ledded1 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I would like to think that we aren't too far off some sort of announcement from Jimmy Jonesy and Jason. That said I am as much in the dark as everyone else. The impact of Roberts announcement requires something to look towards in the coming year at least. It would also be good if they told us not to call them the 3 J's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purdieshuffle Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I really hope that Jimmy Page wasn't told about Roberts decision in the media...I hope that they discussed it as mates prior...I'm sure they did.....I hope they did...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 You're messin' with me, right?? Next to the O2 reunion, this was the News of the Century! Or... maybe I'm stuck in a time tunnel in 1968 when Led Zeppelin were talking about forming. What a great news day that was! No, honest, just looking for an explanation of why it wasn't in the News section! That was all I could think of--that news is when something IS happening with them, which let's hope it does soon. Actually I think that earlier news day sort of snuck up on everybody--one day we found ourselves listening to a new already-formed band on the radio, going ! Well, I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimprw Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I can understand Robert's "been there, done that" view of reviving Led Zeppelin for a current world tour. As a working musician and a creative mind, regurgitating past work for the sake of nostalgia would not be a satisfying prospect. Yet, I think he is not quite appreciating the situation for what it is. Rock music is an art form, no ifs, ands or buts. It is a creative and significant force in the art of the 20th century. Led Zeppelin was one of the defining agents for this genre. Their contribution was unique. Their creations timeless. It is no stretch to say that their place in the creative output of human kind is at an elevation equal to that of the greatest artists who have ever lived - Bach, Mozart, Robert Johnson, Ray Charles, Johnny Cash, Elvis, the Beatles - key contributors to the human experience. That is the place Led Zeppelin holds. They are legends in music while they are yet alive. Robert is perhaps viewing a Led Zeppelin reunion as a cheap play to commercialism, or simply treading a path of the past when he has moved on to entirely new creative forms of music. What he seems not to understand is his place in music history and his rare opportunity to solidify his work in the now, for both fans who saw Zep at their height and those who admire his work with Zep as heroic, legendary foundation of the genre and weren't even alive when the boys were together and had no oportunity to listen to the creators of the music perform it as it needs to be heard. What would Robert have given to meet and listen to Robert Johnson when he was a young British lad developing his musical abilities? While artists can certainly justify their work as personal and proprietary, once their music has reached the level of a major contribution to knowledge and humanity, it ceases to be simply something they own in and of themselves. It enters the domain of human endeavor and belongs to the ages. Led Zeppelin will be listened to and appreciated as long as Western Civilization continues to exist. Their music has achieved this place in history. Bonzo doesn't have the opportunity to share his creativity with us any longer. But, his son does have the opportunity to light the way of his father. Robert, Jimmy and John Paul Jones have the opportunity to share their musical souls in person with literally hundreds of thousands of live human beings who recognize and appreciate the magnitude of the musical accomplishment of Led Zeppelin - here , now, and with recording technology for the future. They all should do this now, for they can. Who knows what tomorrow will bring and maybe the opportunity will cease to exist for the surviving members of the greatest rock and roll band of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert's Plant Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Led Zeppelin as we all know ended in 1980. The O2 show showed us that the magic is still there. I will not bash Robert. I just hope he does not regret his decision at a later date. Damn right ended in 1980. At 60 I don't think he has any time (and likely any inclination) for regrets. Thank you for keeping an open mind and not bash this man who entertained so many for so many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledded1 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I can understand Robert's "been there, done that" view of reviving Led Zeppelin for a current world tour. As a working musician and a creative mind, regurgitating past work for the sake of nostalgia would not be a satisfying prospect. Yet, I think he is not quite appreciating the situation for what it is. Rock music is an art form, no ifs, ands or buts. It is a creative and significant force in the art of the 20th century. Led Zeppelin was one of the defining agents for this genre. Their contribution was unique. Their creations timeless. It is no stretch to say that their place in the creative output of human kind is at an elevation equal to that of the greatest artists who have ever lived - Bach, Mozart, Robert Johnson, Ray Charles, Johnny Cash, Elvis, the Beatles - key contributors to the human experience. That is the place Led Zeppelin holds. They are legends in music while they are yet alive. Robert is perhaps viewing a Led Zeppelin reunion as a cheap play to commercialism, or simply treading a path of the past when he has moved on to entirely new creative forms of music. What he seems not to understand is his place in music history and his rare opportunity to solidify his work in the now, for both fans who saw Zep at their height and those who admire his work with Zep as heroic, legendary foundation of the genre and weren't even alive when the boys were together and had no oportunity to listen to the creators of the music perform it as it needs to be heard. What would Robert have given to meet and listen to Robert Johnson when he was a young British lad developing his musical abilities? While artists can certainly justify their work as personal and proprietary, once their music has reached the level of a major contribution to knowledge and humanity, it ceases to be simply something they own in and of themselves. It enters the domain of human endeavor and belongs to the ages. Led Zeppelin will be listened to and appreciated as long as Western Civilization continues to exist. Their music has achieved this place in history. Bonzo doesn't have the opportunity to share his creativity with us any longer. But, his son does have the opportunity to light the way of his father. Robert, Jimmy and John Paul Jones have the opportunity to share their musical souls in person with literally hundreds of thousands of live human beings who recognize and appreciate the magnitude of the musical accomplishment of Led Zeppelin - here , now, and with recording technology for the future. They all should do this now, for they can. Who knows what tomorrow will bring and maybe the opportunity will cease to exist for the surviving members of the greatest rock and roll band of all time. Well I can't disagree with much of your post, that said however I do think, though I don't know that you may be underestimating what Robert understands about the impact of Zep and it's and his place in musical history. I think he plays it down more that we build it up. Unfortunatley that gets taken the wrong way at times but it does add to the problem some Zep fans have with him. It is frustrating at times but then the whole Zep camp have been frustrating at times over the 39 years I have been following them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 ^I suppose they may have their issues, but it's simply a matter of finding something else to do if it seems that way. It's the toxic byproduct of fantasy colliding with reality. I had not thought of it that way. I guess that could explain it. I'm mystified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzldoc Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Led Zeppelin as we all know ended in 1980. The O2 show showed us that the magic is still there. I will not bash Robert. I just hope he does not regret his decision at a later date. Just happy to have witnessed the legend that was LED ZEPPELIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeptangerine Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I can understand Robert's "been there, done that" view of reviving Led Zeppelin for a current world tour. As a working musician and a creative mind, regurgitating past work for the sake of nostalgia would not be a satisfying prospect. Yet, I think he is not quite appreciating the situation for what it is. Rock music is an art form, no ifs, ands or buts. It is a creative and significant force in the art of the 20th century. Led Zeppelin was one of the defining agents for this genre. Their contribution was unique. Their creations timeless. It is no stretch to say that their place in the creative output of human kind is at an elevation equal to that of the greatest artists who have ever lived - Bach, Mozart, Robert Johnson, Ray Charles, Johnny Cash, Elvis, the Beatles - key contributors to the human experience. That is the place Led Zeppelin holds. They are legends in music while they are yet alive. Robert is perhaps viewing a Led Zeppelin reunion as a cheap play to commercialism, or simply treading a path of the past when he has moved on to entirely new creative forms of music. What he seems not to understand is his place in music history and his rare opportunity to solidify his work in the now, for both fans who saw Zep at their height and those who admire his work with Zep as heroic, legendary foundation of the genre and weren't even alive when the boys were together and had no oportunity to listen to the creators of the music perform it as it needs to be heard. What would Robert have given to meet and listen to Robert Johnson when he was a young British lad developing his musical abilities? While artists can certainly justify their work as personal and proprietary, once their music has reached the level of a major contribution to knowledge and humanity, it ceases to be simply something they own in and of themselves. It enters the domain of human endeavor and belongs to the ages. Led Zeppelin will be listened to and appreciated as long as Western Civilization continues to exist. Their music has achieved this place in history. Bonzo doesn't have the opportunity to share his creativity with us any longer. But, his son does have the opportunity to light the way of his father. Robert, Jimmy and John Paul Jones have the opportunity to share their musical souls in person with literally hundreds of thousands of live human beings who recognize and appreciate the magnitude of the musical accomplishment of Led Zeppelin - here , now, and with recording technology for the future. They all should do this now, for they can. Who knows what tomorrow will bring and maybe the opportunity will cease to exist for the surviving members of the greatest rock and roll band of all time. Wow- what a great post for a first timer- welcome and well said! You said what I've been thinking regarding Bonzo and Jason. I wonder how Jason must be feeling knowing he can continue the music proudly, but won't get another chance to do so. Many say "let's move on" or "all things must die eventually" but it doesn't seem possible if, like you said, Jason can continue if given the opportunity. As a fan of 35 years, I feel like I've come upon a fork in the road with this band's history. A part of me respects Robert's decision (for he finally made one), but another part thinks there's a lot of unfinished business ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James McGregor Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 It isn't that I'm disappointed that Robert doesn't want to return. It's his life and his choice. It's the blatant hypocrisy of him continually saying that Zeppelin is done and over, that he has moved on,..yet every band that seems to surface with him in it,...PLAYS ZEPPELIN. So,...does Jimmy and the rest of them have the right to feel betrayed? If I were Jimmy, I would!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 It isn't that I'm disappointed that Robert doesn't want to return. It's his life and his choice. It's the blatant hypocrisy of him continually saying that Zeppelin is done and over, that he has moved on,..yet every band that seems to surface with him in it,...PLAYS ZEPPELIN. So,...does Jimmy and the rest of them have the right to feel betrayed? If I were Jimmy, I would!! He plays Zeppelin because it's a part of his musical history. Jimmy played Zep with Coverdale and did a whole tour playing Zep with the Black Crowes. I'm sure Jonesy played Zep at his shows. I don't really see a problem in any of the above situations. They all contributed to the music and to me there's nothing hypocritical about playing them as part of a set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirchzep27 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 As most have said, its much better to know whats going on! looking back at the show for ahmet ertegun in 07, that was a really cool experience, simply knowing that they were gonna get back and play that show. yeah the ticket lottery circus was a sideshow and the show was delayed. but the fact that they had planned to play and when it was coming together and wasnt a secret.... that was a great thing. I really thought things were possibly leading towards a new led zeppelin project in 09. it looked like it would make basic sense after the great show in 07, the marketing of led zep material and mention of new material by -page. i really look forward to any new material/projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James McGregor Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 He plays Zeppelin because it's a part of his musical history. Jimmy played Zep with Coverdale and did a whole tour playing Zep with the Black Crowes. I'm sure Jonesy played Zep at his shows. I don't really see a problem in any of the above situations. They all contributed to the music and to me there's nothing hypocritical about playing them as part of a set. I understand that. The point I am making is that the rest of the band are rehearsing for a potential Zeppelin tour and Plant says he isn't interested, yet continues to play Zep tunes. If he isn't interested, why play Zep tunes to begin with. I still see it like a slap in the face. After all they aren't just Robert Plant tunes. They are Led Zeppelin tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James McGregor Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 But who knows. Maybe Page said if you don't do it, we will replace you,..to which Robert could have thought, hah I have already done it. Beats me,..I don't hang in that circle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullyLedded Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 This just in.....Plant To Change His Mind Tomorrow, Or The Next Day, Or Next Month, Or Next Year Source.....Allison Krauss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IluvJimmyPage Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Just happy to have witnessed the legend that was LED ZEPPELIN I'll drink to that one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert's Plant Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 If you look at Page over the past 25 or so years you will see that when he is "on" he is great. When he is "off", not so great. Right now, he is on. At his age he may never be on again. This is sad, because it would have been awesome to see what he and Plant could have done together with Jones and Bonham. It would have probably been special. I see this as the last shot that never happened. I would have hoped that Plant would have realized this and for Rock history done another album. They would not have had to tour. But, go out with a new album...........now that would have been awesome. Nice post. Even if I'm not personally crazy about a tour, I admit I think a new album would have remade rock history - however great the pressure it might have put on them. What is and what will never be. Thankfully O2 happened at all - seems that's now the icing on their cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 This just in.....Plant To Change His Mind Tomorrow, Or The Next Day, Or Next Month, Or Next Year I don't trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James McGregor Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 If you look at Page over the past 25 or so years you will see that when he is "on" he is great. When he is "off", not so great. Right now, he is on. At his age he may never be on again. This is sad, because it would have been awesome to see what he and Plant could have done together with Jones and Bonham. It would have probably been special. I see this as the last shot that never happened. I would have hoped that Plant would have realized this and for Rock history done another album. They would not have had to tour. But, go out with a new album...........now that would have been awesome. Absolutely correct. I have to admit, having seen Page over the years,..ARMS '83 (very brave but very rusty), Detroit '88 (raring to go but just fell short), Toronto '95 (very good but still needed second guitar to make it happen). But O2. I couldn't believe he played that well. Shades of '77 or even '75. Jimmy Page has something to prove because being the perfectionist he is, he knows since the end of Zeppelin his reputation was Zeppelin, and there ain't nothing wrong with that at all, but he has taken some flack since and probably feels his reputation has carried himself more than he would like. And he isn't stupid. He knows that not only will a hot tour with comparisons to Zeppelins heyday be running rampant, the money and glory can and will change music again, like In Through The Out Door and the demise of disco, and salvaging a slumping record industry which all is ,...deja vu again but with fluff instead of disco ruling the charts. He will go out. And Robert will make his grand appearance to show the world who's the boss, one more time. It's in their blood. Thay can't not do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James McGregor Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 But it just wont work if they try and call it Led Zeppelin without Plant. Cant do it. If they go out there with another singer they cant call it Led Zeppelin. I have to wonder if Jimmy will take the chance to cheapen Zeppelin to the point where some people feel alienated because of it. If he thinks his fan base, led Zeps fan base won't care, then I imagine he will do it. But it may come off as shady and preconceived and overly commercial if it doesn't live up to expectations and that will blow the whole aura surrounding Led Zeppelin as far as I'm concerned. The mystique is still thick as molasses and it isn't lost on anyone young or older. I'm afraid going out with a replacement is risking a 40 year reputation,..to some degree. Or even more if they do go out with someone like Dave Grohl. Good Lord, if that happened Led Zep would lose a lot of respect from alot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanelectroGod Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 As much as I wanted it, I have to trust Robert. None of us were there when they got together again. Maybe it wasn't there for him musically. Perhaps Robert doesn't want to do a half-ass oldies show. I'm glad the '02 show took place for the right reason. It has to feel great knowing the demand is still strong as ever. But he was the one who made a career after Zeppelin. Look at all the money he turned away. He avoided Zeppelin for his first 4 albums after Zeppelin. I guess I've been hanging on false hope since 1986. But in the end, I think supporting each of the former members activities as I always have is the best route. Some will let this sour thier taste for Robert Plant of today. I hope people think twice about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I understand that. The point I am making is that the rest of the band are rehearsing for a potential Zeppelin tour and Plant says he isn't interested, yet continues to play Zep tunes. If he isn't interested, why play Zep tunes to begin with. I still see it like a slap in the face. After all they aren't just Robert Plant tunes. They are Led Zeppelin tunes. We'll have to agree to disagree here. He isn't interested in touring as Zep because he's done that but what's the deal to play Zep songs in concert. Is it just as much a slap in the face when Jimmy took the Black Crowes out on tour and did an entire concert of Zep tunes? Not sure I see what the problem is. Certainly Plant could have a change of heart when he is done with this project. I'm not happy with him though. And I'm very disappointed in him. Does he not understand how much his fans want this to happen? Does he really think his work with Krauss is going to reach anywhere near the number of fans that Led Zeppelin would? Wake up Robert! If not for your fans, for Jimmy! I don't think Robert is interested in making music for the sake of lining his pockets with money or he'd have reunited with Zep a long time ago. It's more about the experiences of being in different musical environments. I think he is very aware how much fans want this and I don't think his decision is meant as a "screw you" type thing but ultimately it's his life and he needs to do what he feels is right for him. It's not about hurting Jimmy or anyone really. I'd rather he not do it than go through the motions with his heart not in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanelectroGod Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Well, in Jimmy defense, Robert bailed on him before the proposed Clarksdale dates in Asia, and Jimmy was playing his best in my opinion, live that is, since his Zeppelin days. And Jimmy doesn't go around saying he isn't interested in living musically in the past, then perform the songs in his current projects. The funny thing is, no matter what he does people will bitch. If he did do a reunion, people will whine that he can't hit the high notes. News flash, how many things can you do at 60 the same way you could at 25? People need to get over it, put in something from the catalog or bootleg, and get you fix. Bonzo was just as important as any of the other three. Would the Beatles be the Beatles if Paul and Ringo tour? And looking at it for myself, it cheapens the Who for me seeing Roger and Pete whoring out the Who name. Good for Robert. Too bad Jimmy waited this late in the game to put something together involving Jonsey. I hope they do something, but I kinda doubt that will happen. I think they were counting on Robert and given Jimmy's track record, he will continue to hang on hopes of Robert changing his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I'll drink to that one!! Me too ah, who's buying ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzepfan Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Maybe he could have a heart and suck it up and give us a few shows? It's not like he didn't enjoy the 02 or that it's not enjoyable to play with them. or is it? And I just can't imagine how the other guys feel. We're all healthy, able and all but one unwilling. It really makes me wonder, is it really that bad playing with these guys? Has your taste and direction changed that much that you won't even do a few shows to please the masses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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