4th of July

[Electrophile]

That guy' has a name and the 'levity' of this thread unraveled when Strider tried to make some kind of serious 'point'. Didn't you read the first page? I was replying to his post.

4th July is an oxymoron. Fine, have fun and enjoy it. Drink beer, eat hotdogs and play with fireworks etc etc but don't try and tell me it was all about freedom and liberty because it clearly wasn't.

People can believe and feel that the 4th of July is whatever they want it to be to them. You have no right to tell them they're wrong. Just like Christmas and Easter and Thanksgiving and other holidays have meanings to people that may not be shared by others. If that's what he thinks the 4th of July is, that's what he thinks it is.

I happen to think that the 4th of July is an important day for Americans, for what it represents to us and what it meant to the founding of this nation. You're free to think otherwise but don't tell me I'm wrong.

Furthermore, you're not an American. Ordinarily I love getting opinions from those not of this country about things happening in this country, especially our politics, but the 4th of July has particular meaning for us, a meaning you don't share. How can you possibly know what such an important holiday to this nation means to its citizens when you are not one? I don't go around acting like I understand the importance of Guy Fawkes Day, do I?

[Suz]

People can believe and feel that the 4th of July is whatever they want it to be to them. You have no right to tell them they're wrong. Just like Christmas and Easter and Thanksgiving and other holidays have meanings to people that may not be shared by others. If that's what he thinks the 4th of July is, that's what he thinks it is.

I happen to think that the 4th of July is an important day for Americans, for what it represents to us and what it meant to the founding of this nation. You're free to think otherwise but don't tell me I'm wrong.

Furthermore, you're not an American. Ordinarily I love getting opinions from those not of this country about things happening in this country, especially our politics, but the 4th of July has particular meaning for us, a meaning you don't share. How can you possibly know what such an important holiday to this nation means to its citizens when you are not one? I don't go around acting like I understand the importance of Guy Fawkes Day, do I?

Hey, is that the effigy- burning holiday? Ewwwww....

[Electrophile]

Hey, is that the effigy- burning holiday? Ewwwww....

I think. I'm not sure. But if he wants to tell me it means X, I'm not going to tell him it doesn't. As someone who is not British, it's not my place to correct his interpretation of his country's holiday.

[The Rover]

The Colonists had more freedoms and a higher standard of living than Brits back home. They always got away with paying far less taxes than the Brits back home yet still enjoyed the protection the British gave them from other colonial powers (see The French and Indian War). The Colonials didn't want to 'rebel' in 1750s when France was a potential threat to their hitherto happy existance.

After the French were nullified as a threat it was largely Colonial businessmen with more of an eye for making money than 'freedom and 'liberty' that were pushing for a break away from Britain....so that they could make even more money.

If the American Revolution was all about 'freedom' and 'liberty' then slavery wouldn't have continued in America for almost another 100 years afterwards.

I'll take our (the U.S.) Constitution and Declaration of Independence, as written, over ANY other Nation's precepts.

ORIGINAL INTENT

THE RIGHT TO:

L I F E

L I B E R T Y

AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS

Hey Miley Cyrus.....

There's a picture of things to come ! ! !

Maybe for your sweet "16" this Fall....

The 'Disney" Factory has turned out some real American stunners ! !

[Gainsbarre]

The guys play horseshoes; the kids play badminton and everyone plays bocce.

Hmm, I feel like playing some badminton, and Quoits...

[Del Zeppnile]

The Colonists had more freedoms and a higher standard of living than Brits back home. They always got away with paying far less taxes than the Brits back home yet still enjoyed the protection the British gave them from other colonial powers (see The French and Indian War).

But at least the Brits had representation in Parliment. Whenever you have a system were there is taxation without due representation, then of course there will eventually become a point where colonist are going to feel put upon. Americans had no interest in paying for Britian's European war. It was not our concern.

The Colonials didn't want to 'rebel' in 1750s when France was a potential threat to their hitherto happy existance.

Do you really think Britian would have acted in any other manner concerning the French competition for land and influence in North America despite the wishes of the colonists? Britian did not go to war agains the French in North America for any other reason than it was in Britian's interest to do so.

Are we to assume that Britian fought the Japanese in India for sake of the people of India alone?

After the French were nullified as a threat it was largely Colonial businessmen with more of an eye for making money than 'freedom and 'liberty' that were pushing for a break away from Britain....so that they could make even more money.

Which in other words meant the British crown and those companies sanctioned by the crown, would make less money if the Americans won their independece. Please don't tell me that you actually believe that Britain's sole interest in North America was to provide a high standard of living and protection from the French. Of course money had something to do with it. Afterall, we are not communists.

If the American Revolution was all about 'freedom' and 'liberty' then slavery wouldn't have continued in America for almost another 100 years afterwards.

If Britain's presense in America was all about protecting colonist and high standards of living, why didn't Britain end slavery in America before 1776? Besides, Britain only outlawed the overseas trading of slaves in 1807. However Britain continued to allow slavery in her colonies up until 1833... and in some isolated areas for years beyond that.

[THE FIRST LEDZEP]

"Good morning. In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world.

And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. "Mankind."

That word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.

We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it's fate that today is the Fourth of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom...

Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution... but from annihilation. We are fighting for our right to live.

To exist. And should we win the day, the Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice:

"We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!" We're going to live on! We're going to survive!

Today we celebrate our Independence Day!"

[Gainsbarre]

So do Canadians and they didn't rebel.

Same as Australia and they didn't rebel.

Was there a need for the American War of Independence? I don't know. Probably not, the USA would've been independent eventually.

Yes, Australia never fought an independence war, that was unecessary for us, but then our historical situation was slightly different to the USA, well similar and dissimilar.

I mean both Australia and the USA sought independence within 150 years of the beginning of colonisation, but I guess the basic difference is that British migration to the USA was based on people wanting to get away from Britain, whereas British migration to Australia, in the beginning, was generally forced.

So it, i think, resulted in two different mindsets in both countries, with the USA wanting a forced break with Britain and Australia wanting independence but happy to retain close ties with Britain.

It has to be said though yes there were hard times living in British Colonies, Ireland would've had to have been the worst, but that was because the British were so intent on breaking the Irish. But there would've been worser places than Britain in which to live back in those days. Britain did poses, compared to other countries, and due to its constitutional monarchy system, a reasonably healthy democracy and a freedom of speech that was not found in France, Spain, Austria, Germanic territories, Prussia etc.

[Electrophile]

An American won the Nathan's Hot Dog eating contest. And that's the way it should be; if anyone is going to win a contest based on eating like a pig, it should be someone from these hallowed shores.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

[~tangerine~]

Captures the feeling of "celebration":

Fourth Of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)

Artist: Bruce Springsteen

Album: The Wild, The Innocent & The E Street Shuffle

Sandy, the fireworks are hailin' over Little Eden tonight

Forcin' a light into all those stony faces left stranded on this warm July

Down in town the circuit's full of switchblade lovers, so fast, so shiny, so sharp

As the wizards play down on Pinball Way on the boardwalk way past dark

And the boys from the casino dance with their shirts open like Latin lovers on the shore

Chasin' all them silly New York virgins by the score

Sandy, the aurora is risin' behind us

Those pier lights, our carnival life forever

Oh, love me tonight, for I may never see you again

Hey, Sandy girl... my baby

Now the greasers, they tramp the streets or get busted for sleepin' on the beach all night

Them boys in their high heels, ah Sandy, their skins are so white

And me, I just got tired of hangin' in them dusty arcades, bangin' them pleasure machines

Chasin' the factory girls underneath the boardwalk, where they all promised to unsnap their jeans

And you know that Tilt-a-Whirl down on the south beach drag? I got on it last night and my shirt got caught

And it kept me spinnin', they didn't think I'd ever get off

Sandy, the aurora is risin' behind us

Those pier lights, our carnival life on the water

Runnin', laughin' underneath the boardwalk with the boss's daughter

I remember, Sandy girl... my baby

Sandy, the waitress I was seein' lost her desire for me

I spoke with her last night, she said she won't set herself on fire for me anymore

She worked that joint under the boardwalk, she was always the girl you saw boppin' down the beach with the radio

Kids say last night she was dressed like a star in one of the cheap little seaside bars, and I saw her parked with her lover boy out on the Kokomo

Did you hear, the cops finally busted Madame Marie for tellin' fortunes better than they do?

For me this carnival life's through-- you ought to quit this scene too

Sandy, the aurora is risin' behind us

Those pier lights, our carnival life forever

Oh, love me tonight and I promise I'll love you forever

Oh, I mean it, Sandy girl

[Suz]

An American won the Nathan's Hot Dog eating contest. And that's the way it should be; if anyone is going to win a contest based on eating like a pig, it should be someone from these hallowed shores.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Damn right, sister.

[BIGDAN]

So, whether you are conservative, liberal, progressive, centrist, libertarian,

green, whatever...if you are an American, you have much to be thankful

for that our forefathers declared independence from England on July 4,

1776.

Have a nice day to you 'Strider'

Don't mean to be picky but it was Great Britain that you were at war with not us English.

We wish we could have joined you as the 51st state and free us of this pile of shit that rule our Great country. We want to be free of the Scots, Irish, Welsh, Blacks, Pakis and all the other immigrants that seem to hate England and the English. Still, thats our own fault for being such nice and friendly people, don't let your Great country go the same way, please.

I live in London, according to the news today another seven people knifed to death this week in this Great city of ours, by black immigrants!!! Do i wish I lived in a safe free country, like where? You bet.

[Electrophile]

Have a nice day to you 'Strider'

Don't mean to be picky but it was Great Britain that you were at war with not us English.

We wish we could have joined you as the 51st state and free us of this pile of shit that rule our Great country. We want to be free of the Scots, Irish, Welsh, Blacks, Pakis and all the other immigrants that seem to hate England and the English. Still, thats our own fault for being such nice and friendly people, don't let your Great country go the same way, please.

I live in London, according to the news today another seven people knifed to death this week in this Great city of ours, by black immigrants!!! Do i wish I lived in a safe free country, like where? You bet.

Xenophobia is awesome!! Cookie for you!! Aren't you so proud to be embarrassing yourself in front of complete strangers?

[BIGDAN]

Xenophobia is awesome!! Cookie for you!! Aren't you so proud to be embarrassing yourself in front of complete strangers?

Well it is the truth, whats wrong with that, does it hurt you or something.

As a free country with freedom of speech why cant we express ourselves without worrying about people getting upset about what is happening all around us.

As for being Xenophobic, I freely admit that I am. I like in fear of immigrants every day, White as well as Black. They have helped to destroy the very fabric of the Country i have lived in all my life.

I am neither proud or embarrassed by what I say as it is the truth. However anyone on here can disagree and rebuke me for what I say as it is a free society, just try and see the bigger picture for once and ask your self if you are happy with your little world. Many of us in England are not, but can do nothing about it except moan. There will be no Revolution for us.

Sorry for the wind up, Danny

[Dancin'Days]

just some of the liberties afforded by a free, democratic society

On July 4th I always raise my first glass of the day, point it to the west, and toast America.

Even though I am an ex-patriot (that's what they call you if you are an American not living in America) I am still patriotic and I love America. Thank you for these wonderful words!

[Electrophile]

I don't find xenophobia/bigotry/racism/homophobia/sexism/Antisemitism or any other kind of demographic-based hatred amusing. So yeah, I do have a problem with it. Are there immigrants who come to a country and then commit crimes, behave poorly and basically make themselves look like complete tools? Yes. Should you fear ALL immigrants based on the derelict actions of a group of them? No, you shouldn't. At least, that's how I was raised. I dislike those who actually do something wrong, not people who just happen to share the same ethnic makeup as those who have done something wrong.

If a woman walks into a grocery store and steals something, and you as the check-out person see this and are scared she might be packing heat or something, does that mean every time a woman walks into the store, you should cower in fear? Ummmm, no. Replace the word "woman" with any other demographic and the same thing applies.

You shouldn't punish the whole for the actions of the part.

[BIGDAN]

I don't find xenophobia/bigotry/racism/homophobia/sexism/Antisemitism or any other kind of demographic-based hatred amusing. So yeah, I do have a problem with it. Are there immigrants who come to a country and then commit crimes, behave poorly and basically make themselves look like complete tools? Yes. Should you fear ALL immigrants based on the derelict actions of a group of them? No, you shouldn't. At least, that's how I was raised. I dislike those who actually do something wrong, not people who just happen to share the same ethnic makeup as those who have done something wrong.

If a woman walks into a grocery store and steals something, and you as the check-out person see this and are scared she might be packing heat or something, does that mean every time a woman walks into the store, you should cower in fear? Ummmm, no. Replace the word "woman" with any other demographic and the same thing applies.

You shouldn't punish the whole for the actions of the part.

Wait a minute, I did not say I hate them anywhere because I don't.

The trouble over here is getting worse day by day, there have been over 20 different races, cultures, and peoples moving in to the area where I live since my sons started secondary school, in 10 years. It has cause so much unrest amongst every one, including the the immigrants.

All my kids have had to deal with people in their school who are in their twenties but say that they are 13 or 14 so as they can get in to school.

Many come from war zones, Kosovo, Somalia, West Africa, Iraq and Afghanistan, these people have seen death daily and they don't fuck about being nice to settle an argument like our nice white boys. Its either a knife, gun or a gang that settle all disagreements now, with deadly effect.

But I still don't hate them, I fear them because I don't think or act like them.

I just want them gone from England so as we can live in peace, we have a right to that don't we? And to tell the truth unless you have experienced it first hand then you don't know how you would react.

Still friends, Danny

[Elizabeth.]

4th of July, Anybody celebrating?

Is my birthdayy!!!!!

[Electrophile]

Wait a minute, I did not say I hate them anywhere because I don't.

The trouble over here is getting worse day by day, there have been over 20 different races, cultures, and peoples moving in to the area where I live since my sons started secondary school, in 10 years. It has cause so much unrest amongst every one, including the the immigrants.

All my kids have had to deal with people in their school who are in their twenties but say that they are 13 or 14 so as they can get in to school.

Many come from war zones, Kosovo, Somalia, West Africa, Iraq and Afghanistan, these people have seen death daily and they don't fuck about being nice to settle an argument like our nice white boys. Its either a knife, gun or a gang that settle all disagreements now, with deadly effect.

But I still don't hate them, I fear them because I don't think or act like them.

I just want them gone from England so as we can live in peace, we have a right to that don't we? And to tell the truth unless you have experienced it first hand then you don't know how you would react.

Do you know what kind of neighborhood I grew up in living in Chicago? No, you don't. So don't tell me what I know, what I don't know and what I need to know.

Nice little white boys.....as if Caucasians are fucking angels or something. This shit makes me ill. Off to the Island of Misfit Toys for you. Reading any more of this nonsense and I'll explode.

[BIGDAN]

Do you know what kind of neighborhood I grew up in living in Chicago? No, you don't. So don't tell me what I know, what I don't know and what I need to know.

Nice little white boys.....as if Caucasians are fucking angels or something. This shit makes me ill. Off to the Island of Misfit Toys for you. Reading any more of this nonsense and I'll explode.

So you come from Chicago, it could just as easily be LA or New York couldn't it. You still wouldn't smell the coffee would you.

You don't live here so you don't know how it is do you? So I will tell you OK, its shit.

My boys are "Nice little white boys" thats the way I brought them up, they never have trouble with the law or anyone else, yet all of them have been robbed at knife point by immigrants at some time, either Pakis or Blacks or in one case Irish. But I still don't hate them, but when I have caught up with them as I have done in the past, you might think I do hate them.

As for it being nonsenose, well what world do you live in, is Chicago quiet and safe or don't you venture out on the streets, especially at night, are you just a cyber warrior?

[Electrophile]

I don't live in Chicago any more, most people here know that. And no it couldn't just as easily be LA or NY, because those cities are not Chicago. We moved in 2001 when my father's job transferred and we moved to Atlanta, which frankly is no better. Now we live in NC between Winston-Salem and Greensboro. And I still wouldn't smell the coffee? WTH?

And yes, when I was in living in Chicago, I would go out at night with my friends because I wasn't going to cower in fear in my apartment, worried that someone might attack me. There are plenty of great places in Chicago and then there's some not-so-great places, but my parents raised me not to live in fear. I'm real proud your kids aren't lawbreakers, but that doesn't mean that all black people or all Pakistanis or all Irish people are criminals that you should run around trying to avoid and screaming should be kicked off the island. Get a grip. There's crime all over the world, committed by all walks of life. What, you want everyone staying in their own country, associating with only their own race? What a nice little world you want. Thank God it's not going to happen.

And you hate them, quit feeding me this nonsense that you don't. You don't fear something you like. If you didn't hate them, you wouldn't be spouting this inane horseshit.

Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye.

[Del Zeppnile]

4th July is an oxymoron. Fine, have fun and enjoy it. Drink beer, eat hotdogs and play with fireworks etc etc but don't try and tell me it was all about freedom and liberty because it clearly wasn't.

Declaration of Independence

Adopted by Congress on July 4, 1776

The Unanimous Declaration

of the Thirteen United States of America

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.

He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.

He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.

He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:

For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing taxes on us without our consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:

For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:

For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:

For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:

For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

[BIGDAN]

I don't live in Chicago any more, most people here know that. And no it couldn't just as easily be LA or NY, because those cities are not Chicago. We moved in 2001 when my father's job transferred and we moved to Atlanta, which frankly is no better. Now we live in NC between Winston-Salem and Greensboro. And I still wouldn't smell the coffee? WTH?

And yes, when I was in living in Chicago, I would go out at night with my friends because I wasn't going to cower in fear in my apartment, worried that someone might attack me. There are plenty of great places in Chicago and then there's some not-so-great places, but my parents raised me not to live in fear. I'm real proud your kids aren't lawbreakers, but that doesn't mean that all black people or all Pakistanis or all Irish people are criminals that you should run around trying to avoid and screaming should be kicked off the island. Get a grip. There's crime all over the world, committed by all walks of life. What, you want everyone staying in their own country, associating with only their own race? What a nice little world you want. Thank God it's not going to happen.

And you hate them, quit feeding me this nonsense that you don't. You don't fear something you like. If you didn't hate them, you wouldn't be spouting this inane horseshit.

Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye.

Please don't make this personal, I don't hate immigrants. I just don't like them here where I live. I don't believe in immigration on the scale we have it in England, especially from war torn countries, and i know you have it tough in the USA and Canada. I don't think you know just how much loathing these people have for us English, the people they are asked to live with.

Sorry for pissing you off, lets end it now. Regards, Danny

[Gainsbarre]

We want to be free of the Scots, Irish, Welsh, Blacks, Pakis and all the other immigrants that seem to hate England and the English. Still, thats our own fault for being such nice and friendly people, don't let your Great country go the same way, please.

No...

That's what you get for Great Britain having been an empire... All those colonials that Britain belted into submission have all decided to move to the Mother Country.

I tell you what, if you just want to be surrounded by good, decent hard-working English people, why don't you move to Spain?

[Knebby]

Have a nice day to you 'Strider'

Don't mean to be picky but it was Great Britain that you were at war with not us English.

We wish we could have joined you as the 51st state and free us of this pile of shit that rule our Great country. We want to be free of the Scots, Irish, Welsh, Blacks, Pakis and all the other immigrants that seem to hate England and the English. Still, thats our own fault for being such nice and friendly people, don't let your Great country go the same way, please.

I live in London, according to the news today another seven people knifed to death this week in this Great city of ours, by black immigrants!!! Do i wish I lived in a safe free country, like where? You bet.

Speak for yourself, please. I am ashamed that a fellow countryman would make a post like this.

Oh and BTW - Guy Fawkes night is basically an excuse for big bonfires to cook bangers on, lots of fireworks, and FUN. It is not taken as a serious national celebration by any Brit now - I would say most could not give a s**t about the history behind it - it's just fun.

Happy Fourth of July.