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Is Burn like a candle better than HTWWW?

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I've just recently got hold of a copy of "Burn Like a Candle" which is the show that was used for the majority of HTWWW.

Is it just me, but I actually prefer the "raw" audience recording more than the polished produced sound on HTWWW.

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I do as well....I like bootlegs over official releases anyday. I remember listening to the Royal Albert Hall fragment (from Lemon Song) so much that when I got the DVD I started to miss the old muddy radio brodcast. kinda crazy if you think about it. I think it has more to do with me listening to audiance recordings for 25+ years, they kind of grow on you. and then when you hear a fresh clean version, it's like your not hearing the same show.

I really like they way they are taking SB recordings and mixing them with great audiance (matrix). I will take some more of those instead.

plus+ the editing on these official releases is for the birds! :(

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I do as well....I like bootlegs over official releases anyday. I remember listening to the Royal Albert Hall fragment (from Lemon Song) so much that when I got the DVD I started to miss the old muddy radio brodcast. kinda crazy if you think about it. I think it has more to do with me listening to audiance recordings for 25+ years, they kind of grow on you. and then when you hear a fresh clean version, it's like your not hearing the same show.

I really like they way they are taking SB recordings and mixing them with great audiance (matrix). I will take some more of those instead.

plus+ the editing on these official releases is for the birds! :(

It's definitely a more complete show. I have the version called "Heartbreak Hotel". I prefer the version of Rock and Roll on mine and probably Stairway to Heaven and SIBLY - these versions were better than the ones on HTWWW

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It's definitely a more complete show. I have the version called "Heartbreak Hotel". I prefer the version of Rock and Roll on mine and probably Stairway to Heaven and SIBLY - these versions were better than the ones on HTWWW

You've actually picked the songs that were sourced from the Long Beach show of the 27th, not the LA forum show of the 25th, which was 'Heartbreak Hotel' and 'Burn like a Candle'....

Did you know that ? You're very discerning. B)

Check here for reference sources for HTWWW...

http://www.thegardentapes.co.uk/htwww.html

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Yes and No...

Yes: HTWWW is better in sound quality an delivers the "perfectionism" of what Led Zeppelin was about to project while playing. It really takes you like it was played yesterday.

No: The bootlegs always offers "AS-IS" policy in what happened and what was played. Also, the sound quality drops a lot, but you get that atmoshpere that the "crowd fade in & out" between songs doesn't. You get unadultered and unedited songs, plus material not released officially. Also, you won't get the "Knife of Perfectionism" by Jimmy Page.

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You've actually picked the songs that were sourced from the Long Beach show of the 27th, not the LA forum show of the 25th, which was 'Heartbreak Hotel' and 'Burn like a Candle'....

Did you know that ? You're very discerning. B)

Check here for reference sources for HTWWW...

http://www.thegardentapes.co.uk/htwww.html

Esteemed Joelmon -

I have a missing link pressing of Heartbreak Hotel which states "LA Forum"....the versions of the songs i prefer are on this one.....i think u misread but thanks anyway. the black dog and othafa on htwww are from this if i recall!.....cheers

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Esteemed Joelmon -

I have a missing link pressing of Heartbreak Hotel which states "LA Forum"....the versions of the songs i prefer are on this one.....i think u misread but thanks anyway. the black dog and othafa on htwww are from this if i recall!.....cheers

Oh...my confusion.....thanks for pointing that out.

I was having a dyslexic moment. :D

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Yes and No...

Yes: HTWWW is better in sound quality an delivers the "perfectionism" of what Led Zeppelin was about to project while playing. It really takes you like it was played yesterday.

No: The bootlegs always offers "AS-IS" policy in what happened and what was played. Also, the sound quality drops a lot, but you get that atmoshpere that the "crowd fade in & out" between songs doesn't. You get unadultered and unedited songs, plus material not released officially. Also, you won't get the "Knife of Perfectionism" by Jimmy Page.

Amen to that, really! B)

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I prefer Candle over HTWWW personally. I love the atmosphere and performance and the fact its an unedited presentation of the band. HTWWW is great but I havent listened to it much since I got boots of Candle and the 27th.

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I think they both serve a purpose and both deserve to exist

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I think they both serve a purpose and both deserve to exist

Yep. But why Page left off Communication Breakdown and Louis Louis will remain a mystery. Sad.

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Yep. But why Page left off Communication Breakdown and Louis Louis will remain a mystery. Sad.

Or why they took out the dedication to LA off from the beginning of WLL (that people from elsewhere would get jealous?) and edited the whole medley leaving out great stuff like "Slow Down". Beats me but I am glad we can get both. Well, I wouldn't mind having the audio quality of HTWWW AND the original content, eh? :D

Cheers!

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Well, I wouldn't mind having the audio quality of HTWWW AND the original content

This possibly/probably exists...Depending of course on Kevin Shirley's work methods, he could have mixed the whole show before they edited out the parts you talked about. Meaning that somewhere a mix of these songs would exist.

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If they released HTWWW with Louis Louis , wouldn't they have to give part of the money from that album to the writers of that song! I know they Incorporated other people songs into their songs, but since its only tidbits of said song, it doesn't need to be credited? Like did the writer of "San Fransisco" got money from TSRTS. or even the tunes they threw in Wholo Lotta love.

Heres another question, if Page released the 77 forum shows somehow, and master them like he did with TSRTS and HTWWW, would you guys still love Listen to this Eddie and badge-holders more.

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If they released HTWWW with Louis Louis , wouldn't they have to give part of the money from that album to the writers of that song! I know they Incorporated other people songs into their songs, but since its only tidbits of said song, it doesn't need to be credited? Like did the writer of "San Fransisco" got money from TSRTS. or even the tunes they threw in Wholo Lotta love.

They should pay royalties to anyone whose music is incorporated into the recording (whether they do is another matter!) Technically they should have paid royalties every time they played a cover on stage, and I don't think they did. The HTWWW album does include credits for the various covers they played, however.

Would San Francisco get royalties? That's a bit of a grey area - Jimmy's playing is all original and Robert did a lot of improvisation around the original lyrics, so I think they would have a case to argue that it is a new work and don't owe royalties.

Heres another question, if Page released the 77 forum shows somehow, and master them like he did with TSRTS and HTWWW, would you guys still love Listen to this Eddie and badge-holders more.

They would all have a place, I think. Each fulfilling a different purpose. The whole thing about a live recording is that is it just that - a recording. Every person who goes to a show experiences it differently, depending on where they sit etc. A recording reflects that difference of experience. Obviously a fully mixed and mastered multi-track recording will give the best aural experience.

But part of the fun of collecting and listening to bootlegs is to do with the history of that particular show - when it was, who recorded it and how, what songs were played, what improvs were done, what Plantations Robert made, what mistakes happened. So bootleg recordings will always have a place.

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if Page released the 77 forum shows somehow, and master them like he did with TSRTS and HTWWW, would you guys still love Listen to this Eddie and badge-holders more.

As nice as those audience recordings sound, it's tough to beat a professionally recorded and mixed CD set. I'd buy an official release of that material in a heartbeat. But I'd keep Eddie around because inevitably there'd be some bits that Page would want to edit out of the official release for whatever reason, and I still want to have the full show, with all its quirks.

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Well, I don't mind Jimmy's editing on the official releases but what I miss the most are the Plantations.

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Well, I don't mind Jimmy's editing on the official releases but what I miss the most are the Plantations.

I personally don't mind the editing either. But if I could change anything about the official releases, I'd also add in a lot more of Plant's jabbering between songs.

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