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Who will win the Presidency in 2008?  

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  1. 1. Who Wins in 2008?

    • Hillary Clinton
      47
    • Rudy Giuliani
      9
    • John Edwards
      7
    • Mike Huckabee
      7
    • John McCain
      42
    • Barack Obama
      136
    • Ron Paul
      21
    • Mitt Romney
      9
    • Bill Richardson
      1
    • Fred Thompson
      3


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Well I believe it's a no win situation. No matter which candidate gets elected, they won't do a damn thing for the working people in this country. Accept maybe bring down our wages because they refuse to secure the borders.

Kinda like a "No Pee-ing Section" in a swimming pool. :rant:

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I'd agree IDunn but I think we all know, 90% of the voters out there won't do shit and will vote for the party, rather than the person, unfortunately

I hope there will be a trend among voters to move toward declaring themselves Independents. Sadly, many states continue to make that difficult by insisting that you must be declared either a Republican or Democrat to vote in the primaries. I find that ridiculous. In my particular case, I was forced to declare myself either a democrat (who's views I am most in line with, but certainly not ALL) or an Independent (which reflects the way I actually vote). I chose to stand on principal and honesty, and register as an Independent. The price I pay for that honesty, is that I can not support the candidate of my choosing in the primaries...which means I must take what I can get, rather than have any REAL say in the candidates I'm given. I find that to be a direct slap in the face to the principals this country was founded upon. But...it is what it is, and we work with what we are given, you know?

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Just returned from a Mitt Romney rally on Campus. Got to shake his hand, and he seems like a pretty normal guy....for a Republican. He kept his comments short and sweet.....about 10-12 minutes. Gotta love checking out the ladies at a political rally. Lookers eveywhere ! B)

That's awesome man. I presume you live somewhere in Michigan. I sure hope that Romney wins there. He's a good man and could use a win at this point. The interesting thing about this is that Romney is actually ahead of McCain and Huck in the delegate count right now.

Here is the obituary on Mitt Romney's dad, George, who was governor of Michigan in the 60's. As you read this, you can see he was truely a visionary ahead of his time in many ways. He spoke out against Vietnam well before other politicians did. He also was the only auto CEO who recognized that fuel-efficiency was becoming more and more important.

George W. Romney Dies at Age 88;

Michigan Governor, HUD Secretary

By Bart Barnes

Washington Post Staff Writer

George W. Romney, 88, a former secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, governor of Michigan, chairman of American Motors Corp. and a contender for the 1968 Republican presidential nomination, died July 26 at his home in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. He collapsed after suffering a heart attack while exercising on a treadmill.

Mr. Romney was among the luminaries of the national Republican Party after his 1966 election to a third consecutive term as governor of Michigan with a 570,000-vote plurality. But he abandoned his bid for the party's presidential nomination two weeks before the 1968 New Hampshire primary. That was after a three-month campaign that was dogged by his nationally televised comment attributing his initial support for the Vietnam War to his being "brainwashed" by the U.S. military during a tour of the Southeast Asian country. He would later call U.S. participation in the war "the most tragic foreign policy mistake in the nation's history."

In a 1989 interview with the Associated Press, Mr. Romney insisted his comments about having been brainwashed had nothing to do with his withdrawal from the presidential race. "It was because Nelson Rockefeller became a candidate, and there was no way I could get the nomination fighting both Rockefeller and Richard Nixon," he said.

From 1969 until 1973, Mr. Romney served as HUD secretary. But he left Nixon's Cabinet less than enthusiastic about his federal service, declaring that he looked forward "with great enthusiasm" to his return to private life. Administration support for urban programs had been less than what he had hoped for, he said.

In 1974, he became the founding chairman of the Arlington-based National Volunteer Center, an organization that promotes volunteerism. In 1991, the center merged with the Points of Light Foundation, which was supported by President George Bush.

A lifelong member and former bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mr. Romney spent two years as a Mormon missionary in England and Scotland during the 1920s. Friends said there was an evangelical strain about many of his undertakings later in life as well.

As chairman and president of American Motors from 1954 until 1962, Mr. Romney played a key role in bringing the compact economy car to the U.S. public. He oversaw marketing for the Rambler, which he promoted with a missionary enthusiasm. Lambasting the large chromium-laden cars produced by Ford, Chrysler and General Motors then, he declared: "Who wants to have a gas-guzzling dinosaur in his garage? . . . Think of the gas bills!"

Trapped once in a St. Louis traffic jam, he lectured a taxi driver that the mess never would have happened if everyone drove smaller cars. "Next time, try a Rambler," he advised as he left the cab.

He resigned from American Motors to run for governor of Michigan and defeated incumbent John B. Swainson un 1962, breaking a 14year Democratic hold on the state's governorship. During his six years as governor, a new Michigan Constitution took effect, civil rights and tax reform measures were undertaken and the state economy improved.

As a politician, Mr. Romney had many of the standard attributes: a quick smile, ready handshake and a smooth delivery of speeches. But he also was blunt, unequivocal and often impatient, and he sometimes stepped on toes.

As governor, he had office hours on Thursday mornings when Michigan residents could stop by and talk with him for five minutes each. He made a point of shaking hands with schoolchildren who toured the state capitol.

In his personal life, he neither smoke nor drank alcohol, and he tithed regularly, giving 10 percent of his income to the Mormon Church. A physical fitness buff all his life, he exercised regularly, often playing golf early in the morning before work. In his later years, he devised what he called a "compact 18" holes, in which he played three balls on each of six holes.

Mr. Romney was born in a Mormon community in Chihuahua, Mexico, and he grew up in Idaho and Utah. He attended Latter-day Saints Junior College in Salt Lake City, the University of Utah and George Washington University. While at GWU, he worked in the office of Sen. David I. Walsh (D-Mass.).

During the 1930s, he worked for Aluminum Co. of America as a salesman in Los Angeles and later as Alcoa's representative in Washington. During that time, he served two years as president of the Washington Trade Association Executives. Later, he was manager of the Detroit office of the Automobile Manufacturers Asssociation. During World War Il, he was managing director of the Automotive Council for War Production and general manager of the Automobile Manufacturers Assiation.

He joined Nash-Kelvinator Corp. as assistant to the president in 1948, becoming executive vice president in 1953. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator and Hudson Motor Car Co. merged to form American Motors; Mr. Romney became its president and chairmam During the next four years at the company's helm, he took the business from a money-losing operation into prosperity. In the process, he became a wealthy man himself.

In that period, Mr. Romney also was chairman of a citizens committee that studied the needs of Detroit's public schools. He led a citizens effort to call a state constitutional convention and subsequently served as a delegate to the convention. In 1931, Mr. Romney married Lenore LaFount, his high school sweetheart.

In addition to his wife, he is survived by two daughters, Lynn Keenan and Jane Romney; two sons, G. Scott Romney and Mitt Romney, a Massachusetts businessman who waged a tough but unsuccessful campaign to unseat Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) last fall; 23 grandchildren; and 33 great-grandchildren.

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That's awesome man. I presume you live somewhere in Michigan. I sure hope that Romney wins there. He's a good man and could use a win at this point. The interesting thing about this is that Romney is actually ahead of McCain and Huck in the delegate count right now.

:thumbsup:

Let's have some fun in Michigan

In 1972, Republican voters in Michigan decided to make a little mischief, crossing over to vote in the open Democratic primary and voting for segregationist Democrat George Wallace, seriously embarrassing the state's Democrats. In fact, a third of the voters in the Democratic primary were Republican crossover votes. In 1988, Republican voters again crossed over, helping Jesse Jackson win the Democratic primary, helping rack up big margins for Jackson in Republican precincts. (Michigan Republicans can clearly be counted on to practice the worst of racial politics.) In 1998, Republicans helped Jack Kevorkian's lawyer -- quack Geoffrey Feiger -- win his Democratic primary, thus guaranteeing their hold on the governor's mansion that year.

With a history of meddling in our primaries, why don't we try and return the favor. Next Tuesday, January 15th, Michigan will hold its primary. Michigan Democrats should vote for Mitt Romney, because if Mitt wins, Democrats win. How so?

For Michigan Democrats, the Democratic primary is meaningless since the DNC stripped the state of all its delegates (at least temporarily) for violating party rules. Hillary Clinton is alone on the ballot.

But on the GOP side, this primary will be fiercely contested. John McCain is currently enjoying the afterglow of media love since his New Hamsphire victory, while Iowa winner Mike Huckabee is poised to do well in South Carolina.

Meanwhile, poor Mitt Romney, who’s suffered back-to-back losses in the last week, desperately needs to win Michigan in order to keep his campaign afloat. Bottom line, if Romney loses Michigan, he's out. If he wins, he stays in.

And we want Romney in, because the more Republican candidates we have fighting it out, trashing each other with negative ads and spending tons of money, the better it is for us. We want Mitt to stay in the race, and to do that, we need him to win in Michigan.

Michigan is Romney’s last stand. He has pulled all advertising from other states for a last-ditch effort there. It’s sink or swim time for Romney, and we’re going to throw him a lifesaver.

*Source: The Daily Kos*

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Hermit's running !! :thumbsup: behind his main blocker ! :whistling:

I'd certainly line up across the line of scrimmage from her ! It'd be alot of fun on a muddy field. :D

And that's what this race is all about...no clear-cut front runner. But with Mandy leading the way, who's behind her would surely score !!! B)

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Hillary's already tried 'health care politics' and it was one of the biggest laughing stocks of the Clinton Administration.

Aint it ironic that the direction Hillary was trying to steer our nation's health care system toward way back then is the direction most of the country now wants to see the health care system go? Hillary's 'health care politics' was simply a bit too far ahead of the curve, that's all. B)

The fact of the matter is that the people who most vehemently oppose universal health care are those who stand to profit the most from the current system: insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and politicians-turned-lobbyists whose pockets are padded by insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. It always amazes me how many short-sighted members of the republican party populace there are who,.. on account of their having been thoroughly bamboozled by republicon party talking point phrases such as "socialized medicine",.. are still willing to vote in favor of the financial interests of big corporations and against their own health care interests. :rolleyes::wacko:

Universal health care is coming to America.

..ya might as well get used to the idea. ;)

:hippy:

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Aint it ironic that the direction Hillary was trying to steer our nation's health care system toward way back then is the direction most of the country now wants to see the health care system go? Hillary's 'health care politics' was simply a bit too far ahead of the curve, that's all. B)

The fact of the matter is that the people who most vehemently oppose universal health care are those who stand to profit the most from the current system: insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and politicians-turned-lobbyists whose pockets are padded by insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. It always amazes me how many short-sighted members of the republican party populace there are who,.. on account of their having been thoroughly bamboozled by republicon party talking point phrases such as "socialized medicine",.. are still willing to vote in favor of the financial interests of big corporations and against their own health care interests. :rolleyes::wacko:

Universal health care is coming to America.

..ya might as well get used to the idea. ;)

:hippy:

Are saying that a "profit motive" in a business model is immoral? I personally think that the reason that our healthcare is better than it is in most of the socialist countires is because of that motive. Take away the incentive to make a profit and then why whould pharmaceutical companies want to bother to invest millions in research? Take away the profit motive and why would hospitals want to attract the best surgeons and the most modern equiptment?

No, I don't believe that it is the government's role to stand in the way of business in the way that it would by a socialized medicine scheme like the one offered by Hillary Clinton. There are too many entitlement programs in this country already. I'm not saying that healthcare does not need some fixes. But probably the easiest fix would be to deal with the millions of illeagal aliens who are bringing our healthcare down. Just last week I read an article that said Los Angeles County's cost for to care for illeagal aliens was over a billion dollars a year.

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Are saying that a "profit motive" in a business model is immoral?

It depends on the circumstances, doesn't it? A "profit motive" business model in which profit is derived as a result of slave labor, child labor, poor working conditions for employees, etc, etc.. would clearly be immoral, wouldn't it?

Sometimes less easy to see (especially for those like you who are unwilling to look at it) is the immorality of profit reaped by large, powerful corporations at the expense of middle class and lower class citizens. I think we might readily agree though that when a CEO gets few hundred million dollar severance package and weeks later the company files for bankruptcy and thousands of career employees lose their pensions.. that's immoral, doncha think? And when big businesses buy political influence (as the pharmaceutical, insurance, and oil companies have) such that consumers have limited options and the companies can therefore charge unreasonably high prices (for medications, for example), then yes I think that outcome from the "profit motive" business model is immoral.

I personally think that the reason that our healthcare is better than it is in most of the socialist countires is because of that motive. Take away the incentive to make a profit and then why whould pharmaceutical companies want to bother to invest millions in research? Take away the profit motive and why would hospitals want to attract the best surgeons and the most modern equiptment?

I'm not talking about socialism, and I'm not talking about taking away a motive for profit (or a motive for innovation). Your 'going to the opposite extreme' argument is a red herring, Del. I'm not talking about abolishing capitalism and I'm not advocating socialism. I'm advocating the protection of consumers from big businesses colluding with government and rigging the system so that corporations (and politicians-turned-lobbyists) get ever-richer...obscenely rich.. at the expense of middle and lower class citizens (consumers as well as would-be consumers who get priced out of access to goods and services).

No, I don't believe that it is the government's role to stand in the way of business in the way that it would by a socialized medicine scheme like the one offered by Hillary Clinton. There are too many entitlement programs in this country already. I'm not saying that healthcare does not need some fixes. But probably the easiest fix would be to deal with the millions of illeagal aliens who are bringing our healthcare down. Just last week I read an article that said Los Angeles County's cost for to care for illeagal aliens was over a billion dollars a year.

Yeah, Del,.. the problem is the illegal aliens

and Hillary is proposing "socialized" medicine.

:rolleyes:

I'm not gonna get into that dead-end discussion with you (yet again), but I will say this though: I'm for capitalism, but I'm not for 'unfettered' capitalism. Its a simple truth that big business requires regulation as a means of protecting consumers, and right now in or current healthcare system insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies are out of control and politicians with an eye of becoming politicians-turned-lobbyists are helping them.. at the expense of.. to the detriment of.. the consuming (and would-be consuming if they could afford it) public. What's happening in the healthcare system right now is shameful and.. yes.. immoral.

..imho.

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the more Republican candidates we have fighting it out, trashing each other with negative ads and spending tons of money, the better it is for us.

speaking of mud slinging and negative campaigning..

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/14/clinton.obama/

Drugs, race raised in Clinton-Obama fight

COLUMBIA, South Carolina (CNN) -- Black Entertainment Television founder Bob Johnson has waded into the Democratic presidential race on behalf of Sen. Hillary Clinton, leveling what appeared to be a criticism of Sen. Barack Obama's admitted past drug use.

Johnson, a prominent Clinton supporter, made the remarks during an appearance Sunday at a church in South Carolina, the scene of a January 26 primary with a large share of African-American voters.

Clinton also accused Obama's presidential campaign of distorting remarks she and her husband have made recently, which touched off concerns among some African-American voters.

Johnson said he has held previous fund-raisers for Obama but was unhappy with criticisms of the former first lady-turned-New York senator by Obama's campaign.

"As an African American, I'm frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Bill and Hillary Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood that I won't say what he was doing, but he said it in his book," Johnson said while campaigning at Columbia's largely black Northminster Presbyterian Church.

In Obama's recently reprinted 1995 book, "Dreams of My Father" the future presidential candidate writes he was once headed in the direction of a "junkie" and a "pothead."

In December, Clinton personally apologized to Obama after her New Hampshire campaign co-chairman raised the issue, and the adviser resigned amid the controversy that followed.

In a statement issued Sunday afternoon, Johnson said his remarks referred "to Barack Obama's time spent as a community organizer, and nothing else. Any other suggestion is simply irresponsible and incorrect."

The Clinton and Obama camps are locked in an increasingly heated battle for black voters in South Carolina, whose primary choices include the African-American senator and the wife of a man once nicknamed "the first black president." Watch what race has to do with the Democratic nomination »

Former South Carolina state Rep. "I.S." Leevy Johnson, an Obama supporter, called on Clinton to disavow Johnson's remarks.

"It's offensive that Sen. Clinton literally stood by and said nothing as another one of her campaign's top supporters launched a personal, divisive attack on Barack Obama," he said in a statement released by Obama's campaign. "For someone who decries the politics of personal destruction, she should've immediately denounced these attacks on the spot."

Sunday's flare-up capped a weekend of sparring between the two camps that began with Clinton's comments last week that while Martin Luther King Jr. led the civil rights movement, "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It took a president to get it done." Watch what Clinton says about Obama, King and the civil rights movement »

Some African-American leaders criticized the remarks as dismissive of the civil rights movement and of King, who was assassinated in 1968. On Sunday, Obama described Clinton's comments as "ill-advised" but rejected any suggestion that his campaign has been behind the complaints.

"For them to somehow suggest that we're interjecting race as a consequence of a statement she made, that we haven't commented on, is pretty hard to figure out," he told reporters on Sunday.

And the third leading Democrat, former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, said Clinton was suggesting "that real change ... came not through the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, but through a Washington politician." Edwards won the South Carolina primary in 2004.

Speaking on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday, Clinton said Obama's backers were distorting her remarks and called King "one of the people I admire most in the world."

"He understood that he had to move the political process and bring in those who were in political power," she said. "And he campaigned for political leaders, including Lyndon Johnson, because he wanted somebody in the White House who would act on what he had devoted his life to achieving."

And Sunday, at the Presbyterian church, Clinton said it was "historic" that both a black man and a woman were considered serious contenders for the White House.

"I am so proud of my party. I am so proud of my country, and I am so proud of Sen. Barack Obama because together we have presented our cases to the people," she said.

Edwards, meanwhile, used an appearance at a black church in Sumter, east of Columbia to remind voters that he is a native of the state. Edwards said his experience growing up in the then-segregated South allowed him to understand "in a personal way the struggles that African-Americans have gone through."

"No one has been more aggressive and more outspoken on issues that affect the African-American community," said Edwards, a veteran trial lawyer and the Democrats' vice presidential nominee in 2004.

Obama also accused her of "rewriting" history in her complaints about his voting record on Iraq.

Former President Bill Clinton last week criticized Obama's statements over the years about Iraq, and argued that Obama has not been consistent.

Obama has said his positions are consistent, and that he has always staunchly opposed the war. And he told reporters Sunday, "She started her campaign saying she wanted to make history and has been spending a lot of time rewriting it." E-mail to a friend

CNN's Josh Levs contributed to this report.

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At this point my sense is that the democratic ticket in 2008 will be..

Edwards-Biden :cheer:

Your boy Edwards sure not getting any help from his old running mate Kerry. Another stab in the back by ol' Lurch? I'm sure both Clinton and Edwards take it that way.

Kerry endorses Obama; it's seen as slap to Edwards

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/na...0,2112205.story

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:huh: Wait a minute, checking out the ladies? your profile says your a female? or do you just swing that way? No offense intended, just curious. :blush:

If you don't know the difference between Bong-Man and Bong-Girl, I can't help you. You've also looked at my profile once more than I have.

That's awesome man. I presume you live somewhere in Michigan. I sure hope that Romney wins there. He's a good man and could use a win at this point. The interesting thing about this is that Romney is actually ahead of McCain and Huck in the delegate count right now.

Here is the obituary on Mitt Romney's dad, George, who was governor of Michigan in the 60's. As you read this, you can see he was truely a visionary ahead of his time in many ways. He spoke out against Vietnam well before other politicians did. He also was the only auto CEO who recognized that fuel-efficiency was becoming more and more important.

George W. Romney Dies at Age 88;

Michigan Governor, HUD Secretary

By Bart Barnes

Washington Post Staff Writer

George W. Romney, 88, a former secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, governor of Michigan, chairman of American Motors Corp. and a contender for the 1968 Republican presidential nomination, died July 26 at his home in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. He collapsed after suffering a heart attack while exercising on a treadmill.

Mr. Romney was among the luminaries of the national Republican Party after his 1966 election to a third consecutive term as governor of Michigan with a 570,000-vote plurality. But he abandoned his bid for the party's presidential nomination two weeks before the 1968 New Hampshire primary. That was after a three-month campaign that was dogged by his nationally televised comment attributing his initial support for the Vietnam War to his being "brainwashed" by the U.S. military during a tour of the Southeast Asian country. He would later call U.S. participation in the war "the most tragic foreign policy mistake in the nation's history."

In a 1989 interview with the Associated Press, Mr. Romney insisted his comments about having been brainwashed had nothing to do with his withdrawal from the presidential race. "It was because Nelson Rockefeller became a candidate, and there was no way I could get the nomination fighting both Rockefeller and Richard Nixon," he said.

From 1969 until 1973, Mr. Romney served as HUD secretary. But he left Nixon's Cabinet less than enthusiastic about his federal service, declaring that he looked forward "with great enthusiasm" to his return to private life. Administration support for urban programs had been less than what he had hoped for, he said.

In 1974, he became the founding chairman of the Arlington-based National Volunteer Center, an organization that promotes volunteerism. In 1991, the center merged with the Points of Light Foundation, which was supported by President George Bush.

A lifelong member and former bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mr. Romney spent two years as a Mormon missionary in England and Scotland during the 1920s. Friends said there was an evangelical strain about many of his undertakings later in life as well.

As chairman and president of American Motors from 1954 until 1962, Mr. Romney played a key role in bringing the compact economy car to the U.S. public. He oversaw marketing for the Rambler, which he promoted with a missionary enthusiasm. Lambasting the large chromium-laden cars produced by Ford, Chrysler and General Motors then, he declared: "Who wants to have a gas-guzzling dinosaur in his garage? . . . Think of the gas bills!"

Trapped once in a St. Louis traffic jam, he lectured a taxi driver that the mess never would have happened if everyone drove smaller cars. "Next time, try a Rambler," he advised as he left the cab.

He resigned from American Motors to run for governor of Michigan and defeated incumbent John B. Swainson un 1962, breaking a 14year Democratic hold on the state's governorship. During his six years as governor, a new Michigan Constitution took effect, civil rights and tax reform measures were undertaken and the state economy improved.

As a politician, Mr. Romney had many of the standard attributes: a quick smile, ready handshake and a smooth delivery of speeches. But he also was blunt, unequivocal and often impatient, and he sometimes stepped on toes.

As governor, he had office hours on Thursday mornings when Michigan residents could stop by and talk with him for five minutes each. He made a point of shaking hands with schoolchildren who toured the state capitol.

In his personal life, he neither smoke nor drank alcohol, and he tithed regularly, giving 10 percent of his income to the Mormon Church. A physical fitness buff all his life, he exercised regularly, often playing golf early in the morning before work. In his later years, he devised what he called a "compact 18" holes, in which he played three balls on each of six holes.

Mr. Romney was born in a Mormon community in Chihuahua, Mexico, and he grew up in Idaho and Utah. He attended Latter-day Saints Junior College in Salt Lake City, the University of Utah and George Washington University. While at GWU, he worked in the office of Sen. David I. Walsh (D-Mass.).

During the 1930s, he worked for Aluminum Co. of America as a salesman in Los Angeles and later as Alcoa's representative in Washington. During that time, he served two years as president of the Washington Trade Association Executives. Later, he was manager of the Detroit office of the Automobile Manufacturers Asssociation. During World War Il, he was managing director of the Automotive Council for War Production and general manager of the Automobile Manufacturers Assiation.

He joined Nash-Kelvinator Corp. as assistant to the president in 1948, becoming executive vice president in 1953. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator and Hudson Motor Car Co. merged to form American Motors; Mr. Romney became its president and chairmam During the next four years at the company's helm, he took the business from a money-losing operation into prosperity. In the process, he became a wealthy man himself.

In that period, Mr. Romney also was chairman of a citizens committee that studied the needs of Detroit's public schools. He led a citizens effort to call a state constitutional convention and subsequently served as a delegate to the convention. In 1931, Mr. Romney married Lenore LaFount, his high school sweetheart.

In addition to his wife, he is survived by two daughters, Lynn Keenan and Jane Romney; two sons, G. Scott Romney and Mitt Romney, a Massachusetts businessman who waged a tough but unsuccessful campaign to unseat Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) last fall; 23 grandchildren; and 33 great-grandchildren.

The rally was anemic. It was open to the public, and only 150 people showed up. He only spoke about 10 minutes, and most of that centered on returning Michigan to it's former manufacturing glory. Even hard-core Republicans around here are too smart to fall for that. As for his Father, modern Republicans wouldn't even let him in the back door today. Same with Milliken, who was a great moderate Republican Governor from our state.

The best part of the rally was the preliminay meeting with his advanced team. One of his junior coordinators stopped by and told us that Mitt was coming here to visit our "Center for Alternative Fuels." He then asked to see all of our alternative fuel vehicles. We showed him the only car we have, and he stared at us in disbelief for a couple seconds, and then exclaimed, "BUT IT"S A TOYOTA !! An emergency call goes out to The Gm Tech Center a couple miles away, and VOILA !! Three hybrids show up at our door.

Let's have some fun in Michigan

And as a registered Democrat, that is exactly what I'll be doing tomorrow.....voting Republican. :D Dumb-asses !!

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The best part of the rally was the preliminay meeting with his advanced team. One of his junior coordinators stopped by and told us that Mitt was coming here to visit our "Center for Alternative Fuels."

Our center is a barn. There's a huge pile of the post-use alternative fuel out back.

He then asked to see all of our alternative fuel vehicles. We showed him the only car we have, and he stared at us in disbelief for a couple seconds, and then exclaimed, "BUT IT"S A TOYOTA !!! An emergency call goes out to The Gm Tech Center a couple miles away, and VOILA !! Three hybrids show up at our door.

Well, politics is really just the art of taking a pile of shit, wrapping it in a pretty package, and then convincing folks they want it cuz it's so lovely.

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Well apparently McCain got booed in Michigan and that pisses me off. And yet they cheer Romney? Whatever.

I'm sure Michigan will go Democratic...again. After the shitjob Granholm and the Dems. in state office have done, how can the people of this state be so damn blind? We vote in a canadian over a tried and true businessman who could have possibly turned around the economy, and now we'll try and get Hillary over Romney or McCain, both of whom could help us out more than her.

But hey, at least we have the Red Wings :D

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Seems as if Hillary is enjoying herself as the 'slain given frontrunner' for the Dems.

3 weeks ago it was the women vote..

Now it's race.

The President of BET (he's a figurehead you know) says while the Clintons were behind African-Americans 100%, Obama was on the streets doing things he'd rather not mention.

Seems to me, not only does this make Obama look better (because he admitted everything, said he choose not to continue living his life that way and cleaned up), it hurts Clinton tremendously. Her campaign managers said from Day 1 they wouldn't bring up his drug past, but now its out because of someone who endorses her. Seems to me as if Hillary is desperately trying to bring Obama down to a level that she feels is enough for her to step on his head and jump for the stars to success. Unfortunately, her ego and her being branded "the frontrunner" out of the gate have continued to show her in the midst of another 'hissy fit' and continue to sling mud composed of race, drugs or whatever else she can think of because that's all she has.

And she knows it.

Editor's Note: Kinda hypocritical of the President of BET for putting down a black man for his apparent admittion of past drug use when his own programming has shows that glorify it within the black culture. But that's keeping it real...in the dark realm of politics.

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Well apparently McCain got booed in Michigan and that pisses me off. And yet they cheer Romney? Whatever.

I'm sure Michigan will go Democratic...again. After the shitjob Granholm and the Dems. in state office have done, how can the people of this state be so damn blind? We vote in a canadian over a tried and true businessman who could have possibly turned around the economy, and now we'll try and get Hillary over Romney or McCain, both of whom could help us out more than her.

But hey, at least we have the Red Wings :D

You don't need a "businessman" running things, wanna be. A "businessman" will most likely be mostly interested in the bottom line: profits. Its the bottom-line mentality that has led to Michigan being in the economic crisis its in (highest unemployment rate in the nation). Michigan's middle class has been abandoned; manufacturing jobs have been 'outsourced' overseas to countries where costs are lower. Sure, that policy is good for profits (as any businessman will tell you), but its a not good for middle class workers in Michigan and its not good for middle class workers throughout America. Simply put, its not good for America.

It truly amazes me that you live in Michigan and have seen up-close of the disastrous results that outsourcing has had on your state's economy, and yet you're still looking to the republican party.. the party of big-business interests.. for a solution. It simply doesn't make any sense. If you want a candidate who will look out for the interests of middle class Americans.. then John Edwards is the candidate you ought to be taking a closer look at.

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FYI.. Mitt Romney supports outsourcing; that should tell all you need to know about what he'd do to help restore Michigan's middle class: nothing. Whatever he would do would be in support of big business interests. As far as John McCain goes, he's not interested in rebuilding America's manufacturing middle class, rather he likes to talk about 're-training displaced workers'. He's missing the point that without a vibrant manufacturing middle class, Michigan's (and America's) economy will never be strong. Republican candidates like to insist the economy is strong. You know thats not the case in Michigan, and as far as the overall American economy goes, all one need do is look at the ever-declining value of the dollar. That says it all.

But yeah,.. at least you got the Red Wings. B):D

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