The Next President of the USA will be?

[Lake of Shadows]

Now, to LakeofShadows, eternal light, Suz, Hermit and some of the other Obama

people here, beware the saying: Be careful what you wish for.

With Obama winning and the Dems controlling both the Senate and the House, it

is now up to the Democrats to put up or shut up.

Let's hope they have learned the lessons of 1976 and 1992.

I have faith in Obama. But I have zero faith in Nancy Pelosi. She knows about

as much about the economy as Sarah Palin does about Russia. And just as the

Republicans have a few right wing nutjobs, so too do the Dems have some looney

libs that will only do Obama and the Dems harm if they get off-track and try to

implement dubious economic legislation or pander to the 9/11 conspiracy crowd.

Even with the recent economic woes, history has shown that the best economic system

is still free-market capitalism combined with a democratic government.

Marxism, socialism, communism, whatever you want to call it, does not work...and

never will.

The Dems will also have to beware the shenanigans that rich right-wing wackos like

Richard Scialfe and Harold Simmons will be trying to use to undermine any attempt

by Obama to govern...and let's hope the media doesn't take the bait like they did

with Whitewater and the Swiftboat ruses.

Whatever happens now, it is going to take a long time to fix the mess we've gotten

ourselves in...there are no quick fixes. And sacrifices will have to be made.

But after last night, for the first time in 8 years, I have hope that better days are

still to come and the good old U.S. of A. will be back on its feet and we can again

be a shining beacon for liberty, equality and justice.

Well, this post is more tolerable and tolerant than the previous one.

That's a pretty broad brush you're using.

I'm not a fan of Pelosi either.

I'm also aware that there are nutjobs on both sides of the aisle. In general, my view is that we need extremists (on both sides) to make sure the rest of us don't ignore things or get too complacent, but God help us if they ever get in power.

As for your opinion of the south, you forgot a wisecrack about incest, but other than that, I think you got most of the cheap shot stereotype stuff in there.

I lived in northern Alabama for most of the 70s, a few years in the early 80s, and again since 1996. A lot of things have changed, maybe not as fast as I or others might like, but change does happen... evuhn dahn heeya in the soweth.

There are a lot of things I don't like about this area, and there are a lot of attitudes held by a lot of people that I don't agree with. But there are also some wonderful things about it and a lot of the people who live here.

Seein' how it's such an awful place full of narrow-minded, bigoted rednecks and their skanky women... maybe you can spare yourself some heartburn and just stay the hell out of it... and try to get used to polyester underwear.

Perhaps it just takes the intolerant to point out the intolerance of others...

[alwizard03]

Robert Novak? You're kidding, right? You're posting a story by Robert effing Novak?!?

He's one of the biggest hack fraud journo's around(cf. Valerie Plame), with about as much

credibility as Del, Pg, FirstLedZep and the other Bush teabaggers here, so what Novak says

means zilch, nada. You might as well post an Ann Coulter article.

THE FIRST LEDZEP loses

That would be nice if the Southern States would actually ACT like they are part of the USA.

But they don't. I've spent quite a few years living in the South before, and just recently

spent a couple of weeks there driving through and going to some of the McCain/Palin

rallies.

And, with the exception of a few pockets of rational educated people, it's a cesspool.

In fact, at some of the McCain/Palin events, it was like being at a KKK rally. Guns, beer

and idiots is a scary combination.

What does it say about a region that still has antiquated concepts such as "dry counties"

and "blue laws"?

You see, the problem with the South is that they've never gotten over losing the Civil

War. In fact, from almost the beginning, the South has been a drag on the rest of the

USA. First was the whole slavery issue. Then, after the Civil War was lost, there was

the shame of Jim Crow, and the officially sanctioned violence against the Civil Rights

movement, and well, you just pick any time in this nation's history, while the majority

of the country was progressing, the South was doing all it could to keep its head in the

sand and stick to its hateful, bigoted ways.

Consider this, people in the Northern and Western states have never had any problems

voting for a politician from the South. Yet, all you ever hear when a politician from the

North runs for President is "will people in the South vote for him?".

And while you are driving thru the south, listening to the radio you will hear the scariest

crap coming from these asshole evangelical preachers...stuff that makes the Rev. Wright

look like a docile lamb of god. One can only imagine the grotesqueries one would hear

inside one of their horrid big-box churches that mar the landscape of the South.

That whole myth of the golden days of the "Plantation era" and the Southern belle is

a crock, too. Never seen more skanks in my life than in the South. Delusional women

whose ideal of masculinity is this cartoonish macho man with a cowboy hat and guns.

Small wonder then, that most of them end up in abusive relationships with these bozos.

Most knowledgable women in the south will tell you that, like a man trying to compensate

for his lack of virility by buying a sports car, the more guns a guy has, the smaller his

dick.

Oh, and let's not forget that the divorce rate is higher in red states than in blue states;

way to uphold the sanctity of marriage.

And as for the confederate flag being about heritage...give me a break; so a German

flying the Nazi flag is just honoring his heritage?

Just this morning, I was reading an article about how these ignoramuses in the South

are boo-hoo-hooing Obama's victory and saying they "fear for their way of life" and

that Al Qaeda has won...are they kidding with this crap? A large percentage of the

South still think Obama is a Muslim terrorist and he's gonna take away their guns

and send them to re-education camps and force them to have abortions.

But what do you expect when the only news source they get their information from is

Fox news, aka Faux News...everytime you go into a bar or hotel in the South, the tv's

are turned to Fox.

Nah, I am sick of the South and their out-of-proportion hold on the electoral map...it's

time for them to get with the program and join the 21st century; hell, I'd even settle for

them joining the 20th century.

Until then, the South can lick my balls.

I dont know You but I will say this with that attitude I am suprised You made it back Home at all.I have spent quite a bit of time all around this Country and People are People they are all the same with a few subtle differences but however if I had the attitude You display in Your comments I dont believe I would be welcome back ever. So do us Southern Boys a big favor and stay out of the South cause a Southern Man dont need You around anyhow.As for lickin Your Balls You likley dont have any now I have had My say I have to go back to work and put some more cash in my 401k so Obama can redistribute it to a few non workin lazy individuals around the country.have a nice Day

[DRUNK08]

Man, the world is in for a rude awakening.

I've been reading quotes from around the world, and people think Obama is Jesus.

Has anyone read these? You are probably so caught up in this yourselves that you don't realize the madness.

Unfortunately, this election has been like a season of American Idol.

The world and the US is going to be very similar to what it is now. Nothing is going to change drastically. People will be disappointed.

I like Obama, but I beg for people to be realistic.

The US government has an agenda that goes way beyond the president, and if you expect major "change", then you are setting yourself up.

[Lake of Shadows]

Aww DRUNK, let folks have their moment of celebration... it's been a long time coming.

Go read the 'thread for President Twat Bush' that Rock Action started, maybe that'll be more to your liking.

[DRUNK08]

Well LOS, from that post I gather that you are sort of aware of what I said in my earlier post.

That's a good start.

If you disagree, then let me know.

They can celebrate all they want. This feeling is going to wear off pretty quickly.

[kirchzep27]

If obama can carry the tone of his campaign over into governing, it could make a significant difference. I'm just curious to see someone with a different tact than bush and lets see what happens.

I am so glad that the voting went along without any problems. after the last two elections, thats a big deal.

[euro]

I am not against Obama but however if He screws it up and sinks us let it be known that AL did not vote for Him if He does well I will vote for Him next time.

I not sure you can screw up anymore than the Bush Administration.

I just hope Obama does not start a trade war with the rest of the world,the last thing this sorry global economy needs.

Edited November 6, 2008 by euro

[Mernie]

Nevermind, it's not worth it.

Go fetch, Strider.

Edited November 6, 2008 by Mernie

[Patrycja]

God help us if she runs in 2012:

Knives come out for Sarah Palin; McCain aides tell tales of an ill-informed diva

Huffington Post: Fox video allegations; Palin video refuting allegations

Edited November 6, 2008 by Patrycja

[SunChild]

There were a lot of counties in CA that didn't support Obama either, so you can get off your high horse.

Sorry sweetheart I have to disagree 'Freedom of Expression" Remember?

It's unfortunate that the KKK and SkinHeads like to carry it around.

I find that a discrace!

But for me it's "Heritage" not "Hatread"

Ya'll come back now ya hear!

Yep, and the same types of folk live in those counties too... the ones with Confederate flags on their houses, t-shirts, and trucks.

Care to address the point, which is, why I shouldn't notice their 1850s mentality, when they're proud of it themselves?

Edited November 6, 2008 by SunChild

[bigstickbonzo]

God help us if she runs in 2012:

She will. But hey, she's got four years to read about the US Constitution and all the important things you need to know if you want to run for President. I hear Night School in Alaska is fairly cheap, but it lasts 6 months.

Edited November 6, 2008 by bigstickbonzo

[SunChild]

Don't need your smart ass here anyhow son.

"Southern Man Don't Need Him Around Anyhow"

Thus proving the point that there are people in the South who honestly believe they are seperate from the rest of the United States...

[LARD]

I don't know why, but I've got a pretty good feeling that McCain is going to win it.

[Electrophile]

I don't know why, but I've got a pretty good feeling that McCain is going to win it.

Make sure you vote tomorrow, or else the ZOMGSEKRETMOOSLIM might win in a landslide.

[THE FIRST LEDZEP]

Be careful on what you wish

You just might get it

[Dzldoc]

Thus proving the point that there are people in the South who honestly believe they are seperate from the rest of the United States...

Sorry sweetheart but this validates "MY" point!

You see it was not I who made the distinction,

it was Mr. strider here that separated us.

I was merely taking my unprovoked separation status

and defending it.

But I see you have no problem with his statement.

Attack the defender and give the attacker a pass.

But then that's typical in the United States these days isn't it? mkay?

[wanna be drummer]

I don't know why, but I've got a pretty good feeling that McCain is going to win it.

Intelligent

You're only 2 days late

[shnflacwav]

Yep, and the same types of folk live in those counties too... the ones with Confederate flags on their houses, t-shirts, and trucks.

Care to address the point, which is, why I shouldn't notice their 1850s mentality, when they're proud of it themselves?

Perhaps there are confederate flags out there in the mule capital of the world - that shithole you live in; but I have yet to see one here in south Orange County.

P.S. You're just mad McCain won in your County.

Edited November 7, 2008 by shnflacwav

[shnflacwav]

God help us if she runs in 2012:

Knives come out for Sarah Palin; McCain aides tell tales of an ill-informed diva

Huffington Post: Fox video allegations; Palin video refuting allegations

She can run all she wants, I doubt she would get the nomination.

[Electrophile]

McCain didn't win my county. Or my state. I haven't lived in a Democratic county and state since I left Illinois. Huzzah!

[Lake of Shadows]

Yep, and the same types of folk live in those counties too... the ones with Confederate flags on their houses, t-shirts, and trucks.

Care to address the point, which is, why I shouldn't notice their 1850s mentality, when they're proud of it themselves?

I don't disagree with the point you now want addressed. What I do take issue with was the blanket labeling of states and a region of the United States that you did. I must admit that at least you didn't claim we're a cesspool like Strider did.

FWIW, the 'Confederate flag' isn't flown by my state. Our state government flies the US flag and the Alabama state flag underneath it. My state went for McCain... thoroughly, but I voted anyway, and my candidate won.

FWIW, a lot of folks in my neck of the woods voted for McCain because there's a fairly sizeable defense industry here... and many/most of them voted for McCain for idealogical reasons and/or economic ones, namely job security.

I disagree a lot with a lot of the people, attitudes, behavior, etc. etc. etc. of folks in this region... but there are also some wonderful things about it and some wonderful people.

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okay, I'm done... I'll jes' grab a glass o' swate tay and mosey on back to my (according to Strider) cesspool.

[Strider]

Well, this post is more tolerable and tolerant than the previous one.

That's a pretty broad brush you're using.

Sorry, I didn't have my Kolinsky Sable Pointed Round Size 0 handy.

As for your opinion of the south, you forgot a wisecrack about incest, but other than that, I think you got most of the cheap shot stereotype stuff in there.

Damn, I knew I had forgotten something.

LoS, I did say not ALL of the South was that way...and I admire and applaud those

who have stuck it out all these years trying to effect change from within, when it

would have been so easy to just move away to somewhere else.

And granted, having my most recent exposure to the South be a week on the

McCain/Palin campaign trail might not have been conducive to seeing the best

of the South, but hey, that's the internet...sometimes emotions get the better

of you.

No hard feelings, eh?

On a more positive note, several things that I LOVE about the South are

whiskey/bourbon; barbeque; Spanish moss; SEC football; and the musical

heritage.

Oh, and THANK YOU Virginia and Florida for bucking the recent trend; especially

Virginia, which is all the more symbolic when you consider its history:

excerpt from a Tim Rutten editorial in the L.A. Times:

"According to the census of 1860, nearly a third of all Virginia residents were slaves. Richmond, the state's capital, would become capital of the Confederacy, and the Army of Northern Virginia under Robert E. Lee would become the rebellion's military bulwark. Tuesday, northern Virginia swung the state to Obama.

America's tormented history of race relations began in Virginia in 1610, when a Dutch privateer in need of refitting bartered 20 African slaves captured from a Spanish ship for food and rigging. Virginia was the first colony to formally enact laws consigning indentured blacks to lifelong slavery based on race.

Tuesday, a coalition of those slaves' descendants, young people of all races, Latinos and educated white voters swept all that stems from that tragic history into the realm of painful memory, when they carried Virginia into Obama's column."

[Electrophile]

Don't forget North Carolina. It went for Obama as well.

[Lake of Shadows]

Damn, I knew I had forgotten something.

Glad I could help.

LoS, I did say not ALL of the South was that way...and I admire and applaud those

who have stuck it out all these years trying to effect change from within, when it

would have been so easy to just move away to somewhere else.

okay, I'm thawing...

And granted, having my most recent exposure to the South be a week on the

McCain/Palin campaign trail might not have been conducive to seeing the best

of the South, but hey, that's the internet...sometimes emotions get the better

of you.

Yikes... that explains a lot. It's a wonder you can write a sentence.

No hard feelings, eh?

Nah... 'tis okay.

On a more positive note, several things that I LOVE about the South are

whiskey/bourbon; barbeque; Spanish moss; SEC football; and the musical

heritage.

Yep, we do love our football.

I don't see many 'confederate flags' around here, but I sure do see a lot of football flags.

[Strider]

Yes it did...hooray for North Carolina.

Don't know how most of you spent election night, but I was with a bunch of friends

at an election night party. We all brought food and champagne in hopes of an Obama

victory.

But the buzz of Obama's win was dampened with the disappointment at Prop. 8's

passing here in California...that was the gay marriage ban.

We were puzzled, how could voters be progressive enough to vote yes on 2(animal

rights) and no on 4(parental notification of abortion) pass a gay marriage ban?

Especially considering that Prop 8 was losing in the polls most of the year. That is,

until a flood of Texas and Mormon money came flooding in the last week or so.

And seeing how gay marriage bans passed with ease in Arizona and elsewhere,

it may be a while before the issue is tackled again.

I definitely don't think Obama should address it...not while the economy and the

Iraq war need his attention.

That was one of Clinton's first mistakes, that whole gays in the military thing, and

was the impetus for the Republican takeover of Congress in 1994.

Get the economy and the war situation right, then you can worry about social issues.

But when people are worried about their paycheck and their homes, the last thing

they want to deal with is a culture war.

That's why the usual Republican slurs that previously worked in past campaigns

in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania and North Carolina didn't work this time;

all the distractions the GOP tried to bamboozle the heartland with, Rev. Wright,

Bill Ayers, Joe the Plumber, etc. never stuck, never gained traction with voters.

Just as in 1992, it was the economy, stupid.

So, I know it sounds harsh, but I'm afraid gays are just going to have to put the gay

marriage issue on the back burner.

Obama's first priority is the economy and the "war(s) on terror".