Question about Master Recordings

[MisterMcLov1n]

This is a query for the recording buffs here.

I'd like to know which songs recorded by Led Zeppelin have a track recorded for every instrument, including lead guitar, rhythm guitar, bass, lead vocals, backing vocals, and a track for each seperate drum pad and cymbal?

I'm not sure if this thread belongs here or in the polls forum. If this needs to be moved, sorry.

[MisterMcLov1n]

Surely, someone knows the answer to this?

[Pb Derigable]

I don't understand what you are asking. are you wondering if there are multitracks out there for zep! Some people say there isn't but i say there is, there just looked up in a vault.

[PJD]

I also am not sure what you're looking for. They recorded the albums on analog multi track tape decks. There was bleed but generally every instrument has it's own track on the tape. The drums were usually miced with a combination of various room mics rather than the more "modern" technique of micing every drum and having two overhead mics.

[MisterMcLov1n]

Not asking if they are available, I'm asking if they were recorded that way.

PJD, hm that's not good. I'm asking this because the forum members at Rock Band.com want to know if Zep's master tracks could be usable in the game if they were licensed, which means that every pad and cymbal needs its own track.

[Pb Derigable]

Almost every song on Guitar hero and Rockband have the songs rerecorded by another artist. All the songs except Primus and few others, are not the the oringinal song. Most likely for that exact same reason of trying to get each part on a difffent track, and to make the song simplier. You can hack your guitar hero game to include zep songs. there are vidoes of it on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYZU-oc6YYU

[FireOpal]

While we're on the subject though -- not of video games, but of recording -- I was told last week that most of the Zep albums were recorded on 16 tracks on 2" tape, then it was all mixed down onto 1/2" tape. Is that right?

[huw]

The Zep albums were recorded at numerous different studios, sometimes not at a studio at all but using a mobile recording truck.

So some will be 16 track, but some will be 24, & IIRC some of the earliest will be 8 track.

But 2" multitrack, down to 1/2" stereo master was fairly standard.

[Pb Derigable]

Maybe thats the reason that music from the 50's to the 70's are usually considered the best, because you have to keep the songs simple because you only had 4,8,16 tracks to work with. Somebody i know has an 32 track recording studio in his home. He one time recored-ed a song for my jam band in his studio. It came out real good, but we all thought the same song recorded on my cassette tape Tascam 4 track came out better. We did use distant mikings and other tricks in the studio with 24 tracks recording. but with the two mikes over the drummer, two in front of the bass and guitar amps. (Singer later overdubbed) on my 4 track tape just sounded better. The studio sounded professional with the compression, pitch correction, and clarity but we always thought we lost that live sound that we both love from Zep.

[MisterMcLov1n]

Almost every song on Guitar hero and Rockband have the songs rerecorded by another artist.

Uh... no.

List of master recordings in Rock Band:

Rolling Stones "Gimme Shelter"

The Who "Won't Get Fooled Again"

Boston "Foreplay/Long Time"

The Police "Next to You"

David Bowie "Suffragette City"

Blue Oyster Cult "Don't Fear the Reaper"

The Ramones "Blitzkrieg Bop"

Deep Purple "Highway Star"

KISS "Detroit Rock City"

Molly Hatchet "Flirtin' With Disaster"

Bon Jovi "Wanted Dead or Alive"

The Clash "Should I Stay or Should I Go"

Faith No More "Epic"

Pixies "Wave of Mutilation"

R.E.M. "Orange Crush"

Foo Fighters "Learn to Fly"

Metallica "Enter Sandman"

Nirvana "In Bloom"

Stone Temple Pilots "Vasoline"

Weezer "Say It Ain't So"

Smashing Pumpkins "Cherub Rock"

Radiohead "Creep"

Beastie Boys "Sabotage"

Hole "Celebrity Skin"

Garbage "I Think I'm Paranoid"

Soundgarden "Black Hole Sun"

The Hives "Main Offender"

Queens of the Stone Age "Go With the Flow"

The Strokes "Reptilia"

Jet "Are You Gonna Be My Girl"

OK Go "Here It Goes Again"

Nine Inch Nails "The Hand That Feeds"

Yeah Yeah Yeahs "Maps"

Red Hot Chili Peppers "Dani California"

Coheed & Cambria "Welcome Home"

Fallout Boy "Dead on Arrival"

The Killers "When You Were Young"

New Pornographers "Electric Version"

Metallica "Ride the Lightning"

Metallica "Blackened"

Metallica "And Justice for All"

Police "Can't Stand Losing You"

Police "Synchronicity II"

Police "Roxanne"

Queens of the Stone Age "3's and 7's"

Queens of the Stone Age "Little Sister"

Queens of the Stone Age "Sick Sick Sick"

David Bowie "Moonage Daydream"

Radiohead "My Iron Lung"

Weezer "Buddy Holly"

30 Seconds to Mars "Attack"

30 Seconds to Mars "The Kill"

All-American Rejects "Dirty Little Secret"

All-American Rejects "Move Along"

The Sounds "Song with a Mission"

Lynyrd Skynyrd "Gimme Three Steps"

Stone Temple Pilots "Interstate Love Song"

Blink 182 "All the Small Things"

Oasis "Don't Look Back in Anger"

Oasis "Live Forever"

Oasis "Wonderwall"

Smashing Pumpkins "Siva"

B-52's "Roam"

Faith No More "We Care a Lot"

Kiss "Calling Dr. Love"

The Clash "Complete Control"

The Police "Truth Hits Everybody"

The Ramones "Teenage Lobotomy"

Stone Temple Pilots "Sex Type Thing"

Weezer "El Scorcho"

Garbage "Why Do You Love Me"

Nine Inch Nails "March of the Pigs"

Nine Inch Nails "The Collector"

Nine Inch Nails "The Perfect Drug"

Grateful Dead "China Cat Sunflower"

Grateful Dead "Casey Jones"

Grateful Dead "Sugar Magnolia"

Grateful Dead "Truckin"

Grateful Dead "Franklin's Tower"

Grateful Dead "I Need A Miracle"

Paramore "crushcrushcrush"

Serj Tankian "Beethoven's C***"

The Black Tide "Shockwave"

The Who "Baba O'Riley"

The Who "Bargain"

The Who "Love Ain't for Keeping"

The Who "My Wife"

The Who "The Song Is Over"

The Who "Getting In Tune"

The Who "Going Mobile"

The Who "Behind Blue Eyes"

List of master recordings in Guitar Hero 3:

Beastie Boys "Sabotage"

Rage Against the Machine "Bulls on Parade"

The Strokes "Reptilia"

The Killers "When You were Young"

AFI "Miss Murder"

Priestess "Lay Down"

Rolling Stones "Paint it, Black"

RHCP "Suck my Kiss"

Weezer "My Name is Jonas"

Pearl Jam "Even Flow"

Aerosmith "Same Old Song and Dance"

Guns N' Roses "Welcome to the Jungle"

The Smashing Pumkins "Cherub Rock"

Muse "Knights of Cydonia"

Metallica "One"

Iron Maiden "The Number of the Beast"

Boston "Peace of Mind"

Journey "Any Way You Want It"

Foreigner "Juke Box Hero"

Mastodon "Sleeping Giant"

Linkin Park "No More Sorrow"

Slayer "Raining Blood"

DragonForce "Through the Fire and Flames"

Steve Vai "Halo Theme: MJOLNIR Mix"

Foo Fighters "The Pretender"

Velvet Revolver "Slither"

And thank you to whoever answered. But are there any specific albums in which the songs had more than 8 tracks?

[Pb Derigable]

from the wiki

The game features over 60 total songs, many of which, in contrast to previous games, are master tracks. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock.

good catch

[MisterMcLov1n]

Also, modding the game is quite difficult and impossible for me at the moment since my comp doesn't have a DVD drive.

[Pb Derigable]

from the wiki

In 1968 Ampex built the first prototype sixteen-track recorder at the request of Mirasound Studios in New York City. Not long after it this it introduced the production model MM-1000, the first commercially available 16-track recording machine. One of these machines was installed at CBS Studios in New York City where it was used to record songs for the second album by Blood, Sweat & Tears and "The Boxer" by Simon and Garfunkel both released in early 1969. 1968's "Crimson And Clover" by Tommy James and the Shondells was among the first sixteen-track recordings to be released (mixed to stereo and mono); another was Frank Zappa's 1969 album Hot Rats, recorded at various studios in Los Angeles. (A 1987 remix of the opening track, "Peaches En Regalia", became the first compact disc single, years later.) Another early 16 track recording was Volunteers by Jefferson Airplane also from 1969. The back of the Jefferson Airplane album cover includes a picture of the MM-1000.

The first 16-track machine in the U.K. probably the one installed at Trident Studios, London in late 1969.

I saw a quote from John Paul Jones about finally using an 16 track in 1972 which i think he based it off of the Rolling stones moblie truck.

from the wiki

"Originally the unit supported a maximum of 20 microphones and had an 8-channel recording format. As the Mobile began to be used for live recording, the 8-channel format quickly proved insufficient and an upgrade to 16-track took place."

So from what i gather it was the first two and part or most of the 3rd. and maybe the fourth. which had an 8 track recording. I know page has the mixing console from the truck intalled at his house for his long overdue chronlogical live project. i assuming it's the 16track when they went to 24 track.

[Pb Derigable]

I tried it with guitar hero II. I got bored after a while. I did do the superman trick for Grandtheft auto. It the one where you can make the guy fly and blow people away like super man.

this guy took it farther then me.

[FireOpal]

I know page has the mixing console from the truck intalled at his house for his long overdue chronlogical live project

"Has" as in right now?! Awesomeness. Maybe when he's done with it he'll donate the console to the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. Not bloody likely, but we can dream...

[Pb Derigable]

Im sorry, it was the Pyle mobile recording trucks console. It the same unit used to record them at Royal Albert Hall and the who live at leeds. I completly got it screwed up. I have a feeling he still has it, becasue it seems like he keeps everthing. maybe sombody else know for sure. This si all in the dave lewis concert files book

[Pb Derigable]

I love all thsi recording shit. i just love audio. but this my favorit part. here a website with a whole buc=ch of jimmy pages studio tricks

http://www.led-zeppelin.org/reference/inde...?m=assortedinfo

[FireOpal]

Gawwh!! Thanks for that link - this is the kind of info I've been looking for...

[Pb Derigable]

Gawwh!! Thanks for that link - this is the kind of info I've been looking for...

That site and the IFMTL page were the one that made jimmy page my hero, then i read the Hammer of the Gods book and bought a bass the next day.