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I was serching through the forum and found this in one of the threds: "CODA had to be put out, as it was, but mainly so Jimmy could use the Kabbalistic symbols shown on the album cover in some fashion.

They (the symbols and some of the songs) were planned to be used on a 1980 double-gatefold album that was similiar in plan to Physical Graffitti - but , of course, never saw the light of day sadly. "

Was wondering does anyone know what else may have been planned for zep before bonham's passing?

PG was huge, i wonder in 1980 if that was released, how music would be today? i mean yeah the band had their problems at the time but bonham's passing compleatly wiped them. I bet if they all were well through that period that that album would have been awsome.

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I don't know about "Kabbalistic symbols". I haven't seen anything similar in my Kabbalist books. In fact, besides the Key of Solomon, I don't know the Kabbalah to possess such symbols. Are you talking about the first box set with the crop circles?? Because other than a simple cross, there are no symbols on CODA. As for what may have followed Bonzo's passing, Jimmy said that he felt In Through the Out Door was "soft" and looked forward to the next Zeppelin album being more guitar oriented and harder edged (though I'm not quoting, but that's how I remember it).

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I don't know about "Kabbalistic symbols". I haven't seen anything similar in my Kabbalist books. In fact, besides the Key of Solomon, I don't know the Kabbalah to possess such symbols. Are you talking about the first box set with the crop circles?? Because other than a simple cross, there are no symbols on CODA. As for what may have followed Bonzo's passing, Jimmy said that he felt In Through the Out Door was "soft" and looked forward to the next Zeppelin album being more guitar oriented and harder edged (though I'm not quoting, but that's how I remember it).

Hey Ev,

You are quite correct, in a recent magazine interview* (I'm trying to find it), Jimmy said, "I know at the time we'd played Knebworth, JB & I had decided that we wanted, after ITTOD, to make something hard-hitting and more riff based again".

Hopefully I can find the article soon and post it.

*Guitarist

December 2007

Issue 297

Article by Charles Shaar Murray:

The Rise & Rise of Jimmy Page & Led Zeppelin

The Final Curtain

Pg. 53

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I was serching through the forum and found this in one of the threds: "CODA had to be put out, as it was, but mainly so Jimmy could use the Kabbalistic symbols shown on the album cover in some fashion.

They (the symbols and some of the songs) were planned to be used on a 1980 double-gatefold album that was similiar in plan to Physical Graffitti - but , of course, never saw the light of day sadly. "

Was wondering does anyone know what else may have been planned for zep before bonham's passing?

PG was huge, i wonder in 1980 if that was released, how music would be today? i mean yeah the band had their problems at the time but bonham's passing compleatly wiped them. I bet if they all were well through that period that that album would have been awsome.

This is the first I've heard of... well just about all of what you said. I doubt it's true.

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Was wondering does anyone know what else may have been planned for zep before bonham's passing?

To my understanding, CODA wasn't thought of before Bonzo's death; it was an afterthought for fans to enjoy tracks that didn't make the old albums because new albums would never be released again.

In the liner notes of the 1990 box set, Jimmy did refer to ITTODoor as "a springboard for what could have been." That speaks volumes about [his] plans for the band's future.

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Well first off the quote stated above is not mine i found in it one of the forums in this thread.

Im my eyes ITTOD was one of their best albums, I loved 1 , 2 and ITTOD the most, But every album they made was fin awsome.

I think if they had been able to keep jamming we'd have so many more hits to groove to. Lets just hope that if they tour that jimmy might use some of the stuff he had planned for the band back in the 80s to release. i would love to see em pick up where they left off. Or atleast revamped versions of what they had planned for the band.

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This is the first I've heard of... well just about all of what you said. I doubt it's true.

I LOVE it when someone personally hasn't heard of something and then, in a thrall of self-import, says that its truth is doubtful! Yahhooo.

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I LOVE it when someone personally hasn't heard of something and then, in a thrall of self-import, says that its truth is doubtful! Yahhooo.

i agree. people should put up or shut up, eh?

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I LOVE it when someone personally hasn't heard of something and then, in a thrall of self-import, says that its truth is doubtful! Yahhooo.

Given the amount of Zeppelin material I've gone through, it is not likely that this 'quote' that the author has not sourced nor takes responsibility for is anything other than an invention of his own mind. Even if he really did not invent it himself, it's most certainly an invention of someone else. Given some of the other things he said about Coda and late seventies/early eighties Zeppelin, it's clear that he has no idea what he's talking about.

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I LOVE it when someone personally hasn't heard of something and then, in a thrall of self-import, says that its truth is doubtful! Yahhooo.

After searching the forum I found the thread in question. It explains so much, like why you defend this made up idea.

You proposed that there was a plan to make a double album in 1980. And anyone with a brain analyzed it and saw it did not make sense, as well as noting that this claim was backed up NO WHERE.

This really doesn't make any sense. When Bonham died they were rehearsing for the 1980 North American tour with ITTOD recently released. So, while their touring they're going to release a "20 some-odd song" album with only three songs in the can, where are the other 17 songs gonna come from? How could they possibly do a tour and record and release a double album at the same time?

Answer: no way in hell

I have never seen any evidence to suggest a double album was ever planned. If so you'd think they'd have returned to the studio following the release of ITTOD, but no.

They were just satisfied having Robert back in the fold. The level of ambition was low.

Then they pointed out other inaccuracies in your claim:

CODA was released to fulfill their recording contract obligation with Atlantic Records.

As far as the double album goes, I'm surprised that no one from the time remembers some of the press that had leaked about this project. What I remember was that it was to be a double or triple fold-out type cover with some serious art work by an obscure artist that Jimmy and Robert knew of. The album was to incorporate un-released and new songs (like Physical Graffitti) and would be 20 or more songs.

The project even had some record company "code name" at the time due to the importance of its release because, as stated here earlier, record sales were dropping like flies on morphine.

The execs knew that a MAJOR Zeppelin release and Tour of the U.S., albeit a short one as SAJ states, would single-handedly pull serious cash flow into Atlantic Records. No one was buying into the punk scene - but the punks themselves, who hated anything to do with record companys or suits. Underground releases were becoming huge and of course there was no money being filtered down to the Record Co.s hands - everyone was panicking about punk and rebellion music.

However, Ahmet and the Zep had a plan.

How about you back up ANY of this information. I have found nothing, and neither have the other forum members who have called shenanigans on you.

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I was serching through the forum and found this in one of the threds: "CODA had to be put out, as it was, but mainly so Jimmy could use the Kabbalistic symbols shown on the album cover in some fashion.

here is an ebay photo of a coda promo poster, showing the design on the back cover:

coda photo

sleeve design was by hipgnosis. very good article on that firm, designers and ideas in a late 1998 issue of mojo magazine. storm thorgerson, especially. no mention of the demands by jimmy page to shoehorn kabbalistic symbols onto the outside cover or the inside montage (unless the decidely jewish occult theme of page using a guitar for a cricket bat can be included). the nine and a portion photo of discs on the back cover of course may be interpreted in a myriad of ways:

1. lillypads for the evil oilfrogs.

2. a water sanitation system for frodo and his happy band of pissers.

3. sex magik sleeping bags.

4. dartboards for poor tossers from the land of the leaping gnomes.

5. photo negatives of mel gibsons' personal crop circles (no possible kabbalah refences here because we all know how mel feels about his hebrew brethren.)

here is storm's website:

http://www.stormthorgerson.com

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Given the amount of Zeppelin material I've gone through, it is not likely that this 'quote' that the author has not sourced nor takes responsibility for is anything other than an invention of his own mind. Even if he really did not invent it himself, it's most certainly an invention of someone else. Given some of the other things he said about Coda and late seventies/early eighties Zeppelin, it's clear that he has no idea what he's talking about.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you - it's meaningless because you're obviously the world's foremost professor of Zeppelin blah-blah-blah.

There's no convincing someone whose own image is so greatly pronounced.

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I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you - it's meaningless because you're obviously the world's foremost professor of Zeppelin blah-blah-blah.

There's no convincing someone whose own image is so greatly pronounced.

So your not going to provide evidence then? Can you just admit you're a fraud and get it over with?

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yes, actually i do...thank you for helping me - you ARE a goddess!

If you're going to make jabs, perhaps you should come up with something better than gender-swapping. This forum is not the place for your sandbox politics.

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If you're going to make jabs, perhaps you should come up with something better than gender-swapping. This forum is not the place for your sandbox politics.

GENDER-SWAPPING! OOOPPS - MY BAD! I thought you were someone else....I apologize dude!

Wow, i didn't know - sorry , i was mis-informed.

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I still find it laughable that anything on CODA's cover could be interpreted as "Kabbalistic symbols". I don't claim to be the be-all end-all Zep officianado, but I do know the Kabbalah sufficiently to say there's nothing remotely resembling Kabbalistic imagery on CODA's cover. That's just a fact. On the front, a bi-sected line supporting the band's name. On the back, a photo of some irrigation circles that could be interpreted to resemble vinyl records. Ooooo! Cryptic! Wherever did I leave my decoder ring?? :rolleyes:

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I still find it laughable that anything on CODA's cover could be interpreted as "Kabbalistic symbols". I don't claim to be the be-all end-all Zep officianado, but I do know the Kabbalah sufficiently to say there's nothing remotely resembling Kabbalistic imagery on CODA's cover. That's just a fact. On the front, a bi-sected line supporting the band's name. On the back, a photo of some irrigation circles that could be interpreted to resemble vinyl records. Ooooo! Cryptic! Wherever did I leave my decoder ring?? :rolleyes:

It's probably still in your Crack-A-Jack box? :rolleyes:

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Oh snap! There it is, right behind the Kraft Mac & Cheese!! Thanks Reg!! :D

I've got their number now! :lol:

Don't worry Ev I've just emailed Robert Langdon and he's on the case!

Actually, the picture on the back cover is of my old vinyl collection, scratches and all.

I wonder how they got that?

Oh I know. Jimmy being the sorcerer he is, just conjured it up! B)

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