Audacity Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 But lets face it, killing an animal with a high powered sniper rifle in a fenced off field is not hunting is it? And it doesn't make you a hard man or hero either. Regards, Danny You might agree with my earlier post, huh? I believe for the most part, Hunting, has lost it's meaning. As Mangani said previously, most hunters sit on their ass in a tree stand or duck blind or somesuch waiting for their prey to appear. The hunt is what would make it a sport. Not the killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Hi Audacity, I do agree with your previous post. Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audacity Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Hi Audacity, I do agree with your previous post. Danny I thought you might agree at least somewhat. I hunt, but my prize is when I shoot a great picture and can admire the majesty of the animal in photography at home, away from the field. Of course nothing compares to seeing with your own eyes the animal in it's natural habitat. It's thrilling as hell to be out in their environment with no weapons, vulnerable to their whims. My adrenaline shoots through the ceiling when I encounter a bear in the wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Hi Audacity, I take my hat of to you sir. That sounds like a great idea, have a camera attached to the sights and shot the picture instead of the animal. Coming from the East End of London I have always had to fight as it is a very rough part of town. And being a city lad hunting has never appealed to me as I have always had to fight for a reason, mostly to stopped being bullied. Most people I grew up with went Fishing in the canal, even then I couldn't see the point to it as they always put the fish back. I suppose thats why they call it Angling as with Fishing you eat your catch. Regards, Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanna be drummer Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Hi "wanna be drummer" I think you have got the wrong impression of what I have said. I got my information from Teds own site, he said he avoided the draft for Vietnam because "he didn't want to get his arse shot off". In my opinion that makes him a coward. He likes to shoot things just as long as they cant shoot back.I don't think anyone wanted to go to Vietnam. 60,000 of our young men died there, and most of them were drafted. I doubt anyone would have gone over there if they had a choice. I don't consider them cowards. BUt I see what you're saying. But at the same time, it takes balls to shoot a charging moose with a bow and arrow don't you think? As regards to a "mono e mono fight" (is that "one on one"?) then if I have offended him he should have the right to reply on here. If he thought that the only way to regain his honour and to gain his lost respect is to fight me then so be it. But if you think he would walk all over me then think again. I have 20 odd years of Ju Jitsu behind me and I am a very able street fighter, so I am quite use to seeing my own blood all over me. Good for you. I just can't stand it when people call him a pussy or something when he could rock their ass. You could handle yourself apparently. Thats great. I was sort of talking to you and people in general. Ya know, answering like 8 posts by answering only yours Now your second point, "you seem to hold the belief that since food can be readily made available or received from a restaurant or store, we shouldn't hunt?" The point I made was that you don't have to "HUNT TO EAT" in the Western world. If you want to "HUNT TO EAT" I don't have a problem with that, go ahead and do it, that is your right. But lets face it, killing an animal with a high powered sniper rifle in a fenced off field is not hunting is it? And it doesn't make you a hard man or hero either.Ted doesn't just hunt on his property. He used to go to Canada and hunt black bears among other things. Hunters like him may not "hunt" in the traditional sense, but if he kills an animal and eats it, does it really matter if he stalked it in the woods for 4 hours or not? So "wanna be drummer" lets not fall out about all this, I am not saying that all hunters are cowards, far from it. But over here in England we have a very large section of especially men who think they are macho if they take part in Fox Hunting, Dog Fighting, Football Fighting and Gang fighting, let me tell you from years of experience they will never fight you on a "one on one" basis where you only have your wits to help you, because there's a slight chance they will lose, and that's the last thing they want to do. Whereas with me losing is my ego telling me to get better, and train harder, and I don't fear that and neither should anyone. So I say only fight if you have to and only kill if you need to, that way you will never feel guilty. Sorry I rambled on so much. Regards, Danny Peace to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I don't think anyone wanted to go to Vietnam. 60,000 of our young men died there, and most of them were drafted. I doubt anyone would have gone over there if they had a choice. I don't consider them cowards. BUt I see what you're saying. But at the same time, it takes balls to shoot a charging moose with a bow and arrow don't you think? Good for you. I just can't stand it when people call him a pussy or something when he could rock their ass. You could handle yourself apparently. Thats great. I was sort of talking to you and people in general. Ya know, answering like 8 posts by answering only yours Ted doesn't just hunt on his property. He used to go to Canada and hunt black bears among other things. Hunters like him may not "hunt" in the traditional sense, but if he kills an animal and eats it, does it really matter if he stalked it in the woods for 4 hours or not? Peace to you Hi "Wanna be drummer", So glad we aint gonna fall out over this mate. As for Ted, I don't have anything against him really, I only got the hump with him when I went on to his site and read all the BS about hunting. I have a lot of respect for animals and I don't like it when people abuse them. Over here in England we have a problem with people who think Dog fighting is OK or Fox hunting makes you a man, and it don't. You cant use killing animals to show how much of a man you are unless you fight them one on one, otherwise you are not being true to yourself. You say Ted traveled to Canada to shoot Black Bears, but from what I have seen these Bears are killed in their den while very sleepy, and does he eat the Bear after. And is this truly hunting, or just an excuse for killing, please help me with this one as I cant get my head around it. I had an English Bull Terrier called Monty for 12 years untill he died in 2005. Every one use to say that he was a real big (30lb) bad dog that could kill anything that went up against him. In truth I trained him to be a gentleman, he never bit or killed anything. He became my best friend and on three occasions I had to fight off dogs that took a dislike to him, I think he would have had to be backed in to a corner before he would fight anything. The thing about me calling Ted a coward may have been a bit hard on him. But if he didn't want to go to Vietnam and fight the all he had to do was what Cassius Clay did, just say so. But he got out of the draft, and you only have to look at what he says now to know that way down in side him, he regrets what he did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent We could go on for hours about this, couldn't we? Regards, Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonefreelee Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 It's thrilling as hell to be out in their environment with no weapons, vulnerable to their whims. My adrenaline shoots through the ceiling when I encounter a bear in the wild. I think the excrement would shoot out of it's 'compartment', if you take my meaning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Mover Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Interesting debate - albeit strangely removed from the the original post. BBC Radio intertivewed Ted Nugent many years ago and produced a show of his all time top 10. He included Happening 10 Years Time Ago and Communication Breakdon whilst gushing on the subject of Jimmy Page. In fairness to TN he has rather made a career of making his views public, and he is at least consistent if not slightly over the top with his opinions. I actually find him a source of gret entertainment. I have not had the benefit of reading any of his numerous books on how to prepare meat that you have killed - but I will assume the recipes are not as succesful if you only use photographs of the animal as suggested by some people. I have some sympathy with people who find the eating of meat entirely unacceptable, but please, surely an animal being hunted in the wild is more palatable to coin a phrase than one that is bred to be fed and slaughtered. Those suggesting that a highg powered rifle or bow and arrow is a mismatch should visit an abatoir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailor86 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Although I got into a little bit of nugent way back in the day, he will never feel the love that the world gave to the second four guys from England, LZ. Ted epitomizes the over-the-top carnovirism, war-hawkishness that right-wing America values. Personally, his music doesn't touch any depths like Page's did. His is never at peace. It's constant "11" and he never gives it a break. I've seen Ted twice in concert, and both times it was so loud, I couldn't make out what song he was playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott78 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Ted Nugent is such an idiot . He has bashed Black Sabbath , Hendrix , and now Jimmy . I've even heard him say his music is landmark stuff in the history of rock . His music is not even on the same level as Zeppelin , Sabbath , or Deep Purple . The guy lives in his own world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blige, Kid Rock...ENYA???? Damn Ted! And after your never had a drug ass wrote such epics as Wango Tango??? All right! It's zee Wango, zee Tango 1-2-3-4 Come on boys Time to Wango My baby she like to rock My baby she like to roll My baby she can dance all night My baby got no control She do the Wango Tango My baby she can scream and shout My baby she can move it out My baby she can take a chance My baby got a brand new dance Wango Tango Wango Tango It's a Wango Tango Ooooh yeah! (oooooh..) Baby! My baby like to rock My baby like to roll My baby like to dance all night She got no control She do... Wango Tango Wango Tango Wango Tango Ooooh yeah! (oooooh..) Yeahhhhhhhhhh! Baby! Baby! Baby! Ooooh I like the way you look baby You look like you're made for me honey If you wanna take a little chance I'm gonna show you a new dance Baby I gotta Wango down one time with you honey I like it, I like it, I like it, I like it, I like it Well, it's a brand new dance Yeah been sweepin' the nation I said a brand new dance A rock 'n' roll sensation Yeah I like it baby, I do it every night I got to do it 'cos I like it so much Oh honey believe it baby You see it's a crazed gyration of the rock generation It's my motivation to avoid the nauseation, frustration When I need some lubrication - Baby! Kinda like, goes kinda like this You take her right ankle out You take her left ankle out You get her belly propped down You get her butt propped up Yeah lookin' good now baby I think you're in the right position now baby Yeah but if you ain't quite ready I'll make sure everything is a little bit nicer 'cos I'm gonna get a little talcum I'm gonna borrow it from Malcolm Yeah you look so good baby I'm startin to drool all over myself I got the droolin', droolin', get all wet, salivate, salivate I got slimy legs, slimy legs, slimy legs Got slimy, slimy, slimy, slimy, heh heh heh Yeah you look so good baby, I like it, I like it, I like it You know what I been talkin' about honey It's a nice dance, we gotta a nice dance goin' here Now what you gotta do, I'll tell you what you gotta do You got to pretend your face is a Maserati It's a Maserati It's a Maserati It's a gettin' hotty It's a Maserati, Maserati, Maserati It's a fast one too man, that thing's turbocharged You feel like a little fuel injection honey? I'll tell ya about it, I'll tell you about it I'll check out the hood scoop I gotta get that hood scoop off, shine and shine and buff I gotta buff it up, buff it up, buff it up, buff it up, buff it up, Yeah, shiny now baby, heh heh heh You've been drivin' all night long It's time to put the old Maserati away So you look for a garage, you think you see a garage Wait a minute, Hey!, there's one up ahead And the damn thing's open Hello! Get in there! Is my baby alive? (Is my baby alive?) Is my baby alive? (Is my baby alive?) Is my baby alive? She Wango'd to death Wango Tango (Wango Tango) Wango Tango (Wango Tango) Wango Tango (Wango Tango) Wango Tango (Wango Tango) Wango Tango Wango Tango Wango Tango Wango Tango Wango Wango Tango Tango Wango Wango Wango Wango Tango Tango Tango Tango Love ya to death Ted, but please. Jimmy owns your zebra-striped Bronco dude. Grab that bow, cause you just got shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunga Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Nugent is a piece of shit and part of the reason why other countries hate America. I hope he gets stomped by a Rhino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangani Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Other countries hate us because they are Jealous of our freedoms, Bullspit. Many countries have freedoms. America doesn't have the monopoly on 'freedoms' and I'm getting pretty sick and tired of hearing this. Grab yourself a passport, travel for once in your life and you'll see that plenty of other countries are just as 'free' as America. I would vouch that your kind of attitude is partly the reason why some people might hate America (not me, I like it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suz Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Bullspit. Many countries have freedoms. America doesn't have the monopoly on 'freedoms' and I'm getting pretty sick and tired of hearing this. Grab yourself a passport, travel for once in your life and you'll see that plenty of other countries are just as 'free' as America. I would vouch that your kind of attitude is partly the reason why some people might hate America (not me, I like it). Unfortunately, I agree with you on that. But the forth of July rocks! King George was a dick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatbo Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Ask women in Radical Muslim countries how much freedom they have. Tell me one Country that has as many freedoms as Americans do.............just one. And do not forget about the right to bear arms. Most so called "Free" countries do not trust their own citizens to own firearms. That speaks volumes about these countries freedoms. i love my country but it didn't invent parlimentary procedure one country with as many 'freedoms' uh, the UK.... cops with NO guns. what a concept! travel some... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suz Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Ask women in Radical Muslim countries how much freedom they have. Tell me one Country that has as many freedoms as Americans do.............just one. And do not forget about the right to bear arms. Most so called "Free" countries do not trust their own citizens to own firearms. That speaks volumes about these countries freedoms. Try to stop apologizing because you are an American, I realize George Carlin would be proud of you but it is not necessary. Who's apologizing? And what the fuck does that have to do with George Carlin? You think that people who speak out or dissent are apologizing for being American? How bass- ackwards is that! Yeah, travel would be good for you, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 For me, Ted Nugent is a Wild Animal Hunter, who happens to be a Musician. Jimmy Page, on the other hand.... IS a Musician first and foremost...... Who happens to hunt 'wild' animals, from time to time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailor86 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Let me see. The South wanted to split from the North in order to protect their freedoms such as the right to own and oppress Africanos as slaves. Mere property. They even designed a flag to display their unmitigated, shameless arrogance towards their way of living their lives. Simple logic tells me that anyone who displays that flag or a version of it wants to be counted in the same boat as said bigots. Now you've got Mr. Nugent coming down to my state of Texas (why the hell was he invited?) for Governor Rick Perry's inauguration. Not only does he carry his big'mouth/big head attitude down here for his "friend" Gov. Perry, he wears a T-shirt displaying the Confederate Flag. What are you, Ted? A kiss-ass. You're from Michigan you phony! Or are you a Southern Rebel trapped in a Yankees body? You are so two-faced! You dodge Vietnam. You take your shit out on harmless wildlife. You name your band the Damn Yankees and then you have the audacity to call yourself a true American after you condone ignorances of the past(slavery). Fuck off! You ain't no role model to anyone I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 More talk about Ted Nugent, less talk about other countries' gun laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonOfDarkness Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 After reading that nauseating post with Ted's lyrics to 'Wango Tango' I'm beginning to think that maybe Ted should have done drugs! Either that or he wrote the lyrics with his cock in one hand and a pen in the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatbo Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 I guess you never read the lyrics to "Squeeze my Lemon"?? Now that's a song with a lot of class. yeah, that robert johnson...sleaze ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzfan715 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 More talk about Ted Nugent, less talk about other countries' gun laws. Great idea! I think Ted Nugent is a pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonOfDarkness Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 I guess you never read the lyrics to "Squeeze my Lemon"?? Now that's a song with a lot of class. Do a listening comparison between the two. A blues song with a little bit of sexual innuendo against a raging hormonal madman who sounds like he's so coked out of his mind that his dick is singing the music for him. I mean come on. 'Lemon Song', or 'Squeeze My Lemon' or 'Traveling Riverside Blues' compared to 'Wango Tango' or the ever popular Nuge classic 'Wang Dang Sweet Poontang'...? Clearly we have a winner here. Don't get me wrong. I'm a fan of some of Ted Nugent's music. 'Paralyzed', 'Stranglehold', 'Dog Eat Dog' he had some screamin' rockers. But that's it. Other than that I find him to be a little bit annoying but hey, that's just Ted Nugent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" should win some kind of award for greatest song title ever. The balls it took to write a song with that title and then sing it every night? Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" should win some kind of award for greatest song title ever. The balls it took to write a song with that title and then sing it every night? Amazing. :lolo: nice actually, for me, the Double Live Gonzo version embodies sex, drugs and rock n roll and please, I'm not comparing it to LZ. It's just a killer face-rockin' tune. And for the bazillionth time, the thread wasn't a comparison between Nugent and Zeppelin. There is no comparison. But Ted had his moments. He's hardly a nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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