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Note the question that they were asked, Helen. The comment obviously doesn't just intend TSTRS, but LZ live. Of course back in 1994 TSRTS was still the only available official release of LZ live.

I just took him to be saying that the last time they released material it didn't turn out well (in his opinion, naturally), so he didn't want to do it again. You could even interpret it as protecting the Zeppelin legacy, at a push. But of course that's only my interpretation, without the rest of the context.

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Uh, no. The most revoltingly disrespectful thing to be read on this website is the constant ramblings of a mental case who has taken some beautiful music and watered it down to a pseudo religion/soap opera, starring one of his friends as the lady from STH.

The only response I have for you is I have compassion for you and don`t keep going out of your way to make remarks after all my posting . The apparent processing capacity of your IQ becomes over exposed.

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I wouldn't get into an IQ war, if I were you, Place.

The rest of the interview only confirms my interpretation. He concedes LZ live 'was great playingwise' as he puts it, but that's all. It's basically 'old bollocks' by 1994. :rolleyes:

By the way, the interview can be found in Mojo, December 1994. B)

Well, as I don't have the interview I'll take your word for it, but based just on the extract you posted, he seemed to be talking about the quality of the releases, not the quality of the band. It certainly hasn't been his opinion of the band in general. Though I'd allow he has expressed frustration with journalists occasionally that may come across that way, as lzfan (I think) said above.

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The only response I have for you is I have compassion for you and don`t keep going out of your way to make remarks after all my posting . The apparent processing capacity of your IQ becomes over exposed.

Yes, you are right. I'm not IN THE KNOW ;) For it is not enough that I have been grooving out on their music for 25 years ....no, there has to be a SPECIFIC MEANING. Right? Something very literal and highly disturbing.

I'm not going out of my way at all. When I see a nutjob with a dangerous obsession...and what appears, time and again, to be an actual belief that Alison Krauss is some sort of Yoko Ono on steroids trying to fuck up your ridiculous STH "prophesy".......I can't ignore it because it is so incredibly twisted.

Sorry, Lajoie. That's the way it goes. My compassion stops at sociopaths.

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Yes, you are right. I'm not IN THE KNOW ;) For it is not enough that I have been grooving out on their music for 25 years ....no, there has to be a SPECIFIC MEANING. Right? Something very literal and highly disturbing.

I'm not going out of my way at all. When I see a nutjob with a dangerous obsession...and what appears, time and again, to be an actual belief that Alison Krauss is some sort of Yoko Ono on steroids trying to fuck up your ridiculous STH "prophesy".......I can't ignore it because it is so incredibly twisted.

Sorry, Lajoie. That's the way it goes. My compassion stops at sociopaths.

My name is not Lajoie.

My welsh is limited but here is something Robert Plant once said "En wog yth Wnair, Gair Gydd bwyll , Armes, Telynores Twyll" I may be wrong ,I do think it has something to do with becoming famous, a woman & prophesy . Ask Robert before you work yourself up in such an hostile rage of disturb-ness .You are delusional .For the record I`ve haven`t termed Alison as anything you have implicated. The Yoko comments have been happening by plenty of LED ZEPPELIN fans at various places online,as well as some press prior to their 02 Dec.10,07 performance .If you can not restrain yourself and refrain from obsessively harassing as a menace ,after my post to make distorted,irrational& False statements your just making it evident your reasoning is off. As for songs having meanings well I would hope they certainly do have some form of coherent structure.

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My name is not Lajoie.

My welsh is limited but here is something Robert Plant once said "En wog yth Wnair, Gair Gydd bwyll , Armes, Telynores Twyll" I may be wrong ,I do think it has something to do with becoming famous, a woman & prophesy . Ask Robert before you work yourself up in such an hostile rage of disturb-ness .You are delusional .For the record I`ve haven`t termed Alison as anything you have implicated. The Yoko comments have been happening by plenty of LED ZEPPELIN fans at various places online,as well as some press prior to their 02 Dec.10,07 performance .If you can not restrain yourself and refrain from obsessively harassing as a menace ,after my post to make distorted,irrational& False statements your just making it evident your reasoning is off. As for songs having meanings well I would hope they certainly do have some form of coherent structure.

Well, not NOW, no.

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If I remember right, Page and JPJ were already established studio musicians before Page ever asked Plant to join him. Page also had success with the Yardbirds. If Page had never asked Plant to be his singer, there is a good chance that we would not be having this discussion right now because you probably would have never even heard of him. I agree that Page would not have had as much success without Plant but he was already established. Plant is very lucky that Page found him. Yes there teaming up created the greatest rock music of all time, but Page always was and still is the genius behind LZ. The music (mostly written by Page) of LZ is a lot more important than Plants flowery lyrics. Yes, plant had the "voice" that blended great, and the rest is rock and roll history, but if it were not for Plants fame that he achieved from LZ (Page) he would not now have the leverage to float around from one music genre to the next.........making "Himself" happy. There is nothing wrong with many fans like myself speaking up and saying that while Plant has the right to do what ever he wants to, we have the right to say that we think that there are many times that he needs to get over "Himself". Go back and listen to Yallah, it all went downhill from there.

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If I remember right, Page and JPJ were already established studio musicians before Page ever asked Plant to join him. Page also had success with the Yardbirds. If Page had never asked Plant to be his singer, there is a good chance that we would not be having this discussion right now because you probably would have never even heard of him. I agree that Page would not have had as much success without Plant but he was already established. Plant is very lucky that Page found him. Yes there teaming up created the greatest rock music of all time, but Page always was and still is the genius behind LZ. The music (mostly written by Page) of LZ is a lot more important than Plants flowery lyrics. Yes, plant had the "voice" that blended great, and the rest is rock and roll history, but if it were not for Plants fame that he achieved from LZ (Page) he would not now have the leverage to float around from one music genre to the next.........making "Himself" happy. There is nothing wrong with many fans like myself speaking up and saying that while Plant has the right to do what ever he wants to, we have the right to say that we think that there are many times that he needs to get over "Himself". Go back and listen to Yallah, it all went downhill from there.

Hello scs! As I said above, there is no way that someone with that voice would not have been successful in another band or as a solo singer--after all, we agree he is the greatest rock singer ever, yes? I was around when LZ first appeared on the scene--that voice was instantly unmistakable, and would have been whatever band he'd been in. (I like Yallah, btw, I remember saying so the last time we had this conversation when you were in a different incarnation. :D) But yes, we've all got the right to speak up, very true.

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My friend Aquamarine, Im glad someone likes Yallah. Yes, Plant is the greatest Rock singer of all time............ singing LZ that is. Cant we agree that while he has the best Rock voice, because of Page's musical genius is the reason that he became the mega star that he is? Do you really think that if he had hooked up with anyone other then Page during the LZ time period he would have been even a third as big a star? Come on now, be honest. And I do realize that the JPJ and Bonhan were important too, but I am talking about Plant with or without Page.

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My name is not Lajoie.

My welsh is limited but here is something Robert Plant once said "En wog yth Wnair, Gair Gydd bwyll , Armes, Telynores Twyll" I may be wrong ,I do think it has something to do with becoming famous, a woman & prophesy . Ask Robert before you work yourself up in such an hostile rage of disturb-ness .You are delusional .For the record I`ve haven`t termed Alison as anything you have implicated. The Yoko comments have been happening by plenty of LED ZEPPELIN fans at various places online,as well as some press prior to their 02 Dec.10,07 performance .If you can not restrain yourself and refrain from obsessively harassing as a menace ,after my post to make distorted,irrational& False statements your just making it evident your reasoning is off. As for songs having meanings well I would hope they certainly do have some form of coherent structure.

Must be an incredible coincidence you post exactly the same stuff lajoie did...oh well minus 30 colored paragraphs :rolleyes:

To comment on your post below about Jimmy basically being the genius behind Zep and Robert owes him everything blah blah - Jimmy may have had the concept of what he envisioned Zep to be but they wouldn't be Zep the way we know them without John Bonham, John Paul Jones and Robert Plant. They ALL were the geniuses. If they didn't feel that way, they'd likely have replaced Bonzo when he passed.

Robert had started gaining notoriety when Jimmy saw him at the Teacher's College. My guess is he'd have been successful regardless. He was (and is) incredibly talented and sooner or later, had Jimmy not wanted to work with him, someone else would have.

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My friend Aquamarine, Im glad someone likes Yallah. Yes, Plant is the greatest Rock singer of all time............ singing LZ that is. Cant we agree that while he has the best Rock voice, because of Page's musical genius is the reason that he became the mega star that he is? Do you really think that if he had hooked up with anyone other then Page during the LZ time period he would have been even a third as big a star? Come on now, be honest. And I do realize that the JPJ and Bonhan were important too, but I am talking about Plant with or without Page.

Mmmm . . . no. Because for one thing, since there were lots of other musical geniuses around then, who knows how his career might have turned out if he'd hooked up with one or more of them? Remember, some of them were people who aren't well-known now, but might have been if they'd been in a band with the asset of that voice. Of course, like everybody else, I'm glad it was Page, plus JPJ and his friend Bonzo (who he might well have ended up with anyway, if he hadn't hooked up with Jimmy) that he connected with, because that was the best of all possible combinations, but he'd have been a huge star in the rock world whoever he worked with. :)

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I just wish that Page, JPJ, and Jason would hook up with Chris Robinson and be done with it. Page/Crows was GREAT!!!!!! Let Plant do his own thing, I'm fine with that. Chris sang with incredible heart when he was with Page. And I know that he is no Plant, but he is better then a Plant that's off "In who knows where - ville".

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I just wish that Page, JPJ, and Jason would hook up with Chris Robinson and be done with it. Page/Crows was GREAT!!!!!! Let Plant do his own thing, I'm fine with that. Chris sang with incredible heart when he was with Page. And I know that he is no Plant, but he is better then a Plant that's off "In who knows where - ville".

Somebody please change that record!

So you want him in your world then!?

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Hello scs! As I said above, there is no way that someone with that voice would not have been successful in another band or as a solo singer--after all, we agree he is the greatest rock singer ever, yes? I was around when LZ first appeared on the scene--that voice was instantly unmistakable, and would have been whatever band he'd been in. (I like Yallah, btw, I remember saying so the last time we had this conversation when you were in a different incarnation. :D) But yes, we've all got the right to speak up, very true.

What you have said is correct ;BUT lots of jimmy and jpj music was written around "extracting" the true potential out of Roberts vocal range (for example :the guitar and vocal hitting the same notes and call and respond )If it wasn't for jimmy's knowledge as a studio /sound producer maybe Robert would have been possibly in a band like acdc or something along those lines but at the end of the day it took ;experienced people to "throw" him into the public domain;with the right "protection "(meaning peter grant )to keep him out of harms way (so to speak)In the early seventies there would have been lots of potential for over exposer and Drugs and other vices could have been harmful without the knowledge of the management and guidance of jimmy and jpj with there already years of experience.

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Maybe someday Alison`s son will have a real Mother. Mtv `s" Rock the Cradle" each and every one of those Musicians Kids said they NEVER got to see their parents. They were Always away with their music .Alison is giving all her time to Robert Plants NEW thing her son gets zero,considering she has had back to back Union station(which I love) Tour last year,now all year hitting long & hard so desperately to promote Raising Sand .NO, she & Robert are very very wrong and selfish . Sacrificing her son is not needed . The World can live harmoniously with out another collaborative project from Alison & Robert .

What a pretentious post, you have proof that her son gets zero do you?

How many musicians/movie stars/politicians/everyday working people spend all their other waking time with their kids? When or if you have kids, you wil take them towork with you so that they have contact all the time ? No you won't.

How do you know her son isn't with her during this tour?

How is Robert selfish? I have seen his son Jess at the side of the stage at Strange Sensations shows and in the support band at one show and no doubt he's been to the RP/AK shows too. His kids are very important to him and I bet Alisons son is too.

You can't say that she is definitiely sacrificing her child. You don't know what arrangements are in place for them.

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What you have said is correct ;BUT lots of jimmy and jpj music was written around "extracting" the true potential out of Roberts vocal range (for example :the guitar and vocal hitting the same notes and call and respond )If it wasn't for jimmy's knowledge as a studio /sound producer maybe Robert would have been possibly in a band like acdc or something along those lines but at the end of the day it took ;experienced people to "throw" him into the public domain;with the right "protection "(meaning peter grant )to keep him out of harms way (so to speak)In the early seventies there would have been lots of potential for over exposer and Drugs and other vices could have been harmful without the knowledge of the management and guidance of jimmy and jpj with there already years of experience.

Its simple.

Without Plant zeppelin would not have been the Zeppelin we all love.

Without Plant there would have been no John Bonham in the band.

Without Plant Jimmy would not have had the vocal/musical foil he had.

Without Plant the music would have not evolved in the way it did and we would not have such wonderful songs to listen to.

As for your statement about protection it is a naive one really cos the band members and PG indulged in substance use in the early 70's and sadly beyond in Jimmys case. Bonzo died dut to drinking too much vodka.

Perhaps you need to read abit more about the band before you make such statements.

I believe that Plant would have gone on to great things but perhaps no greater than what he achieved in Zep, the same could be said for Jimmy if he hadn't had the others around him.

We diont know how the band would have been if there had been no JPJ or Bonzo either.

All this Plant bashing is unbecoming on an official Led Zep forum.

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All this Plant bashing is unbecoming on an official Led Zep forum.

Its not bashing. Many Plant fans have been fine with him doing his own thing for 28 years now. However, Page is back, playing with conviction. JPJ is ready and always sounds good. Jason is fired up and ready to go. Then there is the usual non commital, tempermental Plant, like always.....there....to throw water on the fire. I think that what you are seeing is not Plant bashing, but Plant and LZ fans that are finally getting very tired of Plants antics. There is not a better place then here to let Plant know how many fans feel. You would think that after 28 years of his fans supporting him in his many "Projects", he would care a little more. But like most superstars, rather it be music or sports always seem to put themselves first. In Plants case, you would think that 28 years would be long enough.

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What a pretentious post, you have proof that her son gets zero do you?

How many musicians/movie stars/politicians/everyday working people spend all their other waking time with their kids? When or if you have kids, you wil take them towork with you so that they have contact all the time ? No you won't.

How do you know her son isn't with her during this tour?

How is Robert selfish? I have seen his son Jess at the side of the stage at Strange Sensations shows and in the support band at one show and no doubt he's been to the RP/AK shows too. His kids are very important to him and I bet Alisons son is too.

You can't say that she is definitiely sacrificing her child. You don't know what arrangements are in place for them.

Her son Sam traditionally tours with her and so does a tutor for his schooling. And before Eternal Light jumps my S####, no I did not see Sam anywhere at the two shows I attended. But that has been the arrangement in the past for Union Station tours.

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I don't see where we disagree. He doesn't want to tour for the sake of touring, who would? But he's touring right now to support a new project he's enthusiastic about, and he's open to doing the Zeppelin thing when there's another good reason, like the Ahmet tribute. (And he kept up just fine with JJJ at the O2, seemed to me.) Well, I don't see any disrespect at all, I guess that's where we disagree. But, as you say, people's views vary, and those are just mine. I love Zeppelin too.

The music, past present and future, seems like a good reason in my book. I'd add "but that's just me," except I know I'm not alone.

I don't want him to tour for the sake of touring. I want him to tour with Zeppelin because I love their music, their LIVE PERFORMANCES, which are not and never have been "touring for the sake of touring."

I also think it's disrespectful of him to imply that Jimmy and the others would only be "touring for the sake of touring" too.

That does it, who does he think he is? He talks like that and I have to behave myself? And I try so hard.

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More like, he talks like that and still we're schooled on how much he "respects" Led Zeppelin?

Pardon me for saying it, but, Led Zeppelin's music is not masturbation towards a cheap one off cum. Ya know?

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Its not bashing. Many Plant fans have been fine with him doing his own thing for 28 years now. However, Page is back, playing with conviction. JPJ is ready and always sounds good. Jason is fired up and ready to go. Then there is the usual non commital, tempermental Plant, like always.....there....to throw water on the fire. I think that what you are seeing is not Plant bashing, but Plant and LZ fans that are finally getting very tired of Plants antics. There is not a better place then here to let Plant know how many fans feel. You would think that after 28 years of his fans supporting him in his many "Projects", he would care a little more. But like most superstars, rather it be music or sports always seem to put themselves first. In Plants case, you would think that 28 years would be long enough.

Time marches on and things change. The biggest change is Roberts voice. He can sing beautifully right now in the project he is in, but to take on Zeppelin is just to much for him. Lets face it, he cannot sing night, after night the way he did at the 02. His vocal capabilities cannot match up to the rigors of Zep material the way the songs are originally intended. He knows it, and anyone who thinks it is not a factor is BS'ing themselves. That being said, and understanding he can't, and doesn't want to sing that way anymore, you'd think a chance at new material that Jimmy supposedly has in the waiting would excite him. This would give him the opportunity to sing within his range, put out new material, and a possible tour. A very tempting idea you'd think. Now we wait and see.

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Its simple.

Without Plant zeppelin would not have been the Zeppelin we all love.

Without Plant there would have been no John Bonham in the band.

Without Plant Jimmy would not have had the vocal/musical foil he had.

Without Plant the music would have not evolved in the way it did and we would not have such wonderful songs to listen to.

As for your statement about protection it is a naive one really cos the band members and PG indulged in substance use in the early 70's and sadly beyond in Jimmys case. Bonzo died dut to drinking too much vodka.

Perhaps you need to read abit more about the band before you make such statements.

I believe that Plant would have gone on to great things but perhaps no greater than what he achieved in Zep, the same could be said for Jimmy if he hadn't had the others around him.

We diont know how the band would have been if there had been no JPJ or Bonzo either.

All this Plant bashing is unbecoming on an official Led Zep forum.

It is simple.

We are frustrated that without Plant there is no Zeppelin.

Without Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones, John Bonham would never have reached the heights he did. Can't speak for John, may he RIP, but I'd like to think he'd take the old balloon out for another spin. Do know that Jason would work with those men again "in a heartbeat."

Without Jimmy, Plant would not have had the vocal/musical foil he did. He's only now, after 30 + years, rekindled a similar relationship with Alison Kruas (which is striking FOR it's similarities: appreciation for all sorts of roots music, a stunning talent to work against, a nice chemistry between them, hell, even a bow...)

Without Jimmy, Jonesy and Bonham, Robert Plant might still be cribbing lyrics from old delta bluesmen, and all the music (including his solo work) would have not evolved in the way it did, and we would not have such wonderful songs to listen to.

I believe that Page had already done great things and would have continued to, but perhaps no greater than what he achieved in Zep. At least he knows it and seems happy and grateful he had that rare opportunity.

It's not bashing Plant to discuss his more silly, offensive statements. I wish he'd stop making them.

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Its not bashing. Many Plant fans have been fine with him doing his own thing for 28 years now. However, Page is back, playing with conviction. JPJ is ready and always sounds good. Jason is fired up and ready to go. Then there is the usual non commital, tempermental Plant, like always.....there....to throw water on the fire. I think that what you are seeing is not Plant bashing, but Plant and LZ fans that are finally getting very tired of Plants antics. There is not a better place then here to let Plant know how many fans feel. You would think that after 28 years of his fans supporting him in his many "Projects", he would care a little more. But like most superstars, rather it be music or sports always seem to put themselves first. In Plants case, you would think that 28 years would be long enough.

It is bashing when a good lot of the posts here have been lambasting Plant for what he is choosing to do (er, isn't it HIS life? Would you want some strangers telling YOU what you should do with your career?). I'm happy Page is back again. He should get out there in play. But why does his only choice have to be as Zep. Nothing is stopping him from assembling other musicians and having a go of it.

I think if Robert read all these comments, he'd be insulted. What he would care about is if his fans understood his choices and supported them rather than saying he's shit without Jimmy. Simply not true (and I'm a huge Zep fan and love what they have done together before I get called a Plant Worshipper). He's worked really hard to build a career on his own. This is not to say he wasn't proud of Zep but when they ended, in his mind it was over and he wanted to move onto other things. He owes us nothing. He's given us so much, more than we could have asked for. It's sad to think his FANS (some of them) just "tolerate" his solo work until he gets back with Jimmy.

It is simple.

We are frustrated that without Plant there is no Zeppelin.

Without Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones, John Bonham would never have reached the heights he did. Can't speak for John, may he RIP, but I'd like to think he'd take the old balloon out for another spin. Do know that Jason would work with those men again "in a heartbeat."

Without Jimmy, Plant would not have had the vocal/musical foil he did. He's only now, after 30 + years, rekindled a similar relationship with Alison Kruas (which is striking FOR it's similarities: appreciation for all sorts of roots music, a stunning talent to work against, a nice chemistry between them, hell, even a bow...)

Without Jimmy, Jonesy and Bonham, Robert Plant might still be cribbing lyrics from old delta bluesmen, and all the music (including his solo work) would have not evolved in the way it did, and we would not have such wonderful songs to listen to.

I believe that Page had already done great things and would have continued to, but perhaps no greater than what he achieved in Zep. At least he knows it and seems happy and grateful he had that rare opportunity.

It's not bashing Plant to discuss his more silly, offensive statements. I wish he'd stop making them.

I can accept wishing to see the guys together again. I think the 02 show proved they still have the chemistry etc. and it's not that it won't ever happen, but for Robert, it has to be the right reasons. End of story. Yes Robert's fame came from his partnership with JP/JPJ and JB but that's how fate went. Had Jimmy not gone to see him, he'd have made it someplace else. That point in history there was a huge hotbed of talent around. Believe me, Robert would have found success.

As far as Plant's comments, it's his sense of humour which I think many people miss but further to that, put yourself in his shoes a moment. Since 1982 when he released his first solo album, right up to 2008 how many times he's asked questions about Zep and reforming etc. It's in almost every interview. How would you feel promoting something current and you get asked the SAME questions about the past.

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It is bashing when a good lot of the posts here have been lambasting Plant for what he is choosing to do (er, isn't it HIS life? Would you want some strangers telling YOU what you should do with your career?). I'm happy Page is back again. He should get out there in play. But why does his only choice have to be as Zep. Nothing is stopping him from assembling other musicians and having a go of it.

I think if Robert read all these comments, he'd be insulted. What he would care about is if his fans understood his choices and supported them rather than saying he's shit without Jimmy. Simply not true (and I'm a huge Zep fan and love what they have done together before I get called a Plant Worshipper). He's worked really hard to build a career on his own. This is not to say he wasn't proud of Zep but when they ended, in his mind it was over and he wanted to move onto other things. He owes us nothing. He's given us so much, more than we could have asked for. It's sad to think his FANS (some of them) just "tolerate" his solo work until he gets back with Jimmy.

I can accept wishing to see the guys together again. I think the 02 show proved they still have the chemistry etc. and it's not that it won't ever happen, but for Robert, it has to be the right reasons. End of story. Yes Robert's fame came from his partnership with JP/JPJ and JB but that's how fate went. Had Jimmy not gone to see him, he'd have made it someplace else. That point in history there was a huge hotbed of talent around. Believe me, Robert would have found success.

As far as Plant's comments, it's his sense of humour which I think many people miss but further to that, put yourself in his shoes a moment. Since 1982 when he released his first solo album, right up to 2008 how many times he's asked questions about Zep and reforming etc. It's in almost every interview. How would you feel promoting something current and you get asked the SAME questions about the past.

I do not think he is shit without Jimmy. I think he is better with Jimmy than without. As you say, the O2 performance proved it, once again.

Perhaps there is love in Page's actions towards Mr. Plant? I'm with you on that score, though. Of course I'd put it differently - it's time to give the ungrateful little lion a pat on the head and move on. One can keep the door open in the meantime; I see the wonder of devotion...

Plant's "current" project includes a huge number of old songs, including Zeppelin songs.

He loves himself some pretty old shit, too. Who's he to talk about what's artistically valid due to it having been done before? How is what he's doing for the right reasons, while what Jimmy's doing is for the wrong? I heard growth in Page's playing at the O2, for sure.

I am of the gang who thinks the actual reason Plant doesn't want to do it is because it's too much for his voice to keep up with the power of Zeppelin's music, as played by Zeppelin, and not a blue grass band. This is not a put down, it's just a statement. Singers age in different ways than musicians who play instruments.

Also, their touring scene in the 70s, and the events concurrent with it, were probably enough to put a man off his feed for several decades. But he's been touring constantly since, so it's not the act of touring that has him spooked. And it has been several decades.

I do understand the frustration of his position. But maybe Plant is missing the reasons people since 1982 keep on about Zeppelin? It's kind of like Steven Speilberg complaining that people keep going on about "Close Encounters;" like William Styron griping that people keep bugging him about "Sophie's Choice;" like Paul McCartney bitching that folks want him to do Beatles songs...

If he doesn't wanna, he doesn't wanna, fine. Why does he have to put down the people who appreciate the music? Because equating what people love with getting jerked off by a cheap massuese is really not all that humorous, honest.

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