The Next President of the USA will be?

[allthekingshorses]

Barack Obama and Joe Biden want to raise your taxes and increase the size of government

This is a very typical thought about democrats in general.

What do you think John McCain is going to do to your state's taxes? I can answer that for you... nothing.

[wanna be drummer]

This is a very typical thought about democrats in general.

What do you think John McCain is going to do to your state's taxes? I can answer that for you... nothing.

I'd lower them.

A lot.

[Dzldoc]

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[Pb Derigable]

This is a very typical thought about democrats in general.

What do you think John McCain is going to do to your state's taxes? I can answer that for you... nothing.

Yes, you are right. John McCain does not have the power to do anything with state taxes. Federal Taxes are different.

[THE FIRST LEDZEP]

John McCain Wins

[allthekingshorses]

Yes, you are right. John McCain does not have the power to do anything with state taxes. Federal Taxes are different.

So, what do you think John McCain is going to do about taxes on a national level? He's going to lower them? Talk about being brainwashed or under the spell.

Maybe you would get your rebate check again. And if $600 is what you are after then I guess John McCain is your man. $600 isn't something I base a vote on. That $600 just goes to Bush's oil company friends because they raised the price of gas.

[Pb Derigable]

I'd lower them.

A lot.

I will impose a flat tax. I think you can generate the same amount of revenue if the flat tax is at 17%. I will enact the proposed bill that the federal Govt. budget, can not exceed 20% of GDP. Only in the time of war can it be risen.

I will make the top 25% pay for the lowest 25% tax. and the middle will pay 17%. I will assume if that is done, the top 25% will only have to pay a few percentage points more, no where close to the propose Obama 39% or the current 35%. It is completely a socialist plan, which im against, but its semi fair.

[Pb Derigable]

So, what do you think John McCain is going to do about taxes on a national level? He's going to lower them? Talk about being brainwashed or under the spell.

Maybe you would get your rebate check again. And if $600 is what you are after then I guess John McCain is your man. $600 isn't something I base a vote on. That $600 just goes to Bush's oil company friends because they raised the price of gas.

Isn't Obama proposing another stimulus package and with the Obama tax cuts, i will, according to hermit, get a $1000 check in the mail.

Still, Obama will raise the top 2 tax payers bracket tax and lower everyone else. Which in turn will allow foreign investors to come in and buy American companies. Which in turn lower the tax revenues for corporations, which will, along with the numerous special interest programs obama will propose, will cause us run out of money, therefore raising the middle tax bracket will be necessary, or they will raise the top two brackets to well over 44%.

Is it fair that I pay 44%, while you pay 10%.

Still, I will pay that 44% if I kn ow my country will be protected from people who intend to do harm, and Obama has yet to show me he is willing to fight for this country.

[allthekingshorses]

I will impose a flat tax. I think you can generate the same amount of revenue if the flat tax is at 17%. I will enact the proposed bill that the federal Govt. budget, can not exceed 20% of GDP. Only in the time of war can it be risen.

I will make the top 25% pay for the lowest 25% tax. and the middle will pay 17%. I will assume if that is done, the top 25% will only have to pay a few percentage points more, no where close to the propose Obama 39% or the current 35%. It is completely a socialist plan, which im against, but its semi fair.

I am for the flat tax.

And to add.... Barack will not raise taxes on 95% of working Americans. 5% of the wealthiest in America will see an increase like back in the days of Clinton.

[allthekingshorses]

44%? Come on, You are out of your mind. I'm telling you.... You are so way off base it isn't even funny.

I can't believe I'm having this discussion.

[wanna be drummer]

I am for the flat tax.

And to add.... Barack will not raise taxes on 95% of working Americans. 5% of the wealthiest in America will see an increase like back in the days of Clinton.

yeah...so he says

[Pb Derigable]

44%? Come on, You are out of your mind. I'm telling you.... You are so way off base it isn't even funny.

I can't believe I'm having this discussion.

Tell me, how did we ever get to 39% in the clinton years and you think 44% is way off base. If you add everything in after Obama tax plans, it will be close to 50% with all the taxes added.

[allthekingshorses]

Tell me, how did we ever get to 39% in the clinton years and you think 44% is way off base. If you add everything in after Obama tax plans, it will be close to 50% with all the taxes added.

Let's see your facts to back that up.

[allthekingshorses]

you can start here....

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Facts..._Plan_FINAL.pdf

"Ordinary Income: The top two income tax brackets would return to their 1990’s levels of 36% and

39.6%. All other tax brackets would remain as they are today. Obama would also restore the 1990’s

levels for the personal exemption and itemized deduction phaseouts (known as PEP and Pease).

Obama would work with the Treasury Department to adjust the thresholds of these rates slightly to

ensure that no married couple making less than $250,000 (or single making less than $200,000) was

affected by these changes."

Edited September 29, 2008 by allthekingshorses

[~tangerine~]

Barack Obama and Joe Biden want to raise your taxes and increase the size of government

This statement is hilarious "The First LedZep"...

under Mr. Bush, we the taxpayers will never get out from under the pile of...

Bush was left with a nice surplus, and now our country is in over our heads for Trillions, and you don't think the taxpayers are paying for the War, and the Economy collapse, etc, etc, etc....

at this point it doesn't matter if taxes are raised, the Republican regime will have us paying for the past eight years for the rest of our lives, no matter what our age.

http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/

A Little Perspective on $87 billion.

or "A billion here, a billion there... Pretty soon it starts to add up to some real money."

On September 7th, 2003, President Bush announced on national television that he was going to ask the Congress to grant him an additional $87 billion dollars for the fiscal year, beginning October 1, 2004, to continue the fight on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan. Since before then, to the end of September, 2007, the United States has dedicated approximately $315 billion dollars to the cause.

But these amounts of money are an impossible for anyone to visualize. Let's have a look....

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Current Cost of the War in Iraq ...

$558,600,791,944

courtesy of costofwar.com

One dollar ... it's roughly 6 inches long, and 2½ inches wide. It's roughly as thick as a regular piece of paper.

$1 will buy you a chance to win up to $3000 with a Connecticut scratch-off lottery ticket called the "Emerald Green Tripler."

source : Connecticut Lottery

Six dollars ... set side by side, roughly 12 inches long, and 7½" inches wide. Very roughly, a little longer, but narrower than a sheet of paper.

$6 will buy you about than 2 gallons of gas (at $3.00 a gallon), but you could only buy 1½ gallons of milk, which sells for $3.99 a gallon in Charlotte, NC.

source : Gasbuddy.com

source : Charlotte Observer

Three Thousand dollars ... roughly the thickness of a ream of paper, 2 inches thick or 500 sheets. If you made a single stack, it would be a foot high.

You could buy a 50" Widescreen, Flat Panel, HD-Ready Plasma TV for this amount of money.

source : Amazon

Seventy-Two Thousand dollars ... is about the size of a whole box of copier paper. This is roughly what it would cost you to buy a 2007 Jaguar XK8 2dr Convertible.

source : Edmunds

Three-Hundred-and-Sixty Thousand dollars ... A stack 5 feet tall. Shorter than the average American man. If you made a single stack, it would be 120 feet high.

You can buy a 3-bedroom, 2 bath, 1973-sq. foot condo in Las Vegas, Nevada for this amount of money.

source : Backpage 5/31/06

Nine Million dollars ... The pile is 5 feet tall, 10 feet long, and 6¼ feet wide. A single stack of dollar bills in this amount would be 3,000 feet high.

This horde is comparable in size to a single compact car. You could buy 489 of them for the amount, though, with enough cash left over to fill up the gas tanks of 162 of them.

But this amount of money is more than four times what you can expect to earn in your entire life, if you are an American with a college degree.

source : Yahoo Auto

source : Auto Consumerguide, based on a gas price of $3.00/gal.

source : Clovis.edu

Nine-Hundred Million dollars... The mound of cash is now 20 feet tall, 50 feet long, and 31¼ feet wide. The single stack of dollar bills is now climbing to 300,000 feet, or 56.8 miles.

It is about half as long as a conventional tennis court.

This is the dollar amount for the damage caused by a natural disaster, according to insurance claims filed by victims in four states that were affected by a category 3 hurricane, (Dennis) in July, 2005.

This amount of money is what an ideal elementary school class size (400 students) can expect to earn in their lifetimes, combined.

source : insurancejournal.com

source : Michigan Land Use Institute

source : Clovis.edu

Fifteen billion dollars ... This pile of money is 60 feet high, 150 feet long, and 62½ feet deep.

This is the amount of money that the US Army has paid to Halliburton (a company once led by Vice President Dick Cheney) since late 2001 in no-bid contracts to perform services such as delivering food and fuel and constructing housing for U.S. Troops around the world, and has been persistently dogged with allegations for fraud, poor quality, overpricing, and other abuses. (On July 13, 2006, the US Army announced that it would end its dealings with the company.)

source: The Toledo Blade

Eighty-Seven Billion dollars ... This is what the President asked for on September 7th, 2003. It is 100 feet tall, 250 feet long, and 125 feet wide. A stack of singles would be 28,998,000 feet, or over 5,492 miles, or a round-trip between Washington DC and Los Angeles, California. (2,650 miles, one-way).

A Boeing 737-200 jet is 100 feet long. You could fit 2 of those jets nose to nose along the length of this pile, and have room to spare.

If we spread the $87 billion over an American football field, we would not be able to see much of the game. The players would be buried in 55 feet of money.

$87 billion is more than all of the states' current budget deficits, combined. $87 billion is more than twice the amount we're spending on Homeland Security.

source : Distance between Major U.S. Cities in Miles

source : Aircraft & Powerplant Corner

source : TomPaine.com

One-Hundred-Sixty-Six Billion dollars ... this represents the total amount of money President Bush spent in Iraq & Afghanistan by the beginning of fiscal year 2004 : the $87 billion he asked for, plus the $79 billion he'd already spent.

You can barely see the man down in the corner.

This pile is 500 feet long at its longest point, which is quite a bit longer than an American football field. The roof opening of the Reliant Stadium in Houston, Texas, is 500 feet long. This pile of money is still 100 feet tall, and 125 feet wide. If you stacked the bills in a single column, it would be 55,333,200 feet tall, or almost 10,500 miles, or 1.68 times the distance between Washington DC and Baghdad, Iraq.

$166 billion is $568 for every man, woman and child in the United States. It's $3,269 for every person in Iraq and Afghanistan.

source : Houston Architecture Info

source : How Far is it?

source : U.S. Census Bureau PopClock

source : Iraqi Demographics

source : Demographics of Afghanistan

One-Hundred-Ninety-One Billion dollars ... April 17, 2004 : "The President wants Congress to grant him another $25 billion to continue the fight in Iraq and Afghanistan, but members of both parties in Congress indicated strong reservations about giving the Pentagon the free hand it is seeking to spend the money."

"Responding to tough questions from senators in both parties, (Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D.) Wolfowitz acknowledged that, with war costs running about $4.5 billion a month, far more money will be needed next year than is now on the table. 'There will be a request for a full year supplemental early next year. It will sure be much larger than $25 billion,' he said."

source : Washington Post

Two-Hundred-Seventy-Two Billion dollars ...

UPDATE : April 25, 2005

Senate OKs $81B In Spending for Iraq, Afghanistan

WASHINGTON | The Senate on Thursday overwhelmingly approved $81 billion for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in a spending bill that would push the total cost of combat and reconstruction past $300 billion.

Both the Senate and House versions of the measure would give President Bush much of the money he requested but the bills differ over what portion should go to military operations.

The Pentagon says it needs the money by the first week of May, so Senate and House negotiators are expected to act quickly to send the president a final version of the spending bill. (AP)

This pile is 250 feet long, and 125 feet wide. It's 320 feet high at the tallest point, which is as tall as St. Steven's Tower, the clock tower that houses Big Ben at Parliament, in London, England.

source : Chicago Tribune

Three-hundred-fifteen billion dollars ...

Update : July 21, 2006

This is the amount of money the US has allocated for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, to be spent by September 30, 2006, the end of the fiscal year. And the Senate is working on a spending bill that will add another $50 billion more in spending for 2007.

This pile is 125 feet wide, 200 feet deep, and 450 feet tall.

450 feet is the height of a 38-story building. It's the hieght of the Millenium Wheel in London. It is also the height of the Luxor Hotel in Las Vegas and the Louisiana State Capitol Building.

If you were to stack the money in a single stack, your stack would be 19,887 miles tall, enough to wrap the Moon at its equator almost 3 times.

Source: Cost of War

Source: Millenium Wheel, Wikipedia

Source: Luxor Hotel, Wikipedia

Source: Louisiana State Capitol, Wikipedia

Source: The Moon

"Our administration is concerned about deficits, and the way they deal with deficits is you want to control spending. And I hope Congress lives up to their words. When they talk about deficits, they can join us in making sure we don't overspend. They can join us and make sure that the appropriations process is focused on those issues that -- those items that are absolutely necessary to the American people. I'm pleased that members of the Congress are talking about deficits. It means they understand their obligations not to overspend the people's money."

President Bush,

Remarks by the President in Photo Opportunity with His Cabinet

Jan. 6, 2003

Frequently Asked Questions

and READERS RESPOND TO THE $87 BILLION PAGE

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[Electrophile]

Too many words makes their heads explode.

[Dzldoc]

This statement is hilarious "The First LedZep"...

under Mr. Bush, we the taxpayers will never get out from under the pile of...

Bush was left with a nice surplus, and now our country is in over our heads for Trillions, and you don't think the taxpayers are paying for the War, and the Economy collapse, etc, etc, etc....

at this point it doesn't matter if taxes are raised, the Republican regime will have us paying for the past eight years for the rest of our lives, no matter what our age.

"Gimme a Quota"

[I have got a horsey]

Tell me, how did we ever get to 39% in the clinton years and you think 44% is way off base. If you add everything in after Obama tax plans, it will be close to 50% with all the taxes added.

In Australia if you earn between $34,000 and $80,000, you pay 30% tax, if you earn between $75g and $150, you pay 40%, and if you earn over $180 you pay 45% tax...

It's not that bad...

And our economy is in better shape than yours...

[wanna be drummer]

And who's the superpower again?

[I have got a horsey]

And who's the superpower again?

Russia

[Medhb]

And who's the superpower again?

This is precisely why we are fucking up. We THINK we are a super power but our power is dwindling every day.

Ya know that 44% in Australia is a lot but Uni is free I believe - Horsey, please correct me if I'm wrong. What other things do you guys have that we don't? I'm not sure about medical coverage there...but I assume your infrastructure is maintained, I know that the quality of life is in the top percentile, ect.

I know I have a cousin who moved there years and years ago and loves it. She will never leave even though all of her family is here in the states.

[wanna be drummer]

Russia

Pfft they're having trouble with Georgia

China for sure

Edited October 1, 2008 by wanna be drummer

[I have got a horsey]

This is precisely why we are fucking up. We THINK we are a super power but our power is dwindling every day.

Ya know that 44% in Australia is a lot but Uni is free I believe - Horsey, please correct me if I'm wrong. What other things do you guys have that we don't? I'm not sure about medical coverage there...but I assume your infrastructure is maintained, I know that the quality of life is in the top percentile, ect.

I know I have a cousin who moved there years and years ago and loves it. She will never leave even though all of her family is here in the states.

Well technically speaking University isn't free. But you don't exactly have to pay for it either. We have a thing here that used to be called HECS, which stood for Higher Education Contribution Scheme, basically all your University fees would be charged to an account which you would then pay off over years through tax. You can pay the HECS debt as a lump payment and get 25% off your debt or you can re-pay it through tax, and like tax, it works on an income bracket system, so for example if you earn under $41,000 a year, you don't have to pay any HECS, and if you kept earning under the threashold, then you would never have to pay it back. Additionally if you moved overseas and worked there, you wouldn't pay it back either.

But if you stay working in Australia, then HECS will be added to your tax, so for example if you earn $1,000 a week, then 5% of your weekly tax will be HECS repayment, so that's $50 a week. If you earn over $1,480 a week, then 8% tax will go to HECS repayment, $118.40

But the thing with a HECS/HELP debt is that it is interest-free. Although it is adjusted for inflation, it does not accrue any interest. Most University degrees cost about $18,000 so it's much better and cheaper than, say, a bank or financial institution loan.

[Mr. Da-Lo]

John McCain

[longdistancewinner]

Well technically speaking University isn't free. But you don't exactly have to pay for it either. We have a thing here that used to be called HECS, which stood for Higher Education Contribution Scheme, basically all your University fees would be charged to an account which you would then pay off over years through tax. You can pay the HECS debt as a lump payment and get 25% off your debt or you can re-pay it through tax, and like tax, it works on an income bracket system, so for example if you earn under $41,000 a year, you don't have to pay any HECS, and if you kept earning under the threashold, then you would never have to pay it back. Additionally if you moved overseas and worked there, you wouldn't pay it back either.

It's kinda similar here, except once you earn over a £25,000 (or something like that) you have to pay your fees back. Once you start Uni you're given a loan of xx thousand pounds (depends on what degree you're doing), then when you leave you pay it back once you earn over the above wagebracket. Most students seem to cope well, though the majority piss their loans away on booze and other crap.

The only thing that would positively stop me from living in America is no NHS. I don't know how you can cope. Am I right in thinking that healthcare in America isn't free? Not even a visit to your GP? It's absurd that they seem to put a price on your health.