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The Next President of the USA will be?

Who will win the Presidency in 2008?  

282 members have voted

  1. 1. Who Wins in 2008?

    • Hillary Clinton
      47
    • Rudy Giuliani
      9
    • John Edwards
      7
    • Mike Huckabee
      7
    • John McCain
      42
    • Barack Obama
      136
    • Ron Paul
      21
    • Mitt Romney
      9
    • Bill Richardson
      1
    • Fred Thompson
      3


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^^ exactly Hot Plant... 200,000 votes her way but what about delegates??? 15 or so? hmmm.. not going to cut it.

The Obama camp did well enough tonight. They did what they needed to do.

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Hillary used the Kitchen sink strategy

Now Obama is using the washing machine strategy

a.k.a."the spin cycle"

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10% is huge considered the fact he out spent her 3 to 1

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Remember once you bring up age with McCain, shots at Obama about his race is fair game.

Yeah, cuz jokes about a candidate's age are pretty much

the same as making race-related comments,.. right?

:lol:

Come on Pb,.. you can do better than that, cant you? :rolleyes:

Btw,.. regarding your Supreme Court/partial birth abortion/parental notification/interstate travel question: I'm opposed to partial birth abortions; I'm opposed to parental notification requirements; and I don't know of any laws that prevent minors from traveling between states for medical procedures. Personally I would (in the vast majority of cases) discourage a woman from having an abortion, but ultimately I do support a woman's right to choose. I'm in favor of making federally funded sex education/planned parenthood education/pregnancy education widely available as a means of reducing the rate of unplanned pregnancies and the rate of abortions.. and as a means of providing pregnancy counseling for women who are considering having an abortion.. to make sure they are making their choice from a place of full awareness of the available options and the consequences (emotional and otherwise) of each of those options.

:hippy:

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Re: today's PA primary..

Hillary won.. as expected. And, as also expected, she's framing/spinning her 10% margin of victory as being an indication of Obama's inability to win in key states.. apparently disregarding the fact that he cut her margin of victory in half from what her lead was (according to the polls) not too long ago. Afaic, Obama did quite well in a state in which he wasn't even expected to be competitive. The fact remains that Clinton made no appreciable gain in the delegate race (10), and whatever gains she made in the popular vote tally (approx 200,000) will very likely be neutralized in the upcoming primaries in Indiana and N. Carolina. She's still unlikely to catch Obama in either pledged delegates or popular vote totals.

No one expects Hillary to drop out at this point. But hopefully the superdelegates will start falling in line to support Obama,.. if not this week, then after Obama wins Indiana and N. Carolina.

:beer:

Overthehillsandfaraway.. fwiw, I'm not the least bit interested in rubbing your nose in anything. If Hillary had lost tonight I would have been celebrating Obama's victory/nomination not Hillary's defeat; and I would have been hoped you'd be getting ready to board the O-train for the general election. Believe me, friend, when I say I don't begrudge you your choice to support Clinton. I don't have anything against Hillary (other than the fact that I don't care for some of the lowbrow tactics her campaign has been resorting to). I'm pro-Obama, not anti-Hillary. If Hillary gets the nomination I'll support her as the dem candidate. Why is it so difficult for you comprehend that someone can be pro-Obama and not necessarily be anti-Hillary? Perhaps its cuz you're not able to be as gracious toward Obama, eh? ;)

Anyway.. the race goes on.

Go Obama :cheer:

Here's to a night that went pretty

much as expected for the O-Train.

:beer:

:hippy:

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point of interest hermit, how would you feel about a suspension of the gas tax from memorial day to labor day as a way to stimulate the economy? (McCain's idea)

You mean McCain's "gas tax holiday"?

Heck,.. who doesnt like a holiday, right?!! :cheer:

:D

Seriously though, I see it as nothing but a self-serving (pun intended) political stunt. For one thing, it'll never happen [but why let that little detail stop McCain from trying to score political points by suggesting a gas tax holiday (holiday! :cheer:) anyway, right?]; and for another thing, it won't stimulate the economy.

Under McCain's disingenuous "gas tax holiday" (holiday! :cheer:) plan, I'd personally save $2.34 per tank of gas (.18 per gal x 13 gals). That's the equivalent of a bit more than a half-gallon of free gas per fill-up. Whoop-de-frickin-do. For someone with a 26-gallon tank, that amounts to a free gallon of gas per fill-up. Do you really think a free gallon of gas per 26-gallon fill-up is going to "stimulate the economy"? Of course not. And McCain knows it (or maybe he doesn't know it. Afterall, economics, he admits, is not something he understands very well), but that doesn't stop him from making the suggestion anyway.. in a blatant attempt to score political points. It's McPanderer at his pandering best.

Also bear this in mind: gas tax money funds highway infrastructure maintenance (including bridges) and construction. Do you think our national highway infrastructure can afford a revenue/funding hit just so we can get a free half-gallon (or gallon) of gas per fill-up throughout the summer?

:whistling:

Like I said.. afaic, McCain's "gas tax holiday" (holiday! :cheer:) suggestion is nothing but a self-serving political stunt.

:hippy:

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..Obama does not impress me a bit with his beating a dead dog over and over. He isnt as thoughtfull as Hillary and isnt as widespread on issues. Just the old broken record idle promise type rhetoric. No real specifics on how he will accomplish his promises. He has brainwashed the young and the blacks. the blacks are voting for him for all the wrong reason. because he is black. that is a shame. and it is shamefull. the older and wiser voters who are educated can see through this. Go ahead. Make my day Hermit.

You've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky?

Well,.. do ya, punk?

*ahem*

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April 16, 2008

Last week, Gallup reported on the "education gap" in voting in the Democratic primary race, with Obama running strongly among those with a college degree or postgraduate education, and Clinton doing better among those with less formal education.

*source: gallup.com*

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April 9, 2008

Obama Dominates Clinton Among College Graduates

Clinton beats Obama among those with high school educations or less

PRINCETON, NJ -- National Democrats remain strongly divided by education as to their preferences for their party's presidential nomination, with less well-educated Democrats supporting Hillary Clinton, while those with college and postgraduate educations are just as strongly skewed toward Barack Obama.

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Yet the two candidates' support levels have been and remain significantly influenced by voter education levels. Among all Democratic voters interviewed in the first seven days of April as part of Gallup Poll Daily tracking, Clinton leads by a 13-point margin among those who have high school educations or less. Obama, on the other hand, leads among all other groups, including a 34-point margin among Democrats with postgraduate educations.

*source: gallup.com*

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:whistling:

Ahhh!,.. that made my day. :lol:

Cheers, punk. Erm, I mean,.. overthehills.

:beer:

B)

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You've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky?

Well,.. do ya, punk?

*ahem*

---------

April 16, 2008

Last week, Gallup reported on the "education gap" in voting in the Democratic primary race, with Obama running strongly among those with a college degree or postgraduate education, and Clinton doing better among those with less formal education.

*source: gallup.com*

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April 9, 2008

Obama Dominates Clinton Among College Graduates

Clinton beats Obama among those with high school educations or less

PRINCETON, NJ -- National Democrats remain strongly divided by education as to their preferences for their party's presidential nomination, with less well-educated Democrats supporting Hillary Clinton, while those with college and postgraduate educations are just as strongly skewed toward Barack Obama.

040908DemSupport1_adfaeghpc350cgs2.gif

Yet the two candidates' support levels have been and remain significantly influenced by voter education levels. Among all Democratic voters interviewed in the first seven days of April as part of Gallup Poll Daily tracking, Clinton leads by a 13-point margin among those who have high school educations or less. Obama, on the other hand, leads among all other groups, including a 34-point margin among Democrats with postgraduate educations.

*source: gallup.com*

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:whistling:

Ahhh!,.. that made my day. :lol:

Cheers, punk. Erm, I mean,.. overthehills.

:beer:

B)

Nice job Hermit. I would have expected nothing less from you. We will have to see where the chips or supers fall in the end. As for the anti Hillary thing, there is much of it on this board. So people like me are giving it back a little. I think she is the better choice and Ill stick to that. Have a nice day.

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Before Billary reared it's ugly head about 2 months ago, I was going to vote for it. I really thought I was going to vote for Hillary if she got the nomination... that changed when she got nasty. She kinda lost me when she said all he had was a good speech from 2002. And she went downhill from there.

And her not being able to say or at least express in the slightest that the debate last week was biased towards her just shows what a coward and a liar she is. Geez, maybe the next debate should start asking about Monica Lewinsky... Senator Clinton, how can we be sure you aren't going to be more concerned about your cheating husband at three in the morning instead of being able to answer the phone?

Hey Hermit...... search for Baracky on you tube if you haven't seen it already. It's Billary at it's finest.

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OK Mr I dont care who wins. If you dont care why are you watching and posting? Let the big Obama guns come out of the closet tonight. You may live another day, but tonight belongs to Hillary. GO HILLARY!!! YEAH!!!!!

I responded to you:

I think you're confusing me with DRUNK. I care who our next President is. Of all three I do think Obama is the lesser of all evils... however, the more I read about all three of them (McCain, Clinton, and Obama), the more angry I get that Ron Paul and John Edwards aren't still in the running.

But you ignored me:

Now I didnt pick a quarrel with you. But this young dude said fuck the election earler today. Just giving him some good medicine. and if Hillary had lost Hermit would already be on here rubbing my nose in it. the fight goes on. And the dream never dies.

For what it's worth, this is what I actually said:

Who does one vote for in this fucked up election?

This is my first election, and the more learn, the less I want to vote. At the beginning, we had some great candidates on both sides. Ron Paul, John Edwards... now it's down to Primordial McCain, Double-talking Obama, and the dynamic duo Batman and Robin hated, Billary.

I don't want McCain because the last thing our economy needs is another 100 years in Iraq. Yeah, I respect his patriotism for this country, but his ideals are flawed. He supports torture when he was tortured, he believes we are going to spend another 100 years in Iraq... NO WAY!

I don't want Obama because he's a double-talker with a slick message and a hidden agenda. You don't know whether or not to trust him.

I don't want Billary because, for one thing, it's time for the Bush's and the Clinton's to step down. They've ruled the White House for way to long. We need another family in there. Plus, Hillary's health care plan, while very good on paper, is extrememly Unconstitutional just based on the fact the her plan includes forcing everyone onto health care. Plus, what with all scandals surrounding the Clinton family and Hillary herself (Whitewater, Travelgate, the Dubai Port Deal, The Kaplan Connection, etc), I don't want to put my trust in her.

I'm seriously considering not voting.

I wish Ron Paul had more support. He'd be a better candidate, IMO.

In summary: I don't not care. I just don't like any of the three remainng candidates, and I'm having trouble deciding who is the least of three evils. And while I still lean towards Obama... that could change now.

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Im starting to get sick with all the spinning around here.

:'(

You people better stop drinking the Koolaid and start drinking McCainorade.

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And here's the thing that Obama brings to the table...many Repubs are willing to vote for him. There are a lot of conservatives who don't feel McCain is conservative enough, and who are just as sick of the last 8 years of Bush as the Dems are. I've heard many Repubs say "I like Obama, we need a change, I'd vote for him". Even my conservative lawyer sister-in-law who supports the Iraq war has said she'd vote for Obama. But none of these Repubs would consider voting for Hilary, their Clinton-hate runs too deep.

My point is that in the general election, Obama will take the Dem votes, and some of the Republican votes too. But none of the Republican votes would go to Hilary if she was the candidate, they hate her more than McCain. Bottom line, in Obama vs McCain, Obama will take some Repub votes. In Clinton vs McCain, she would take no Republican votes.

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And here's the thing that Obama brings to the table...many Repubs are willing to vote for him. There are a lot of conservatives who don't feel McCain is conservative enough, and who are just as sick of the last 8 years of Bush as the Dems are. I've heard many Repubs say "I like Obama, we need a change, I'd vote for him". Even my conservative lawyer sister-in-law who supports the Iraq war has said she'd vote for Obama. But none of these Repubs would consider voting for Hilary, their Clinton-hate runs too deep.

My point is that in the general election, Obama will take the Dem votes, and some of the Republican votes too. But none of the Republican votes would go to Hilary if she was the candidate, they hate her more than McCain. Bottom line, in Obama vs McCain, Obama will take some Repub votes. In Clinton vs McCain, she would take no Republican votes.

But polling suggests that 26% of Hillary supporters will vote for McCain instead of Obama. One things about the G.O.P. is they love their money and their guns. and Obama is a direct threat to that.

There is another theory I heard on MSNBC. It was the Col. Jessop theory. Most Americans agree the war was not a good thing, most Americans want the troops to come home. Now Obama has stated he will bring the troops home, but will do it in a orderly fashion. But you know the G.O.P is just going to spin that saying he can't promise to bring them home as much as McCain can't promise we won't be there for the next 100 years. So as Col. Jessop said in A Few Good Men, "You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall". As great as Obama thoughts on foreign policy, McCain has more experience on that, so that would push any doubters back to McCain. The G.O.P. will make sure of that.

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Im starting to get sick with all the spinning around here.

:'(

You people better stop drinking the Koolaid and start drinking McCainorade.

McCainorade??? ...yeah, it's a cocktail of Geritol and Viagra with a dash of Sunni or wait is it Shia. :P

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McCainorade??? ...yeah, it's a cocktail of Geritol and Viagra with a dash of Sunni or wait is it Shia. :P

or the koolaid could be a 40z of Colt-45 with a paper bag around it. or it could be purple with crystal. It has the elegance that a liberal elitist could enjoy. But too bitter for us normal folk.

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Are are someone you know suffering from Excessive ED ? ? ?

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I'm beginning to think that in the end, voters will have enough of this democratic going's on and vote in McCain. Yeah, I've got that feeling.

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Breaking News

Fox News is reporting that the obama campaign just hired somebody to deal with Hillary

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Mariano Rivera Professional Closer

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someone left Dubya off of the list for next President (he won't leave, even if it is an election year):

He'll remain in charge since we are in a time of war and due to the Homeland Security Act and new laws he passed recently , he'll stay in office (so all of those running won't ever get to step foot in the white house, except to visit).

http://www.constitution.org/col/cuddy_nwo.htm

scroll down (from 1988 to present and you'll see why)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/...ain576332.shtml

R B)

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someone left Dubya off of the list for next President (he won't leave, even if it is an election year):

He'll remain in charge since we are in a time of war and due to the Homeland Security Act and new laws he passed recently , he'll stay in office (so all of those running won't ever get to step foot in the white house, except to visit).

http://www.constitution.org/col/cuddy_nwo.htm

scroll down (from 1988 to present and you'll see why)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/...ain576332.shtml

R B)

Bonesmen

ALL HERE!

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Whats really scary about Obama being president, is that our Gov. of Illinois, whom by the way flies back to Chicago everyday from Springfield (which cost 7,000 a day), gets to decide who will replace Sen. Obama. We may see Sen. Rezko in the near future,

Even if Obama loses the POTUS race, he will probably lose his seat in the next election. The G.O.P. of Illinois is starting to come around, and they have their sites on that seat in 2010, along with the Gov. So anything that will be used this summer is going to be used again in 2010. By than, all of the democratic power in chicago will be arrested.

I wouldn't mine seeing Mayor Daley of Chicago be appointed, but he'll start bashing muther fuckers in the head with a baseball bat on the senate floor. Just like Robert Deniro did as Al Capone in the Untochables. If daley was president, the middle east would be a plate of glass with Oil Deirks on top.

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He needs to after getting his butt kicked by double digits.

NOBAMA

CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)

1,237,696 54.6%

OBAMA, BARACK (DEM)

1,029,672 45.4%

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/Ele...p;ElectionID=27

It's not double digits at the moment..... :)

(Ok, I admit I'm pushing it because not all numbers are in and it's very close to 10 but there it is.... less than 10!)

So for the moment we will discount your butt kicking double digit comments.

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Sen. Rezco.... wow, I hope you are being sarcastic and that you don't really think that would happen.

your not from chicago are you?

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I didnt ignore you. I was off line. And didnt see the post. You could always vote for Nader as he says he is running again, the moron. To me Hillary is not evil. Nor is McCain. But Obama scares me the most as he is the mystery man. The Republicans saved their better candidates for 2112 knowing full well that whoever runs will pay for Bush's mistakes. Bill Clinton's dumb ass fling with Monica certainly cost Gore the white house in my opinion. And probably hurt Kerry too. Maybe Hillary would have been better off divorcing him after winning the Senate. Reagan was divorced and won the Presidency.

Nader? Ha! The only reason Nader runs is because he knows a vote for him is a vote for McCain. So if I vote for Nader, I vote for McCain, something I do NOT want to do.

If you don't think McCain is evil, how can you think Obama's evil? McCain will keep us in Iraq, continue the US's torture policies... he'd basically be Bush III, as Hermit continues to say. At least Obama will get us out of Iraq and, hopefully, implement a plan to get our gas prices back down and our economy back up.

But I'm sick of the Clintons, and I'm sick of the Republicans.

Then again, I'm sick of the Democrats, too. But I won't vote Green.

When will the Libertarians have a candidate who can win?

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