spats Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 If you didn't vote(again) then you shouldn't even be discussing this issue. You have revoked your right to alter agenda's that does not suit your needs. You live in Toronto which probably means at least 4 local candidates with different agenda's to suit different people. None of them had any policy that you could relate to? Sad. No matter who i would vote for i would be voting for a liar. So what should i do? vote for the one person who lies the least? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepaholic Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 It's not an excuse. There is no one worthy. They are all a joke. The one who was relected is one of the biggest jokes. I am not going to contribute to the problem. You just don't get it. If you think that the PM is a problem then you MUST vote to rectify the problem. The real problem in this country is the 40% who don't vote and still whine about issues they have no right to whine about. You either want to live in the Peoples Republic of Ontario or wish to join some covert militia that wants to overthrow everything our past generations fought for. People who don't vote need to STFU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spats Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 You just don't get it. If you think that the PM is a problem then you MUST vote to rectify the problem. The real problem in this country is the 40% who don't vote and still whine about issues they have no right to whine about. You either want to live in the Peoples Republic of Ontario or wish to join some covert militia that wants to overthrow everything our past generations fought for. People who don't vote need to STFU! I never never whine and whine about how my country is run. I know it's run poorly and have accepted the way it is because i can't change it. I just responded here because someone said for everyone to vote. And i just replied that i am not going to vote for someone who lies and makes promises they will not keep which is pretty much everyone who is running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 No matter who i would vote for i would be voting for a liar. So what should i do? vote for the one person who lies the least? Yep ! Exercise your option and respect the fact that it in a democracy, that's how we do it. Failure to do so gives creedence to not having the right at all. The right is more important than the candidate of choice. BTW Thanks for the compliment Zepaholic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spats Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Yep ! Exercise your option and respect the fact that it in a democracy, that's how we do it. Failure to do so gives creedence to not having the right at all. The right is more important than the candidate of choice. BTW Thanks for the compliment Zepaholic You have got to be kidding. I am not going to vote for dishonesty. There is a reason the voting turnout is so low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepaholic Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 I never never whine and whine about how my country is run. I know it's run poorly and have accepted the way it is because i can't change it. I just responded here because someone said for everyone to vote. And i just replied that i am not going to vote for someone who lies and makes promises they will not keep which is pretty much everyone who is running. Of course they lie, everybody lies...welcome to the real world. The issue here is that you, as a voter, need to exercise your right to call whomever out for lying and misrepresentation. You are free to speak out against something that will greatly affect your future as a citizen but choose not to. For the life of me i do not understand the apathy of non voters but i'm just going to leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 You have got to be kidding. I am not going to vote for dishonesty. There is a reason the voting turnout is so low. Maybe so but not voting is not the solution. I think it's become fashionable not to vote because it gives people an excuse not to pay attention to politics in this country. IMO, that mentality is dangerous. If people really feel that all politicians are dishonest, crooked or whatever then I think that say's it's time to get involved in the process, not walk away from it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pagemeister Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 (edited) TEENAGE HEAD Frontman Dies At 51 Canadian rock icon Frankie Venom (a.k.a. Frank Kerr), lead singer of Hamilton punk pioneers TEENAGE HEAD, died of natural causes on October 15. He was 51. TEENAGE HEAD formed at Westdale Highschool in Hamilton, Ontario in 1975 and went on to become what many considered to be the Canadian equal to the RAMONES. In recent years, TEENAGE HEAD reformed, releasing a new album with Marky Ramone on drums, and touring internationally. While touring Canada, the band dropped by CBC Radio 3 and spoke with Lisa Christiansen for an interview that can be heard at this location. Edited October 16, 2008 by The Pagemeister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrycja Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 No matter who i would vote for i would be voting for a liar. So what should i do? vote for the one person who lies the least? Can you please provide specific instances of lying that you take umbrage with? I never never whine and whine about how my country is run. I know it's run poorly and have accepted the way it is because i can't change it. I just responded here because someone said for everyone to vote. And i just replied that i am not going to vote for someone who lies and makes promises they will not keep which is pretty much everyone who is running. This election had the lowest voter turnout in history. Normally voting is preferable because it is a privilege that many have died for us to have. I always vote, and have had strong debates with those who do not. But this time around the fact that so many have not chosen to vote speaks volumes and it's a clear indication that, among other things, people did not see this election as necessary (and given that the results - another Conservative minority - are very similar to those before the election), and that the $300 million spent on the election could have been better used. So it's not that not voting in and of itself is intrinsically bad (I've gained a new appreciation for those who made this choice during this election, though I still disagree with it), it's why it is done that is still a big problem. Not voting as a form of protest has its merits. Not voting because of apathy is not good enough. Neither is not voting because 'everyone lies'. Have you looked at the candidates in each of the parties AND those in your area? Can you not find the merits, despite your objections, of being politically involved? I mean there's a thread of what, fifty plus pages, dedicated to your dating woes, which if I may say without sounding judgmental, is a tad self-absorbed (and utterly unattractive), and yet there isn't enough reason to perform a civic duty? And if there isn't someone you like, what are you doing about what you don't like? I've read many of your responses and can say with confidence that you come across as someone who seeks only to defend positions where you wonder why things aren't the way you want them to be and yet offer no instances of engaging to change them. This fine nation wasn't shaped by 'I know it's run poorly and have accepted the way it is because i can't change it.' It is lazy and not good enough. Nothing personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrycja Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 So how is the old "sin tax" going these days up there? I wish that this country would wake up and legalize gambling and use the revenue to solve the woes. And throw in Mary Jane too. They have the answer to their problems right at their damn fingertips but it just never happens. Just imagine, they cant stop gambling and drugs. Never could and never will. So why not run the bookies out of business, make betting on football and sports legal and everybody wins. Even the addicted gamblers will have a shot at collecting here and there rather than being financially raped by the government on lotteries they will never win. And the government spends millions advertizing it. Its all bullshit. The entire process. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They exploit the uneducated poor and sell them lottery tickets. And they say much of the money is going toward education. Bullshit. Then why are the tap and pell grants so bad these days? I am on the Canadien thread I know. But I just wonder what you Canadien friends of ours think? I know they are pounding you on alchohol and tobacco up there. But I dont know how your health care system seems to be so superior to ours. Well, Ive said enough for now. Ill read some responses if there are any. I don't have a clear cut answer for you Yukon (glad to hear, by the way, you got through your tests all right ), but we seem to have a more balanced approach, so that just because people gamble, drink or smoke doesn't make them addicts. Addicts would find a way anyway, and legalizing these things is just a way for people to enjoy themselves within limits they determine for themselves. Besides, there are already broader laws (alcohol DUI limits, illicit drugs vs. Mary Jane - which also has driving restrictions of course) that punish inappropriate use. Part of it is also that the government sees the benefits of taxation of moderate use and not moralizing the issues. We like indulging in our sins, thank you very much, and if taxing means benefits for others, all the better. Share the love As for the health care, the so-called universal health care as we know it today was first implemented in England after WWII, I believe, as a direct response to the dire needs of the wounded and it helped not only immediately after the war but during the difficult years afterward when so many were struggling. Tommy Douglas was the initiator for it in Canada in the early 1960's. I think the US is the only industrialized nation in the world without universal health care; that is shocking. Give it a try. Can't be any worse than what you've got now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepaholic Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 So how is the old "sin tax" going these days up there? I wish that this country would wake up and legalize gambling and use the revenue to solve the woes. And throw in Mary Jane too. They have the answer to their problems right at their damn fingertips but it just never happens. Just imagine, they cant stop gambling and drugs. Never could and never will. So why not run the bookies out of business, make betting on football and sports legal and everybody wins. Even the addicted gamblers will have a shot at collecting here and there rather than being financially raped by the government on lotteries they will never win. And the government spends millions advertizing it. Its all bullshit. The entire process. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They exploit the uneducated poor and sell them lottery tickets. And they say much of the money is going toward education. Bullshit. Then why are the tap and pell grants so bad these days? I am on the Canadien thread I know. But I just wonder what you Canadien friends of ours think? I know they are pounding you on alchohol and tobacco up there. But I dont know how your health care system seems to be so superior to ours. Well, Ive said enough for now. Ill read some responses if there are any. Where to start, where to start... Health care...I can tell you first hand that our so-called "world class" universal HC is a mess. My work takes me into the biggest Hospitals in the GTA and the situation is grim. We are critically short of Nurses, ER's are embarrassing overcrowded, Doctors are fried to a crisp and if you need to see a specialist, well, take a number and be prepared to wait 6 months or more. How about a 4-6 month wait for an MRI? Sound good? 6-8 weeks for Cancer surgery that really needs to be done within a week? Knee and hip replacement? Hopefully you will survive long enough to get on the table. To be fair, the MD's and Nurses are very well trained and are highly competent. The standards are very high in that regard. The issue is, of course, a Gov't run system that means well but is horribly mismanaged and under-funded. Our tax dollars at work....again. Still, all we need to stand in line is a valid health card and some patience. The treatment is "free", which is funny unto itself. The cost actually comes out of your weekly cheque throughout the year but nobody wants or needs to discuss that... Sin Tax...Well, only about 22% of Canadians still smoke and much of their fix comes from cheap Native smokes that the Gov't can't touch with taxation. They(gov't) have done it again; creating a thriving underground economy due to overtaxation. Alcohol seems to be vital to our national fabric(LoL) and they can tax it all they want. Canadians love their beer! Gambling...I'll leave this to somebody more qualified. I don't gamble and have no interest in it. We have a limited number of Casino's which i consider to be legalized robbery anyway. Just my opinion, i know many who love it. Bottom line...Canada has a so-called "social safety net" which gives people comfort and hope that they will not suffer. For the most part, this semi-socialist agenda does keep most from suffering but it also gives false hopes and expectations. Way, way too many people expect to be taken care of instead of taking care of themselves and using Uncle Fed to bail them out in a tough period. I hate this aspect of our Nationhood but understand it's relative merits upon the national Psychi. We need to be more independent in our thinking and need to see more accountability from our Gov't. May seem like a scathing report but really, i'd choose to live nowhere else on Earth. We are a young nation that just needs to grow up a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrycja Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Where to start, where to start... Health care...I can tell you first hand that our so-called "world class" universal HC is a mess. My work takes me into the biggest Hospitals in the GTA and the situation is grim. We are critically short of Nurses, ER's are embarrassing overcrowded, Doctors are fried to a crisp and if you need to see a specialist, well, take a number and be prepared to wait 6 months or more. How about a 4-6 month wait for an MRI? Sound good? 6-8 weeks for Cancer surgery that really needs to be done within a week? Knee and hip replacement? Hopefully you will survive long enough to get on the table. To be fair, the MD's and Nurses are very well trained and are highly competent. The standards are very high in that regard. The issue is, of course, a Gov't run system that means well but is horribly mismanaged and under-funded. Our tax dollars at work....again. Still, all we need to stand in line is a valid health card and some patience. The treatment is "free", which is funny unto itself. The cost actually comes out of your weekly cheque throughout the year but nobody wants or needs to discuss that... Sin Tax...Well, only about 22% of Canadians still smoke and much of their fix comes from cheap Native smokes that the Gov't can't touch with taxation. They(gov't) have done it again; creating a thriving underground economy due to overtaxation. Alcohol seems to be vital to our national fabric(LoL) and they can tax it all they want. Canadians love their beer! Gambling...I'll leave this to somebody more qualified. I don't gamble and have no interest in it. We have a limited number of Casino's which i consider to be legalized robbery anyway. Just my opinion, i know many who love it. Bottom line...Canada has a so-called "social safety net" which gives people comfort and hope that they will not suffer. For the most part, this semi-socialist agenda does keep most from suffering but it also gives false hopes and expectations. Way, way too many people expect to be taken care of instead of taking care of themselves and using Uncle Fed to bail them out in a tough period. I hate this aspect of our Nationhood but understand it's relative merits upon the national Psychi. We need to be more independent in our thinking and need to see more accountability from our Gov't. May seem like a scathing report but really, i'd choose to live nowhere else on Earth. We are a young nation that just needs to grow up a little. Wow well I can only speak as a patient not as a worker in the field, but I have had excellent care each time I needed it in hospitals. That said, I do not doubt that the problems you raise are legitimate and need addressing, but that's the application within the universal health care system, the system itself as a framework I would definitely leave in place. Would you agree or would you prefer to privatize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepaholic Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Wow well I can only speak as a patient not as a worker in the field, but I have had excellent care each time I needed it in hospitals. That said, I do not doubt that the problems you raise are legitimate and need addressing, but that's the application within the universal health care system, the system itself as a framework I would definitely leave in place. Would you agree or would you prefer to privatize? Unless the Gov't recognizes and attempts to remedy the aforementioned issues, i would have to support a 2-tier system. The framework for the UHS i would definitely keep in place but the wait times are absolutely unacceptable. If the people with loads of cash want to get out of line and pay out of pocket for treatment, i have no problem with that. It would take a huge burden off the existing system and allow people who need immediate help to get it before their situation gets worse. Again, i prefer to keep the system as is but it's not working for way too many people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliet Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 TEENAGE HEAD Frontman Dies At 51 Canadian rock icon Frankie Venom (a.k.a. Frank Kerr), lead singer of Hamilton punk pioneers TEENAGE HEAD, died of natural causes on October 15. He was 51. TEENAGE HEAD formed at Westdale Highschool in Hamilton, Ontario in 1975 and went on to become what many considered to be the Canadian equal to the RAMONES. In recent years, TEENAGE HEAD reformed, releasing a new album with Marky Ramone on drums, and touring internationally. While touring Canada, the band dropped by CBC Radio 3 and spoke with Lisa Christiansen for an interview that can be heard at this location. Very sad news indeed... There's a posting on the station CP24 (CITY TV related)..stating that Frankie died of throat cancer.. R.I.P. FRANKIE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Unless the Gov't recognizes and attempts to remedy the aforementioned issues, i would have to support a 2-tier system. The framework for the UHS i would definitely keep in place but the wait times are absolutely unacceptable. If the people with loads of cash want to get out of line and pay out of pocket for treatment, i have no problem with that. It would take a huge burden off the existing system and allow people who need immediate help to get it before their situation gets worse. Again, i prefer to keep the system as is but it's not working for way too many people. This is an issue that I have been struggling with for quite some time . I do believe in our UHS and have no desire to see it change but the wait lists are a major problem. However, without getting too far into the politics of the situation it is pretty clear to me that over the last 8 yrs.there is an ajenda in BC that is leaning towards limited privitization. We could have been funding the system properly and reformed it at the same time but, our gov. has chosen only to go after healthcare workers and has allowed administrators a free pass. IMHO, the gov. is waiting us out. Having said that, I think they are winning and unless there is a major shift in thinking on the part of the general public, we will have much more in the way of private healthcare period. I believe in being fiscally responsible, I don't believe in throwing good money after bad but, it's absurd to think that by not funding the system properly and at the same time not making administrators accountable is the answer. With all that said, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that I am living a pipe dream and real reform will not happen anytime soon. That leaves only one option at the moment to clear out the wait lists, limited privitization for those who can afford it. If nothing else, it may actually reveal just how underfunded and mismanaged our UHS really is. Maybe everyone will wake up a little when they have to pay for some services and demand a more accountable and properly funded UHS for our children and future generations. Yukon, I'm not sure that I've answered your question but the previous posters are accurate about SIN taxes. I'm in favour of them but as I've stated, that money should be made available to the healthcare system otherwise they're just another gov. money grab. That I'm not in favour of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepaholic Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 This is an issue that I have been struggling with for quite some time . I do believe in our UHS and have no desire to see it change but the wait lists are a major problem. However, without getting too far into the politics of the situation it is pretty clear to me that over the last 8 yrs.there is an ajenda in BC that is leaning towards limited privitization. We could have been funding the system properly and reformed it at the same time but, our gov. has chosen only to go after healthcare workers and has allowed administrators a free pass. IMHO, the gov. is waiting us out. Having said that, I think they are winning and unless there is a major shift in thinking on the part of the general public, we will have much more in the way of private healthcare period. I believe in being fiscally responsible, I don't believe in throwing good money after bad but, it's absurd to think that by not funding the system properly and at the same time not making administrators accountable is the answer. With all that said, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that I am living a pipe dream and real reform will not happen anytime soon. That leaves only one option at the moment to clear out the wait lists, limited privitization for those who can afford it. If nothing else, it may actually reveal just how underfunded and mismanaged our UHS really is. Maybe everyone will wake up a little when they have to pay for some services and demand a more accountable and properly funded UHS for our children and future generations. Yukon, I'm not sure that I've answered your question but the previous posters are accurate about SIN taxes. I'm in favour of them but as I've stated, that money should be made available to the healthcare system otherwise they're just another gov. money grab. That I'm not in favour of Question: If a Professional athlete sustains an injury that requires attention, do they wait in line for an MRI? Do they wait in an overcrowded ER for a couple of hours to be looked at? Hmmmm, let me think.... You already know the answer, i'm sure of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 No they don't. As I said, I've come to the conclusion that my way of thinking is not going to be the way of the immediate future. I agree with you that privitization for those that can, will be the way of things. No getting around it. As I said, I'm not a huge fan of the idea but I must admit that if a member of my family was on one of those waiting lists then I would be the first to try and get them into the private option. I don't think that is a bad thing as long as both options are still available to all. I just don't want to open the door to total privitization and to be honest, whether I'm right or wrong I see the model in BC as being a little cloak and dagger in the way they are trying to sell the idea. There in lies my dilema Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Just curious as to everybody's opinion of these gas pipeline bombings that took place last week in Dawson Creek. Domestic or foreign ? What are your thoughts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepaholic Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Just curious as to everybody's opinion of these gas pipeline bombings that took place last week in Dawson Creek. Domestic or foreign ? What are your thoughts ? http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...ada&s_name= Domestic. The letter received said something about our "home lands"...local. Some small but radical band of misfits who have no idea what kind of disaster they almost caused. Enviro-geeks, Native people or some kind of militia group would be my guess. Terrorists have bigger fish to fry. Edited October 20, 2008 by Zepaholic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 [url="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081016/pipeline_bombing_081016/20081016?hub=Canada&s_name="]http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...ada&s_name= Domestic. The letter received said something about our "home lands"...local. Some small but radical band of misfits who have no idea what kind of disaster they almost caused. Enviro-geeks, Native people or some kind of militia group would be my guess. Terrorists have bigger fish to fry. Hadn't seen that report. Local wannabes even. This could have been disasterous. It does give food for thought though, doesn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrycja Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Ok, so I'm self-employed and that means work is done at home and outside of it. When I'm at home preparing I've been increasingly inundated with ever annoying telemarketer calls. If you sign up with someone and they do a periodic check, or if you're elderly and appreciate some sort of service, or you're a charity, fine. If you're not, stop calling people everyday, five times a day!!! So, I offer a public service via a rant: National 'do not call' list I just signed up today. If you're annoyed, too, here's what you can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliet Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 (edited) Ok, so I'm self-employed and that means work is done at home and outside of it. When I'm at home preparing I've been increasingly inundated with ever annoying telemarketer calls. If you sign up with someone and they do a periodic check, or if you're elderly and appreciate some sort of service, or you're a charity, fine. If you're not, stop calling people everyday, five times a day!!! So, I offer a public service via a rant: National 'do not call' list I just signed up today. If you're annoyed, too, here's what you can do about it. Hello: I did not sign up for the DO NOT CALL list...I get a phone call frequently from a well known newspaper wanting to sell me a subscription..I take the opportunity to express my concerns..I hope they take my feedback to their leaders...I think it's important that 'THE PRESS" hear customers' concerns....and they get an earful from me....I think the newspaper is one of the symbols of free speech so I'm exercising my right to free speech to tell them why I'm not getting a subscription...other businesses who call me get a similar lecture... Juliet Edited October 24, 2008 by Juliet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepaholic Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Ok, so I'm self-employed and that means work is done at home and outside of it. When I'm at home preparing I've been increasingly inundated with ever annoying telemarketer calls. If you sign up with someone and they do a periodic check, or if you're elderly and appreciate some sort of service, or you're a charity, fine. If you're not, stop calling people everyday, five times a day!!! So, I offer a public service via a rant: National 'do not call' list I just signed up today. If you're annoyed, too, here's what you can do about it. I signed up on the first day. The annoyance of these...these....PEOPLE is maddening. FYI, some companies are exempt from this list but most are not. SIgning up has really cut down on the volume of calls to this house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrycja Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I signed up on the first day. The annoyance of these...these....PEOPLE is maddening. FYI, some companies are exempt from this list but most are not. SIgning up has really cut down on the volume of calls to this house. Wow I'm surprised you manged to get through. Apparently the site crashed there were so many wanting to sign up. Good to know that it's working, though, thanks for the feedback. I don't mind the occasional call from a charity, etc., but it's REALLY been getting out of hand of late. Good on ya, Juliet, if you have the stomach to rant, but it's really nice to have this as an option, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Microsoft offers reward for missing Xbox gamer http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/micros...x-gamer/1260470 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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