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You are Correct, Sir !

Yeah, well, there are a few giveaways that it's the studio version; a few:

1. Robert doesn't say "I wanna take it to ya" (or something that sounds like that); I've never heard a live version where he doesn't say that.

2. Robert sounds too young; In 98% of all live versions, he resorts to using his deeper, Knebworth-style voice.

3. There's no audience noise at all throughout the entire track! I mean, seriously, who ever ever heard of a live version without audience chatter in the background?

4. IT SOUNDS EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!!

5. The synth sounds too real to be live.

My rant is now over.

:)

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Yeah, well, there are a few giveaways that it's the studio version; a few:

1. Robert doesn't say "I wanna take it to ya" (or something that sounds like that); I've never heard a live version where he doesn't say that.

2. Robert sounds too young; In 98% of all live versions, he resorts to using his deeper, Knebworth-style voice.

3. There's no audience noise at all throughout the entire track! I mean, seriously, who ever ever heard of a live version without audience chatter in the background?

4. IT SOUNDS EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!!

5. The synth sounds too real to be live.

My rant is now over.

:)

Before the best version thread had started all I was interested in was which footage was used for Kashmir on the enhanced CD Latter Days.It looks like it's Earls Court '75.Now on the matter of which track was used;having listened to the various live shows and the studio version of Kashmir.I'd agree with kashmiran that some splicing was involved on the soundtrack of the clip (if someones got better proof,I'm listening).Having said that,Reg was only forwarding his best version of the song (as was I), so thanks for the heads up on the clip kashmiran.Testament to the fact that you'll find the facts on a Zep site.(it's still a deadly cool clip to watch) :P:whistling::thumbsup:
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Dude, that version was just the normal studio version with a live ending attached. I know. I compared.

What are you implying?

I've listened to the studio version over 10 thousand times (that's at least once a day), since 1975 and yes it does sound the same.

My ringtone on my mobile is the studio version.

Who's to say they didn't replicate it?

Whatever, it's good editing.

The live version of P & P at their Sydney concert would beat any other recorded "live" version I've heard hands down, even the Unledded version.

Personally I prefer Kashmir played on a Les Paul than a Danelectro anyday.

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What are you implying?

I've listened to the studio version over 10 thousand times (that's at least once a day), since 1975 and yes it does sound the same.

My ringtone on my mobile is the studio version.

Who's to say they didn't replicate it?

Whatever, it's good editing.

The live version of P & P at their Sydney concert would beat any other recorded "live" version I've heard hands down, even the Unledded version.

Personally I prefer Kashmir played on a Les Paul than a Danelectro anyday.

Whoah, there, man! Didn't mean to offend anyone. I was just pointing out that it's the studio version.

The way you said it you sounded like you didn't know. Just giving you heads-up. And, no, honestly, I don't think they could replicate it live. Robert sounds rwally young in the studio version, but he sounds more like the older, Knebworth-style Robert live. I also happen to think it's better with the Les Paul. Oh, and for the record, my favorite version is either Knebworth version. Robert is better on the 4th, but the rest of the band are more inventive on the 11th. Also the synth sounded better on the 11th.

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Before the best version thread had started all I was interested in was which footage was used for Kashmir on the enhanced CD Latter Days.It looks like it's Earls Court '75.Now on the matter of which track was used;having listened to the various live shows and the studio version of Kashmir.I'd agree with kashmiran that some splicing was involved on the soundtrack of the clip (if someones got better proof,I'm listening).Having said that,Reg was only forwarding his best version of the song (as was I), so thanks for the heads up on the clip kashmiran.Testament to the fact that you'll find the facts on a Zep site.(it's still a deadly cool clip to watch) :P:whistling::thumbsup:

Sorry about double-posting, but I just realized I forgot to reply to Ross. Yeah, this is definitely the best version hands-down. I'm kinda interested in what ending was used, actually. I heard a '75 version (maybe from Vancouver) with exactly the same notes and instruments, but the difference in sound quality is too drastic to tell. (Also, I've never heard a version with an ending quite the same as the one used in this clip other than this.) I think the footage may be from Earl's Court, but it doesn't look the same as it does on the DVD.

:unsure:

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Again, sorry for posting three times in a row, but I've just reconsidered what my favourite version is:

March 19, 1975, Vancouver Coliseum, British Columbia, Canada. Great synth, great vocal, great everything. Funny, I used to absolutely hate this version. I guess now I'm hearing it in a new light. Also, Robert's voice does do the song justice on this version. I love everything about it. The way Robert knows he's not going to be able to hit the long sustain, so he does a shorter, higher, more powerful one instead; The way Jimmy does a gentle string bend on the Les Paul to announce the last three bars of the song; the gentle cymbal intro; The extended drum outro; John Paul Jones' piano chords during the middle-section and end...

The list goes on and on. Hands-down, best version ever (other than the Latter Days clip, of course).

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Some great suggestions, thanks to all. I'm still happily "researching" this. I do have a new front-runner: 4-28-77, 2nd night in Richfield, Ohio. Now this is what I'm talking about. a devastating "we're not worthy" version, the hammer of the gods. No non-Bonzo version can touch this, IMHO

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Like another poster saud.... I too am still boggled by Led Zeppelin's amazing and exhilirating and mezmereizing performance of KASMIR... for me, experienced on the night of May 22, 1977 in Ft. Worth, Texas, at the Tarrant County Convention Center. I didn't have close up seats for that show. I was "just in the hall".... but.... Zeppelin's sound was so awesome and powerful, that EVERYONE got the FULL DOSE of what that KASHMIR had to offer. I think that was the most utter, raw Led Zeppelin, at it's most powerful, that I have ever witnessed.... I'm talking 'out of body' experience here... and I don't throw that around lightly !

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To be honest, I'd have to say from what I've seen of the concert, O2 was the best performance......of course, I wasn't there so what do I know

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I was never impressed with Kashmir on Physical Graffiti. I never 'got' the song until I heard it live in 1977. Their sound that year was huge and crystal clear, even in the nosebleed seats.

I agree the studio Kashmir is WEAK but the 1975 version kicks ass :D

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I was never impressed with Kashmir on Physical Graffiti. I never 'got' the song until I heard it live in 1977. Their sound that year was huge and crystal clear, even in the nosebleed seats.

Exactly ! ! :D

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I was never impressed with Kashmir on Physical Graffiti. I never 'got' the song until I heard it live in 1977. Their sound that year was huge and crystal clear, even in the nosebleed seats.

I actually heard Kashmir performed live before I heard it on PG. It completely knocked the wind out of me. I was stunned. At that point, I had many Zep concerts under my belt but that didn't mean that I was jaded and was incapable of being astounded by what the band did on stage. Kashmir is a perfect example of that. After that, hearing the song on PG was anti-climatic.

I agree the studio Kashmir is WEAK but the 1975 version kicks ass :D

I absolutely agree with your "kick ass" assessment. 1975 was the year that I heard Kashmir performed live.

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This is one tune that sounded very much the same at each performance. There wasn't much room for improvisation or lengthy soloing as in most of their other songs performed live. Not to say it isn't an amazing song and one I love to hear live, though.

I agree with you there. I do like the 77 versions because of the WS intro. the big 'wham' in the begining with the croud reaction makes my hair stand up. but that's about it...

the only real improv part is the middle with Plant. after that and before is the same'O-same'O....

but if I had to pick a favorite it would be from 4/27/77

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I agree with you there. I do like the 77 versions because of the WS intro. the big 'wham' in the begining with the croud reaction makes my hair stand up. but that's about it...

the only real improv part is the middle with Plant. after that and before is the same'O-same'O....

but if I had to pick a favorite it would be from 4/27/77

Agreed. 1977 Kashmir performances are my favorite.

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I agree with you there. I do like the 77 versions because of the WS intro. the big 'wham' in the begining with the croud reaction makes my hair stand up. but that's about it...

the only real improv part is the middle with Plant. after that and before is the same'O-same'O....

but if I had to pick a favorite it would be from 4/27/77

I LOVE the White Summer intro to Kashmir ! !

I can easily remember Jimmy, in one fluid motion, standing up and kicking back the small chair that he was performing WS on, to immeadiately then launch into Kashmir.... :thumbsup:

'77 was one of the best damn tour that Zeppelin ever presented.

The Good night were FANTASTIC NiGHTS to HEAR and SEE Zeppelin perform !

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Again, sorry for posting three times in a row, but I've just reconsidered what my favourite version is:

March 19, 1975, Vancouver Coliseum, British Columbia, Canada. Great synth, great vocal, great everything. Funny, I used to absolutely hate this version. I guess now I'm hearing it in a new light. Also, Robert's voice does do the song justice on this version. I love everything about it. The way Robert knows he's not going to be able to hit the long sustain, so he does a shorter, higher, more powerful one instead; The way Jimmy does a gentle string bend on the Les Paul to announce the last three bars of the song; the gentle cymbal intro; The extended drum outro; John Paul Jones' piano chords during the middle-section and end...

The list goes on and on. Hands-down, best version ever (other than the Latter Days clip, of course).

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vancouver 19.3.75 is a belter, so too seattle 2 days later. Im also partial to the much maligned Seattle 77 version, dont think theres much wrong with the last hour of that show. Of course being able to see it helps

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for me, Listen to This Eddie 6/21/77?

Earl's Court 5/25/75

MSG 2/12/75

Oakland 7/24/77

Chicago 1/20/75

there are others too

I'll go with 6-21-77, 5-25-75, and 2-12-75. I think it's a little better without the White Summer/Black Mountain Side intro as during the '77 and '80 tours. It works well, but I think to hear Bonzo shouting "One, Two, Three, FAHR" and then everyone is locked in. Great stuff.

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Yeah, well, there are a few giveaways that it's the studio version; a few:

1. Robert doesn't say "I wanna take it to ya" (or something that sounds like that); I've never heard a live version where he doesn't say that.

"Woman, talkin' to ya!"

I'm not able to narrow it down precisely, but he seemed to add this in early March of the '75 tour.

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My 2 cents, for what it's worth....

O2 Arena, London.

I was there and I know there was all the emotion of that night and I know it was the last song of the main set, etc etc, but it really did sound frightening.

It left me speechless on the night and, listening back to it on the better boots, it sounds even better each time I hear it now. For me it is the best version there is. Dense, raw, bludgeoning, powerful, tight but loose, dangerous, historic.

It was (and still is) my Zep moment.

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