More bad times ahead

[Rock Action]

I know what you mean. In California there is a ballot measure that will define marriage between a MAN and WOMAN. If that measure doesn't pass, then we may be stuck with a law that permits individuals to justify their personal choice to of behavior, and then make the rest of us accept it as normal.

Very scary indeed.

Yep.

Just wait 5 years. Marrying farm animals, beer cans, Jeeps, etc. will be legal too.

[Lake of Shadows]

Yep.

Just wait 5 years. Marrying farm animals, beer cans, Jeeps, etc. will be legal too.

I doubt that... those things can't give 'consent'... but I wouldn't be completely surprised if there would be a push for 'plural marriage' to be legalized.

edited for grammatical oopses.

[Zepaholic]

Well we all know about the financial crisis and we don't yet know how much that is going to have an impact on our lives in the future

But if that's not enough to worry about there's more things on the horizon:

Possible Israeli Strike on Iran

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/c...icle4926251.ece

Well there's speculation that Israel will launch a military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities before December, as that's when Iran's reactor is supposed to go online. Speculation has it that Israel is contemplating the strike too before Bush retires from office to guarantee US support.

Pakistan could possibly fall prey to the Taliban

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...0/10/do1003.xml

The economic crisis in Pakistan smells like a winner for the Taliban. Pakistani President Asif Ali Zadari says the country is quickly going bankrupt and will not be able to keep fighting the Taliban for much longer. With growing levels of sympathy in Pakistan for the Taliban, Zadari fears that without a influx of cash, the Taliban could take over.

Failure of Afghanistan and the possibility of a Taliban deal

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8...=rss-topstories

Well it looks like things are not working out too well in Afghanistan, and the unthinkable is being suggested: peace talks with the Taliban.

From the violent religious sect that gave us 9/11, comes more trouble and woe. 7 years of war, billions of dollars later, and not only are the Taliban still around, strong as ever, but are now looking to get a slice of Afghanistan back and possible control of Pakistan...

So does this mean more state-sponsored terrorism is back on the cards?

Obviously walking away and leaving the Taliban to their own devices is not an option, but we desperately need a new strategy in that part of the world. The fact that a multi-national highly equipped and experienced armed force has been fighting them since 2001 without defeating them is great news for them and bad news for us.

Remember, the Soviets were in there for 10 years before pulling out with nothing gained. We've got 7 years under our belt already.

What can we do next?

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Excuse me while i go fall on a sword....

[I have got a horsey]

I really hope your not talking about Pakistan because that is very false.

I was, but this is all pure speculation.

Why do you say it's false?

[Zepaholic]

I was, but this is all pure speculation.

Why do you say it's false?

Well, for one thing Pakistan has nukes. You really don't think that any power country would stand idlely by and watch the Taliban take over Pakistans nuclear arsenal?

Any country with a nuclear arms will NOT be taken over by anybody...ever. If Pakistan did not have the capacity to protect it's nukes then Russia, the US, China or all 3 would step in immediately.

[Rock Action]

Yep.

Just wait 5 years. Marrying farm animals, beer cans, Jeeps, etc. will be legal too.

I doubt that... those things can't give 'consent'... but I wouldn't be completely surprised if there would be a push for 'plural marriage' to be legalized.

edited for grammatical oopses.

On the other hand, those things can't say no either.

I know what you mean though.

[Juliet]

And this is why we have rock and roll to help us cope with all "the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune"...

I know those are Hamlet's words ..He knew trouble, sadness, fear.....but kept going...and delt with alot of s*** when he wanted to be elsewhere...

Juliet

[wanna be drummer]

I was, but this is all pure speculation.

Why do you say it's false?

Becuase Pakistan's military is a lot stronger than Al-Qaeda, it has nuclear capabilities, and Al-Qaeda is nowhere near the "verge" of taking over the government. Not even close (as of right now).

[I have got a horsey]

Becuase Pakistan's military is a lot stronger than Al-Qaeda, it has nuclear capabilities, and Al-Qaeda is nowhere near the "verge" of taking over the government. Not even close (as of right now).

I don't know if strength really has anything to do with it, well especially not with what we've seen over the last few years. The US army is the strongest, best equipped military in the world, so why isn't the Taliban out of Afghanistan yet if it's just a question of strength?

[Dzldoc]

I don't know if strength really has anything to do with it, well especially not with what we've seen over the last few years. The US army is the strongest, best equipped military in the world, so why isn't the Taliban out of Afghanistan yet if it's just a question of strength?

Because they aren't using the real strength!

[wanna be drummer]

I don't know if strength really has anything to do with it, well especially not with what we've seen over the last few years. The US army is the strongest, best equipped military in the world, so why isn't the Taliban out of Afghanistan yet if it's just a question of strength?

Strength has everything to do with it. How else can they capture the country as you say?

They can't. First, it would take an overthrown Pakistani government. They can only do that by conquering it militarily, which they will never be able to do. Only a handful of world governments could even do that, let alone a terrorist group..

As far as America goes, Taliban isn't ruling the country...they're there, but they aren't ruling anything.

[Ned_Devine]

I doubt that... those things can't give 'consent'... but I wouldn't be completely surprised if there would be a push for 'plural marriage' to be legalized.

edited for grammatical oopses.

What's wrong with 'plural marriage?' If gays could/can get married, marriage is essentially no longer defined as 1 man and 1 woman.

[I have got a horsey]

Strength has everything to do with it. How else can they capture the country as you say?

They can't. First, it would take an overthrown Pakistani government. They can only do that by conquering it militarily, which they will never be able to do. Only a handful of world governments could even do that, let alone a terrorist group..

Not necessarily. If the Taliban winds up with public support then it's a completely different situation.

[I have got a horsey]

What's wrong with 'plural marriage?' If gays could/can get married, marriage is essentially no longer defined as 1 man and 1 woman.

Well I don't see why bigamy should actually be a crime, I think it should be more of a contractual issue.

[zepyep]

[Hi all,

quote name='I have got a horsey' date='Oct 18 2008, 02:23 PM' post='271330']

Well I don't see why bigamy should actually be a crime, I think it should be more of a contractual issue.

[wanna be drummer]

Not necessarily. If the Taliban winds up with public support then it's a completely different situation.

They don't have the publics support...

[Medhb]

What's wrong with 'plural marriage?' If gays could/can get married, marriage is essentially no longer defined as 1 man and 1 woman.

Two Husbands are Better than One.

This is Medhb and I approve this message.

[Medhb]

Exactly, great picture too, the reason the terrorist aren't done with is because 1. the goverment does NOT know how to fight a war I could do a better job myself, 2. people don't get how evil these people are (Taliban) and that we are fighting to destroy it, 3. The world must recongnize this evil and fight it, NOW is the time the world cannot wait. Let me garantee everyone this if I were the commander in chief the war would have been over in a matter of months and the Taliban gone.

We kinda missed that train doncha think?

[Medhb]

1. No you couldnt.

2. "people don't get how evil these people are (USA) and that they (Taliban) are fighting to destroy you",

3. "The world must recongnize this evil and fight it, NOW is the time the world cannot wait. Let me garantee everyone this if I were the commander in chief the war would have been over in a matter of months and the Taliban gone".

The world does recognize that the USA is the real evil one, and the world will not give up the fight untill you are destroyed. And if you were the CIC of the war then even more innocent civilians would most certainly have been killed on your orders and the war would have dragged on for an eternity, or indeed forever.

You seem to have no concept of War, or how to either give up gracefully or win it militarily. The USA does not have the stomach for a long war as does backward countryies like Iraq/Afghanistan or indeed Vietnam. The fact that you gave up in Vietnam told the world that as the bodybags mount up your resolve dwindles, all they have to do to defeat you is play the waiting game. They can take much more punnishment than you, much, much more in fact.

The only things you need to know are these,

1. You are a cowardly country as far as your enemy is concerned.

2. They will never give up as they know that their God/Allah, is on their side.

3. Leave the third world alone and stop trying to control the economy and recources of the world.

4. Change from you reliance on Oil and stare to rely on reliably renewable energy sources like Wind/SolarPower/Wave/Thermal energy, and i am sure that the world will see you in a much better light, they just might even see you as friends. You must get over this 19th century way of thinking that you can treat the world like you treated the Red Indian. Britain/France/USSR/China have, and in some cases still do, behave in an Imperialistic way, dont make the mistake of following them, you will lose, believe me.

Regards, Danny

PS, Believe it or not, i am on your side, these are just my thoughts on what is really going on.

Thank you for having the balls to say it Danny. Americans just want to keep their heads in the sand and in doing so our asses are fully exposed.

I totally agree with every word you wrote. And that's why I am voting Democrat. I dont' know where the Repubs think they're getting the money to fund full warfare with the Middle East....maybe the top five percent will donate their tax cuts to the war effort.

[Dzldoc]

Two Husbands are Better than One.

This is Medhb and I approve this message.

"Move over Rover let the Dzl take over"

[Medhb]

Strength has everything to do with it. How else can they capture the country as you say?

They can't. First, it would take an overthrown Pakistani government. They can only do that by conquering it militarily, which they will never be able to do. Only a handful of world governments could even do that, let alone a terrorist group..

As far as America goes, Taliban isn't ruling the country...they're there, but they aren't ruling anything.

Pakistan is not a very stable country. They are struggling to control Islamist militants, many of whom are located in the tribal areas adjacent to the border with Afghanistan. They also are often at odds with India and the Pakistani government is also faced with a deteriorating economy as foreign exchange reserves decline, the currency depreciates, and the current account deficit widens.

Asif Ali Zardari's appointment has been controversial due to the nature in which he was sworn in and there have been accusations of money laundering.

Maybe India can go in and take care of the dirty work, at least they are our allies (for now)

[Medhb]

"Move over Rover let the Dzl take over"

Don't worry...there are enough 'Honey Do' lists to go around

[wanna be drummer]

Pakistan is not a very stable country. They are struggling to control Islamist militants, many of whom are located in the tribal areas adjacent to the border with Afghanistan. They also are often at odds with India and the Pakistani government is also faced with a deteriorating economy as foreign exchange reserves decline, the currency depreciates, and the current account deficit widens.

Asif Ali Zardari's appointment has been controversial due to the nature in which he was sworn in and there have been accusations of money laundering.

Maybe India can go in and take care of the dirty work, at least they are our allies (for now)

It may not be stable but the peopel don't want Al-Qaeda or Taliban running the country and they're already fighting back. If it came down to it, I'm sure Pakistan would attack the terrorists full-force if they felt they were that threatened.

[I have got a horsey]

They don't have the publics support...

You don't know that.

[wanna be drummer]

You don't know that.

If they did, the tribes wouldn't be fighting them would they?