JimmyPageLover Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 ok has enyone heard the unused track "Sugar Mama" ? well i have and it is an AMAZING song ( but everything from zep is amazing anyways ) i just rly wanna kno why led zep didn't actually use the track? cuz it's rly good!! they should have put it on coda at least..... it has a rly good riff too here's the link if you haven't heard it yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdh Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 First off, type like you are talking here, not if you are texting or im'ing. It was not used because at that time the song was considered a "slight retread" of previous material and the band was going forward past that sort of song structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedog Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 ok has enyone heard the unused track "Sugar Mama" ? well i have and it is an AMAZING song ( but everything from zep is amazing anyways ) i just rly wanna kno why led zep didn't actually use the track? cuz it's rly good!! they should have put it on coda at least..... it has a rly good riff too here's the link if you haven't heard it yet Oh yeah one of my top 10 songs,I JUST LOVE THAT GROOVE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandown Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 i just rly wanna kno why led zep didn't actually use the track? Because it's vastly inferior to everything else they recorded. It sounds like a half-finished idea that they decided to record when they had a few extra minutes at the end of a session. The lyrics sound like they were written on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvana Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Because it's vastly inferior to everything else they recorded. It sounds like a half-finished idea that they decided to record when they had a few extra minutes at the end of a session. The lyrics sound like they were written on the spot. No worse however than Darlene or Ozone Baby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedog Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 No worse however than Darlene or Ozone Baby... Could you imagine if they re-recorded it during the 70's or even for 'out door' it would have just killed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mos6507 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 It's a little repetitive but there definitely is something good there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagfarmer Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 It's a little repetitive but there definitely is something good there. I agree does anybody have any more information on Sugar Mama , year of recording and is it a original song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheLedOut Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 I agree does anybody have any more information on Sugar Mama , year of recording and is it a original song? It was recorded in June 1969 at Morgan Studios for the Led Zeppelin II album. It is a cover of a Sonny Boy Williamson song, which is why it wasn't on the album (typically when they cover someone they change the name or do something so they can add their names to the credits). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 its rubbish thats why! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 ok has enyone heard the unused track "Sugar Mama" ? well i have and it is an AMAZING song ( but everything from zep is amazing anyways ) i just rly wanna kno why led zep didn't actually use the track? cuz it's rly good!! they should have put it on coda at least..... it has a rly good riff too here's the link if you haven't heard it yet This song reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiL1sjGIcew. Sugar mama, sugar mama, sugar mama, Where you been? Sugar mama, sugar mama, sugar mama, Where you been? Sugar mama! Say you love me sugar mama Ill never let you go Sugar mama, sugar mama, sugar mama, Love you babe Sugar mama, sugar mama, sugar mama, Drive me insane Sugar mama gonna love you all I can Say you love me sugar mama Ill never let you go Say you love me sugar mama Ill never let you go Say you love me sugar mama Ill never let you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandown Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 It was recorded in June 1969 at Morgan Studios for the Led Zeppelin II album. It is a cover of a Sonny Boy Williamson song No, it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 No, it isn't. You're right; Sonny Boy Williamson's lyrics are different. Sugar mama, sugar mama Sugar mama please come back to me Sugar mama, sugar mama Sugar mama please come back to me Bring me my 'gradulated' sugar Sugar mam, an try to ease my misery You've got this new grade of sugar Sugar mama, an you done made me love it, too You've got this new grade of sugar Sugar mama, an you done made me love it, too You've got this 'gradulated' sugar Sugar mama, ain't nobody else got, but you They been braggin' 'bout your sugar Sugar mama, been braggin' all ov'r town They been braggin' 'bout your sugar Sugar mama, braggin' all ov'r town Now, the boot-leggers want you to sell 'em enough to make whiskey But you won't sell 'em about four or five pounds I like my coffee sweet in the mornin' You know, an I'm crazy 'bout my tea at night An I like my coffee sweet in the mornin' You know, an I'm crazy 'bout my tea at night Don't give me my sugar three times a day Oh, Lord, then I an feel right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheLedOut Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 No, it isn't. You're right; Sonny Boy Williamson's lyrics are different. It is, however Zeppelin (most likely Plant) have shown a tendency to change the original lyrics (Travelling Riverside Blues). At any rate, my source for this information is Nigel Williamson's book "THE ROUGH GUIDE to Led Zeppelin." It came out in late 2007. Here is the direct quote: Sugar Mama A cover of a Sonny Boy Williamson song recorded in June 1969 at Morgan Studios for Led Zeppelin II but not included on the album. "Where you been? Sugar mama! Say you love me sugar mama, I'll never let you go!", Plant wails in fine form. The track can be found on the bootleg CD Alternative Coda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Here is a version of Sonny Boy Williamson's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3RBb-tSs2E, and it sounds lyrically and musically different from Led Zeppelin's song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheLedOut Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Here is a version of Sonny Boy Williamson's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3RBb-tSs2E, and it sounds lyrically and musically different from Led Zeppelin's song. That may be so, but that doesn't mean it didn't originate from Sonny Boy Williamson's song. Travelling Riverside Blues doesn't really sound like the Robert Johnson original, nor does it have the same lyrics, but it's still considered a cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 First off, type like you are talking here, not if you are texting or im'ing. Are you the moderator? Cuz I always like to know who not to piss off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandown Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 That may be so, but that doesn't mean it didn't originate from Sonny Boy Williamson's song. Nor does it mean that it did originate from Williamson's song. And BTW, this is John Lee Williamson we're talking about here, not the Sonny Boy who was the inspiration for other Zep covers. Travelling Riverside Blues doesn't really sound like the Robert Johnson original, nor does it have the same lyrics, but it's still considered a cover. It's considered a cover because most of the lyrics were written by Robert Johnson. The same can't be said for Zep's "Sugar Mama". There were half a dozen blues songs with "Sugar Mama" in the title or lyrics -- how do you know that Zep's song wasn't inspired by one of those other songs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheLedOut Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Nor does it mean that it did originate from Williamson's song. And BTW, this is John Lee Williamson we're talking about here, not the Sonny Boy who was the inspiration for other Zep covers. It's considered a cover because most of the lyrics were written by Robert Johnson. The same can't be said for Zep's "Sugar Mama". There were half a dozen blues songs with "Sugar Mama" in the title or lyrics -- how do you know that Zep's song wasn't inspired by one of those other songs? Because Nigel Williamson is an extremely reliable source on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Sugar Mama is a commonly used song title; the lyrics may vary from song to song. Beyonce has a song called Sugar Mama that is more current. It's safe to say the lyrics are decidedly different in her song. For those unfamiliar with American candy, the original Jolly Rancher is a brand of hard bar-shaped candy that is meant to be sucked; if you bite the candy it will stick to your mouth. It comes in many flavors, some of which are cherry, sour apple, and watermelon. With it's popularity over the years it expanded into softer varieties such as gummies and jelly beans also. And of course, many of us are familiar with waffle cones. I'ma be like a jolly rancher that you get from the corner store I'ma be like a waffle cone that's dripping down to the floor And BTW, this is John Lee Williamson we're talking about here, not the Sonny Boy who was the inspiration for other Zep covers. Oh, so it came from the other Williamson. You gotta watch those Williamsons as they can get to be a little confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Hopper Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 I know it's on the alt. coda bootleg and they played it live here and there. Some boot live cd's have it if you can find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandown Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Because Nigel Williamson is an extremely reliable source on the matter. So am I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheLedOut Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 So am I. Well I'm glad you think so, but I'll go with Nigel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPageLover Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 oooo kay...thx ppl! you've been helpful awesome song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandown Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Well I'm glad you think so, but I'll go with Nigel. Stephen Davis would be proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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