The Next President of the USA will be?

[Medhb]

Man, for a minute there I thought I was going to get interactive PAGE.

Darnnit.

Great page!

Ahahhaa! Sorry Sweetie! Now that is a great idea though.

[Medhb]

OMG

People got hurt in those bombings. I know of one who is paralyzed. and there is still a few more out there that no one claimed doing, but people got killed. All of which was typical WUG fashion bombing.

and It was LBJ who escalated the Vietnam war. In fact it was JFK who originally doubled the troops that lead to the escalation. (by the way, i don't think it was a coincidence that JFK and the South Vietnam president was Roman Catholic).

WTF

NON issue anyway! Has NOTHING to do with this campaign. Sheesh!

[Electrophile]

JFK doubled our troop presence in Vietnam? O RLY?

A few weeks later, on November 1, 1963, in a coup given tacit approval by the Kennedy administration, the South Vietnamese government was overthrown. President Diem, refusing an American offer of safety contingent upon his resignation, was assassinated. In the final weeks of his life, Kennedy wrestled with the need to decide the future of the United States’ commitment in Vietnam. Whether or not Kennedy would have increased military involvement in Vietnam or negotiated a withdrawal of military personnel still remains hotly debated among historians and officials who served in the administrations of President Kennedy and President Lyndon B. Johnson.

United States military aid to Vietnam increased during 1964. By 1965, President Johnson authorized combat troops into offensive military action and began the systematic bombing of North Vietnam. By 1968, U.S. forces surpassed 500,000, and through the 1968 presidential election, more Americans became aware of the difficult situation in Vietnam.

Seeing as Jack was dead in 1963, I'd like to know how he escalated our involvement in Southeast Asia.

Sounds like the high influx of American troops into Vietnam came at the hands of the Johnson administration. No one is debating that Kennedy sent troops there, hell Eisenhower sent troops there during his administration. However the role of those troops, the number of those troops and the purpose of our involvement radically changed and did so under LBJ, not Kennedy.

[Medhb]

Why is the Dow down 700+ points today?

OBAMA leads in the polls and promises...

Socialism, tax increases for small business and big business....

....while giving the money away to those who make the least impact on

our potential for a stronger economy. Spread the "wealth" to those that have nothing or very little to do with strengthening our economy.... oh boy...there's a great idea!

For those of you who want to live in a socialist country....move to France. Have fun living in eternal depression.

Can you say A.C.O.R.N. ???.... Obama gives money to these criminals!! They are proven to produce a large amount of tainted voter registrations.... Democratic!!

I swear, some people around here dont' bother to read or even listen. Joe the plumber will NOT be affected by Obama's plans but my very wll be negatively affected by McCains.

As someone else pointed out 'registered' voters is way different than voters. And...chances are there were dupe republicans registered to but since this is a McCain news story of course we wouldn't hear about that.

Oh and welcome to America where without the little people you have no CONSUMERS! If the consumers don't have any money, guess what?! Big business had no to sell their 'stuff' to. So....I think the consumers drive the economy.

[59LesPaul]

JFK doubled our troop presence in Vietnam? O RLY?

Seeing as Jack was dead in 1963, I'd like to know how he escalated our involvement in Southeast Asia.

Sounds like the high influx of American troops into Vietnam came at the hands of the Johnson administration. No one is debating that Kennedy sent troops there, hell Eisenhower sent troops there during his administration. However the role of those troops, the number of those troops and the purpose of our involvement radically changed and did so under LBJ, not Kennedy.

I don't have a source for this,or at least not one that I can quote (yet),but I recall reading somewhere that Kennedy wanted to pull troops/"advisors" out of Vietnam,and even went so far as to have the orders drawn up,to be signed by him.....

Upon his return from his trip to Dallas.

Again,I wish to reiterate,I do not have a source to back up that claim.However,I do have the book in which I recall reading that little tidbit,as as soon as I can,I'll see if I can find the passage in question,and type it out myself if I have to,complete with source.

If I'm mistaken,I'll be happy to say so in this very thread.

[Pb Derigable]

JFK doubled our troop presence in Vietnam? O RLY?

Seeing as Jack was dead in 1963, I'd like to know how he escalated our involvement in Southeast Asia.

Sounds like the high influx of American troops into Vietnam came at the hands of the Johnson administration. No one is debating that Kennedy sent troops there, hell Eisenhower sent troops there during his administration. However the role of those troops, the number of those troops and the purpose of our involvement radically changed and did so under LBJ, not Kennedy.

no prob.

You are right, he did not double the troops.

There was 800 boots on the ground when he got in

When he got shot, there was 16,000.

He did have a order for a withdrawl of 1,000 which LBJ was against and withdrew that order when he was POTUS.

So double would be 1,600. he brought in 16,000. What would that be 20x the amount.

Still, you're missing the point, Somebody claimed that the G.O.P. didn't care about the thousands of people Nixon was killing, so when Barry Obamas friend Billy ayers tried to blow up buildings, was not a big thing.

Even still, JFK signed orders that allowed military action indirectly against north Vietnam, which became direct attacks later in LBJ era. Both are Dems.

Even more still,

The war started in 1959, even you claimed Eisenhower sent troops, so that would mean even by 1963, JFK was involved in Vietnam enough to 15,000 more troops there.

Yes, you are right, JFK did died in 1963.

[Pb Derigable]

Oh and welcome to America where without the little people you have no CONSUMERS! If the consumers don't have any money, guess what?! Big business had no to sell their 'stuff' to. So....I think the consumers drive the economy.

But you just made the McCain point and not even realized you did.

If corporations and small business taxes get raised or not cut for some sectors, they would have to increase their goods prices to make up for their lost profit. and because Joe the plumber retirement fund is probably heavily invested in big corporate stocks, he takes a hit and wants answers.

Still, sometimes when companies run low on profit, they decrease funding for research and development. That means no new things would get made. and If Americans don't invent stuff, China will and they will charge us extra to ship it over hear, even further raising prices and did i mention the lost of jobs when corporations have to make cuts to make a profit.

So even a small business may have to make cuts to still make a profit. Like cutting workers and benefits. They may not even throw that occasional party for everyone.

You may save up to 1,000 dollars with Obama plan. 20 dollars a week. but your health insurance may be cut, you may lose you're job and goods may go up in price.

IF 20 dollars a week is that important to you, i will gladly donate 20 dollars to you.

[jimmy page66]

I must say it is scary how far left Obama is. Everyone says McCain is 4 more years of Bush. He's not.

[JimmyPage1977]

I swear, some people around here dont' bother to read or even listen. Joe the plumber will NOT be affected by Obama's plans but my very wll be negatively affected by McCains.

As someone else pointed out 'registered' voters is way different than voters. And...chances are there were dupe republicans registered to but since this is a McCain news story of course we wouldn't hear about that.

Oh and welcome to America where without the little people you have no CONSUMERS! If the consumers don't have any money, guess what?! Big business had no to sell their 'stuff' to. So....I think the consumers drive the economy.

You, my sweet dear, are a moron. Any "small business" that is big enough to have employees will be grossing over $250K. Period. What do you not understand?

Joe the plumber makes over 100k by himself, why would he hire others if he couldn't make more? You really need to do some more homework.

I agree that "little people" buy the stuff... "little people" and lots of them make over $250K.... sorry if you are too stupid to be one of us!

OBAMA = socialism.

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains. Quote by Winston Churchill.

[THE FIRST LEDZEP]

I must say it is scary how far left Obama is. Everyone says McCain is 4 more years of Bush. He's not.

Obama = the abyss

[JimmyPage1977]

[allthekingshorses]

You, my sweet dear, are a moron. Any "small business" that is big enough to have employees will be grossing over $250K. Period. What do you not understand?

Joe the plumber makes over 100k by himself, why would he hire others if he couldn't make more? You really need to do some more homework.

I agree that "little people" buy the stuff... "little people" and lots of them make over $250K.... sorry if you are too stupid to be one of us!

OBAMA = socialism.

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains. Quote by Winston Churchill.

Here's a comparison of the two plans for you in case you haven't seen this..

Obama McCain

If you make... you'd

save the following with either candidate...

less than $19,000 $567 $21

$19,000-$37,600 $892 $118

$37,600-$66,400 $1118 $325

$66,400-$111,600 $1264 $994

$111,600-$161,000 $2135 $2584

$161,000-$227,000

$2796

$4437

If you're in the top 5% of earners... you'd pay

extra with Obama... you'd

save with McCain...

$227,000-$603,400 $121 $8159

$603,400-$2.87 million $93,709 $48,862

more than $2.87 million $542,882 $290,708

[allthekingshorses]

I don't think $121 is going to break the bank for someone making between 227K and 600K... But hey! maybe Joe's employees can save a whopping $21 or $118 with John McCain! Yeehaw!

[The Rover]

Still to Come, the Third-Party Debate

NY Times Oct. 15, 2008

By Leslie Wayne

If you haven’t gotten your fill of presidential debates after watching the McCain-Obama match-up this evening, mark your calendar for Sunday night.

That’s when Free and Equal.Org, a group formed to encourage third-party candidacies, is promoting a debate at the Columbia Political Union at Columbia University in New York for all six candidates seeking the presidency. The group is pretty much resigned to the fact that neither Senator John McCain nor Senator Barack Obama will be there.

But, others will show, they say. Amy Goodman, principal host of “Democracy Now!” a program of the left-leaning Pacifica radio, will host the event. C-SPAN will also be there to record it. Ms. Goodman, in a recent syndicated column, called for opening the current two-party debates, to more candidates. “It will not only make for better television,’’ said Ms. Goodman in her column, “it will make for better democracy.”

Just exactly who will be there is still murky, since certified letters have just gone out to all candidates, say event organizers. Ralph Nader, who is on the ballot in 45 states as an independent candidate, has indicated he will show up. Cynthia McKinney, former member of Congress from Georgia and the Green Party candidate, will also be there, according to her website. Ms. McKinney is on the ballot in 30 states. Also invited is Chuck Baldwin, running on the Constitution Party ticket in 35 states.

Mr. Baldwin is perhaps the least known of the group. He’s an evangelical minister and hosts a conservative talk show in the Florida panhandle region. He also has gained the endorsement of Ron Paul, whose bid for the Republican nomination garnered a loyal and enthusiastic following.

The only question mark is Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party candidate. Mr. Barr has made it clear that he will only debate Mr. Nader and no one else.

Christina M. Tobin, an event organizer and a Nader campaign staffer, said that she “challenges” Mr. Barr to show up.

“Let him show that he is a true Libertarian,” said Ms. Tobin, who grew up in a prominent Libertarian family. “This is a golden opportunity to get exposure and for people to hear his views. For him not to show up would be denying his Libertarian principles.”

Ms. Tobin added that if this event, which will be held at 8 p.m. is successful, her group plans to hold another one a few days later.

[marolyn]

JFK must be given the benefit of the doubt as he did not have a chance to make things right. LBJ did not handle things the way he should have. He was a terrible president in my opinion. Vietnam was a nightmare that they were not prepared for and the post 9/11 and Iraq war are pretty much our new Vietnam. History has a very poor view on our actions and decision in Vietnam and I believe that the same will hold true of Iraq, but 9/11 probably will always give them some favorable views in part to go in. Even though the argument will never end as to whether it was ultimately the correct decision.

yet again, iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 no matter how many times people say it did...

[Mary Hartman]

And for the front of the white house and lawns in America. Please quit scarin us cotton pickin wimmins.

[Mary Hartman]

Here's a comparison of the two plans for you in case you haven't seen this..

Obama McCain

If you make... you'd

save the following with either candidate...

less than $19,000 $567 $21

$19,000-$37,600 $892 $118

$37,600-$66,400 $1118 $325

$66,400-$111,600 $1264 $994

$111,600-$161,000 $2135 $2584

$161,000-$227,000

$2796

$4437

If you're in the top 5% of earners... you'd pay

extra with Obama... you'd

save with McCain...

$227,000-$603,400 $121 $8159

$603,400-$2.87 million $93,709 $48,862

more than $2.87 million $542,882 $290,708

Where do you get anything proposed automatically passes the house? I guess we should just keep spending 8 billion an hour and let other countries keep buying up American business's too.

[L 7]

And for the front of the white house and lawns in America. Please quit scarin us cotton pickin wimmins.

gee Mary Hartman, I didn`t know they grew cotton there. I always thought it was `tabacky.

[Mary Hartman]

gee Mary Hartman, I didn`t know they grew cotton there. I always thought it was `tabacky.

In DC? You find the statistics and I'll read them. Wait until Alfalfa get's his whip after you. Just for you Buckwheat

[cryingbluerain]

'Spread the wealth around'= largest welfare program in history. Handup or handout?

[allthekingshorses]

'Spread the wealth around'= largest welfare program in history. Handup or handout?

It's called taxes "my friend"

[The Rover]

Trickle - Up Poverty:

The "New Economics" of Barack Hussein Obama

The liberal media talking heads are already proclaiming that a Barack Obama victory will be revolutionary. Revolutionary is right. The last great revolution took place in Russia. Within a year of the Russian Revolution in 1917, the communist leader Lenin brought the Russians change they could believe in. He created an economic system in which:

All industry was nationalized and strict centralized management was introduced.

Obligatory labor duty was imposed onto "non-working classes" or people who had money. Food was rationed and centrally distributed.

Military-like control of railroads was introduced.

Private enterprise became illegal.

After Stalin took over the Soviet Union, he:

Imposed a state-run system of socialized medicine

Formed a strict, centralized cultural administration and ideological control system – in other words, reeducation.

There is every reason to believe that some kind of socialist revolution will occur under B.O. Bush has already imposed socialism on the banks, and Obama promises to do more of the same. The Soviets put people with money to work in factories.

Under Obama, the business owners in this country who drive the economy will be put to work by being forced to pay crushing taxes that will fund gold-plated healthcare for illegal aliens and welfare cases. Private enterprise may not actually be made illegal, but so many businesses will die under an Obama administration that the same goal will be accomplished. Instead of trickle-down economics, we’ll have trickle-up poverty.

We already know Obama will impose socialized medicine – that is a given. And reeducation will come in the form of the Fairness Doctrine, which Nancy Pelosi will push through the Congress by stressing the need to foster unity and avoid destabilizing the markets with hurtful and unbalanced commentary.This is what the future holds under B.O. (Or BHO, is you prefer....)

[THE FIRST LEDZEP]

Remember, the elections of 2000 and 2004 were decided by very small margins, and this year's election will be no different. And this time, liberal special interests are spending over $1 billion to make sure their Democrat allies emerge victorious.

Help defeat the Obama-Bin Laden Democrats and their leftist allies -- and prevent a complete left-wing takeover of American government.

[allthekingshorses]

^ you are quite ignorant trying to link Barack to Osama, that would be the Bush family.

and Rover, it's Barack Obama, just like it's John McCain. Trying to make Barack out to be some terrorist or better yet, your latest post trying to make him some Russian militant is so ridiculous. Do you have an ounce of intelligent debate in your brain? Could you maybe talk about some facts rather than the new and improved Republican fear mongering?

[THE FIRST LEDZEP]