't read it', but sometimes you do read threads. Sometimes you don't know what they're about until you read them. I guess I'm at a loss as to why you'd come here of all places to unburden yourself. Like I said, it's a public forum, and people can say as they please, but is it the right place? No, I don't think so. I just think you have to be careful when people make these kind of threads, especially when they don't acknowledge the very specific reason that they ought to be here - i.e. the band. I hope you don't think bad of me because of this. It's just my pet peeve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~tangerine~ Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I understand why they do it. People have to talk. I've done it on the Mental Illness thread. But that was an established thread for everyone to contribute on. It's for discussion - not sympathy. Some of these threads are just sprung from nowhere, and you're reading something that is incredibly personal. I just don't think it's appropriate. It's all well and good saying, 'if you don't like it, don't read it', but sometimes you do read threads. Sometimes you don't know what they're about until you read them. I guess I'm at a loss as to why you'd come here of all places to unburden yourself. Like I said, it's a public forum, and people can say as they please, but is it the right place? No, I don't think so. I just think you have to be careful when people make these kind of threads, especially when they don't acknowledge the very specific reason that they ought to be here - i.e. the band. I hope you don't think bad of me because of this. It's just my pet peeve. I see your point. I feel the way "slave to zep" feels. I think people have different judgement, and not all is good. I know mine isn't always the most appropriate, and sometimes just take comfort in knowing that most people here don't know me in person if i reveal too much. Your complaint makes me think of the bigger picture, here... the internet... and all the so very inappropriate and dangerous parts of it. Being too open to strangers about your issues here... not that big a deal, versus all the very crude pornography easily found everywhere on this little machine, that is much more disturbing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I understand why they do it. People have to talk. I've done it on the Mental Illness thread. But that was an established thread for everyone to contribute on. It's for discussion - not sympathy. Some of these threads are just sprung from nowhere, and you're reading something that is incredibly personal. I just don't think it's appropriate. It's all well and good saying, 'if you don't like it, don't read it', but sometimes you do read threads. Sometimes you don't know what they're about until you read them. I guess I'm at a loss as to why you'd come here of all places to unburden yourself. Like I said, it's a public forum, and people can say as they please, but is it the right place? No, I don't think so. I just think you have to be careful when people make these kind of threads, especially when they don't acknowledge the very specific reason that they ought to be here - i.e. the band. I hope you don't think bad of me because of this. It's just my pet peeve. now i am really cofused. you admit to doing it yourself on the mental illness thread ......... i don't get the bit about them " not acknowledging the very specific reason that they ought to be here - ie the band " ...... so, what, you aren't allowed to contribute to this forum unless it's about the band ? i would agree with you if they had posted that thread in the main forum under news or something, but this is the general forum. this is exactly where it should be! she is asking for help, and for all we know, she has no other option than us. granted it's unlikely, but as i said before, i think they wanted an honest unbiased opinion. friends can't always do that, y'know ? i get that it's just your pet peeve, and no, i don't think bad of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdistancewinner Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I see your point. I feel the way "slave to zep" feels. I think people have different judgement, and not all is good. I know mine isn't always the most appropriate, and sometimes just take comfort in knowing that most people here don't know me in person if i reveal too much. Your complaint makes me think of the bigger picture, here... the internet... and all the so very inappropriate and dangerous parts of it. Being too open to strangers about your issues here... not that big a deal, versus all the very crude pornography easily found everywhere on this little machine, that is much more disturbing to me. I definately understand where you're coming from. I mean, even though nothing about me is physically given to show my identity, I still worry that I've revealed too much. I'll think, 'I shouldn't have said that', and worry about it. I even feel like that regarding this subject. I have no problems with people speaking of such traumas - life isn't perfect, and these things happen, though they shouldn't - but I think there are better places for them, especially if it's to be your first post. You can pour your heart out here, and, just because you have the freedom to, that can be a wonderful thing to do - but there's a lot of weirdos lurking on this site. And I can't trust that everyone is genuine. If you're an established member, it's a different story - though I still think you can unburden yourself appropriately - i.e. PM's. And, as sad and as cynical as it is, I can't always trust that some of these posts are genuine. As horrific as they are, I'd like to think that if you're going to post these kind of things, they ought to be genuine. I don't even want to think about why someone would say these things if they're not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~tangerine~ Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I definately understand where you're coming from. I mean, even though nothing about me is physically given to show my identity, I still worry that I've revealed too much. I'll think, 'I shouldn't have said that', and worry about it. I even feel like that regarding this subject. I have no problems with people speaking of such traumas - life isn't perfect, and these things happen, though they shouldn't - but I think there are better places for them, especially if it's to be your first post. You can pour your heart out here, and, just because you have the freedom to, that can be a wonderful thing to do - but there's a lot of weirdos lurking on this site. And I can't trust that everyone is genuine. If you're an established member, it's a different story - though I still think you can unburden yourself appropriately - i.e. PM's. And, as sad and as cynical as it is, I can't always trust that some of these posts are genuine. As horrific as they are, I'd like to think that if you're going to post these kind of things, they ought to be genuine. I don't even want to think about why someone would say these things if they're not true. Alot of truth in what you have said, too. I understand you feel as a first post, making a thread so personal is strange. I first wondered if the poster was someone else who we may know, but didn't want to be identified. Something a once very close person in my life said to me, in regards to posts he made, was "you have to take it with a grain of salt". Well in the end, he should have been taken with a grain of salt, lol but my point is what you have just said, you don't know what's genuine all the time. I personally don't feel foolish if someone is trying to pull a stunt and i gave a truthful response to their thread. Spats for example and his thread. Most people questioned if he was trying to dupe us. I still participated when i felt like it, and didn't care if it was a lie. I always thought he was being honest (i'm naive when it comes to internet friends sometimes), but would not have felt fooled if he ever admitted it was all bs. As for lurkers and weirdos, that is an increasing worry of mine (i think it's being a mom that made me care about this subject).... because the internet has so much danger and trash on it. There may be some here, but the most popular sites, for example, MySpace, is totally worrisome. In general, too much opportunity for predators... and too much pornography ( i have a hard time believing it's so readily available). The world is strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdistancewinner Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 now i am really cofused. you admit to doing it yourself on the mental illness thread ......... i don't get the bit about them " not acknowledging the very specific reason that they ought to be here - ie the band " ...... so, what, you aren't allowed to contribute to this forum unless it's about the band ? i would agree with you if they had posted that thread in the main forum under news or something, but this is the general forum. this is exactly where it should be! she is asking for help, and for all we know, she has no other option than us. granted it's unlikely, but as i said before, i think they wanted an honest unbiased opinion. friends can't always do that, y'know ? i get that it's just your pet peeve, and no, i don't think bad of you. Well, this is a Led Zeppelin forum - general or not. It can be an obscure place to be at the best of times, but when you don't frequent much, or it's your first time, I just don't think it's appropriate. With regards to the Mental Illness thread - yes, I've posted on it, but so have a lot of people. It wasn't designed to be just one person's particular struggle about their illness, it was about how all people cope with mental illness. The OP wasn't just telling us how they were, they were hoping people could contribute. Plenty of people speak on it just as much for discussion - i.e. medications, cognitive therapies, excercise, etc - as they do their illness. I'm not saying you can't contribute to the General board, I'm just saying it's a strange thing to do. It's a Zeppelin board - all of it - and there are thousands upon thousands of boards out there that are more suited for these kind of threads. And I'm not being specific to just one thread, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~tangerine~ Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 i don't get the bit about them " not acknowledging the very specific reason that they ought to be here - ie the band " ...... so, what, you aren't allowed to contribute to this forum unless it's about the band ? i would agree with you if they had posted that thread in the main forum under news or something, but this is the general forum. this is exactly where it should be! she is asking for help, and for all we know, she has no other option than us. granted it's unlikely, but as i said before, i think they wanted an honest unbiased opinion. friends can't always do that, y'know ? i get that it's just your pet peeve, and no, i don't think bad of you. Again, good points. I remember years ago on this site someone sounding like they were going to commit suicide. Some here may remember this. I don't recall the details, but they made a thread about it, and by the next day it was deleted. It sounded serious and not a stunt. I don't think any of us ever knew what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 i have to go to work now, but i would really like to keep this discussion going. i will be back in about 10 hours ........cheers for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Bonnie~ Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I never said Mothers Day should not be celebrated. Just saying one is way more hyped than the other. It's like Valentines day. That day is way more hyped in favor of women.. "buy her something special" then it is for guys. Do me a favor. This weekend, go someplace public that is family-friendly. The food court at the mall, for example. Wear sunglasses, so noone can tell you are looking at them, and then sit back and observe. Watch people with children, and make sure to pay attention to who is doing the parenting. You will notice that Mothers and Fathers DO NOT do equal amount of work when it comes to their children. If one person works harder than the other, why should they both get equal reward? That'd be like having two employees, and one does twice the amount of work as the other, but yet you give them both the same pay raise. Doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I'm not saying you can't contribute to the General board, I'm just saying it's a strange thing to do. It's a Zeppelin board - all of it - and there are thousands upon thousands of boards out there that are more suited for these kind of threads. And I'm not being specific to just one thread, either. Just to make one more point about this--I totally understand that it's the very anonymity that makes people feel free to express their feelings. But it's actually very sad that they come here to do it, when there are many other forums out there dedicated to people who have similar problems, who might be able to offer advice from the point of view of someone who's walked in those shoes. (It was a good point that you can't know whether a thread is of interest to you or not until you've actually read it, too. I don't have a problem with any thread either, STZ, for the most part--but I do have a problem with some of the people reading these threads, and it's alarming how vulnerable to those people some of these posters make themselves, if you catch my drift.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxie Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 80's has-been, knee-pad, spandex wearing rock stars that who like to break hearts. Yeah I'm bitter and peeved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Hartman Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 It's just my opinion. You can't hide your opinions just to impress women. It's not worth it. Just piss the fuck off Spats, you sound like a 2 year old who needs his diaper changed. GROW UP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdistancewinner Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Just to make one more point about this--I totally understand that it's the very anonymity that makes people feel free to express their feelings. But it's actually very sad that they come here to do it, when there are many other forums out there dedicated to people who have similar problems, who might be able to offer advice from the point of view of someone who's walked in those shoes. (It was a good point that you can't know whether a thread is of interest to you or not until you've actually read it, too. I don't have a problem with any thread either, STZ, for the most part--but I do have a problem with some of the people reading these threads, and it's alarming how vulnerable to those people some of these posters make themselves, if you catch my drift.) Precisely - just because a thread has a title/subtitle, that doesn't mean it necessarily determines whether I'm interested or not. Sometimes you read threads as quick as a flash, other times you read them for as long as they take. In the case of the thread mentioned, I read it thinking there'd be some kind of success story behind it. I read it thinking there'd be some '...and Zeppelin helped me' silverlining. Instead, it just jumps straight to the point, full tilt boogie, and I haven't got a clue who the person is. There are plenty of threads that speak of the posters hardtimes, but they are usually by established members who I trust are here genuinely. Everytime I see a 'newb' I'm thinking, 'Is this so-and-so, again?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Hartman Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Sorry I just couldn't understand how women having a mothers day as a holiday hurt Spats any. I guess I better go check on my volunteer work. Good day all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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