Mercurious Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 BBC TV reported this morning that the tour would go ahead next year and he was sure that the new singer to play with Jimmy, John and Jason was, Myles Kennedy from Alterbridge. Heres a clip of Alterbridge doing a cover of 'Kashmir'. A bit more 'Guns & Roses than 'Zep' Typical Nu-metal shyte. Bands like this have no credibility even in the context of their own post-grunge myth. Cripes, Kennedy sounds like Eddie Vedder and Scott Weiland at a crack party. If you're kicking around with fools like this Jimmy, please, please think better of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurious Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I really think some of you need to lighten up. Isn't music really about giving people enjoyment and entertainment? Can't we just enjoy whatever it is that they do? Why does it have to be compared to what Led Zep did before? Isn't this a new year? A new century even? How does anything they do now affect the past? I see no validity in this argument made by several posters. Do we look at the Rolling Stones and rate them a substandard group because they tour playing their old songs? I for one, do not. I am not a big fan of them, but I still rate them as one of the best bands of my generation. ooh, that's not a good comparison. Robert is Mick!!! Only after a lot of tears and anger did Keith put the expensive winos together and strike out on tour without Mick!!! And with Jimmy, we're talking about the Miles Davis of rock, reuniting finally with his arranger match, John Paul. I don't speak for anyone of course, but the hope is for something mindblowingly imaginative and powerful, this last being a guarantee because I don't think Jason can do anything but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zooma Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Typical Nu-metal shyte. Bands like this have no credibility even in the context of their own post-grunge myth. Cripes, Kennedy sounds like Eddie Vedder and Scott Weiland at a crack party. If you're kicking around with fools like this Jimmy, please, please think better of it. Give Jimmy and JPJ the benefit of the doubt. Have they together, been foolish in their decisions regarding music with their names prominent? If they were, this would be the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 This is one of the few comments I agree with on this forum wholeheartedly. Its true -- if Plant's heart is not into it, then he shouldn't be forced into it. I say carry on without Plant and get Led Zep back on tour! Get a singer and lets get this show on the road. My hat goes off to the three J's for having the guts and foritude to move forward with this. Rock on guys! I agree that it should be in his heart to do it and he should not be forced. For me personally, I just happen to think he is making a mistake. No attempt here to force him into anything except to say I think he should reconsider his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TortoiseGeek Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I agree that it should be in his heart to do it and he should not be forced. For me personally, I just happen to think he is making a mistake. No attempt here to force him into anything except to say I think he should reconsider his decision. Yet writing an 'open letter' to Robert on the official board is, in your misguided opinion, supposed to force his hand. You need to sit back, read what you have written on this board and reflect. Do you seriously think that you will have any sway on his decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yet writing an 'open letter' to Robert on the official board is, in your misguided opinion, supposed to force his hand. You need to sit back, read what you have written on this board and reflect. Do you seriously think that you will have any sway on his decision? Keeping in mind that Leos are known for being stubborn about getting their own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yet writing an 'open letter' to Robert on the official board is, in your misguided opinion, supposed to force his hand. You need to sit back, read what you have written on this board and reflect. Do you seriously think that you will have any sway on his decision? Not so much force his hand as much as hoping he may reconsider. Listen TG, If your the type of person who just sits back and never questions anything then that's your perogative. I'm not, never have been. I am and will continue to be someone who is not affraid to ask the question. Misguided ??? This is a Zeppelin message board is it not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TortoiseGeek Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Not so much force his hand as much as hoping he may reconsider. Listen TG, If your the type of person who just sits back and never questions anything then that's your perogative. I'm not, never have been. I am and will continue to be someone who is not affraid to ask the question. Misguided ??? This is a Zeppelin message board is it not Ally, I am questioning you. Your comprehension skills are clearly very weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Ally, I am questioning you. Your comprehension skills are clearly very weak. Well, what do you expect from a High School dropout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurious Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Give Jimmy and JPJ the benefit of the doubt. Have they together, been foolish in their decisions regarding music with their names prominent? If they were, this would be the first time. I hold out the highest hopes for Jimmy Page, always. But you have to admit, Kennedy and Altered Creed doing Kashmir is kinda frightening. I think Page-Coverdale was a huge mistake, given the changes that were occuring within the music industry (GnR, Janes, Sonic Youth, Black Crowes). Jimmy then laid low, mining the Led Zep vaults while Neil Young did the work of bringing up the new generation of alt-bands, not that Pearl Jam was ever an alt-band since a couple of them played with Mark Arm and Steve Turner in Green River. Since then, I've been so pleased with the more interesting and even daring combinations he's been involved with, Jonesy too. 1) Jonesy producing the Buttholes Surfers' "Independent Worm Saloon" 2) Page taking over Puff Daddy's Kashmir project - their performance on Saturday Night Live w/ mini orchestra is incendiary 3) Steve Albini from Big Black, Touch and Go records [Jesus Lizard, Die Kreuzen] and later In Utero and his own band, Shellac engineering Walking to Clarksdale. Brilliant 4) Jimmy and the Crowes was the best concert I've ever seen (never saw Zep) 5) Jimmy Page and Leona Lewis at the Olympics - he wrote the entire 8-minute piece, and she was brilliant. Great job, tough gig. To do all that work on the cutting edge, then to fall back with this guy from a band that, as I said before, has lousy context within its own myth, who sounds to me like Eddie Vedder on crack, would be an extremely disappointing move by the Miles Davis of rock - which is what Jimmy is. I hope for the best but fear the worst. Makes me wanta watch a Big Black video. Steve Albini, the engineer/producer of Walking to Clarksdale is the guy in the middle wearing the blood-drenched Die Kreuzen t-shirt. Albini cut his hand in the middle of the show and just kept wiping blood on the shirt. By the time they get to "Kerosene" the white Die Kreuzen shirt had become red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TortoiseGeek Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Well, what do you expect from a High School dropout Comprehension is taught in primary school. Don't use your education as an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Comprehension is taught in primary school. Don't use your education as an excuse. Get to the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurious Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Comprehension is taught in primary school. Don't use your education as an excuse. TortoiseGeek, far be it from me to tell you what to do, but instead picking at Ally, try this link. "Nothing to do, got Kerosene around." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 In passing--Jimmy Page and Miles Davis, huge fans as I am of both, seem radically different to me, and I don't just mean in genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 In passing--Jimmy Page and Miles Davis, huge fans as I am of both, seem radically different to me, and I don't just mean in genre. Miles,,,ahhh. Time to throw on Bitches Brew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurious Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Miles,,,ahhh. Time to throw on Bitches Brew. I'm reaching for Sketches of Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 I'm reaching for Sketches of Spain. Alright ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurious Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 In passing--Jimmy Page and Miles Davis, huge fans as I am of both, seem radically different to me, and I don't just mean in genre. Hmm, yes but it was Carlos Santana, not me, who once said that it was Jimmy Page who "took what Jimi was doing with guitar compositions and brought it to the next level." The level Page brought it to has seldom been reached since, if ever. Carlos was talking about the composition of the solo in addition to song, where Page in Zeppelin had no equal. But it's more than that -- Led Zeppelin live was very much like a jazz band, a metallic jazz band, especially on things like Dazed. And maybe only Neil Young has done more than Page to complete the evolution of electric guitar from the Clapton/Santana/BB King idea of it being like a horn to the more modern concept of being an electronic noise maker (the Sonic Youth evolution). I realize you're just passing by on this thread, but the influence of Jimmy Page reached everybody from Eddie Van Halen to Johnny Ramone to Thurston and Lee to Kirk Hammet. He's a figure at least approaching Miles stature in his genre, is he not? If you were to hang me on the word composition, then maybe Jimmy is the Duke Ellington of rock, not Miles, but I think Jimmy's sensibilities are closer to Miles' than Hendrix's were, in a way. Lo' and behold, that's sure arguable, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepaholic Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yet writing an 'open letter' to Robert on the official board is, in your misguided opinion, supposed to force his hand. You need to sit back, read what you have written on this board and reflect. Do you seriously think that you will have any sway on his decision? SHe already said that it was not meant to force anything. That aside, it was an emotional release...a way to express her opinion. There is/was nothing misguided whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5ymo Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I just dont understand Robert's reluctance to the project and tour. Yeah, it's not 1977 any more, and I'm not 15 either...we are all older, but our love for the music of Zeppelin is probably stronger now than it was back then too. Zeppelin still have a place in society today, so c'mon mate, join the boys and record / tour...if not for the money, for the people?? I'll be honest, I bought the Robert / Allison CD, and although it may ring the bell of some people, it didn't ring mine. I think Robert is capable of good old rock, but only he knows whether he wants to do it or if Zeppelin still 'rings HIS bell'...perhaps he has moved on musically from the blues and Zeppelin, and if he has, BRING ON THE NEW GUY. I have to accept, that creative people change...and Robert may just be doing that, like a painter, styles and influences change them. I am not that creative, so can't speak from any experience...just that I love my ROCK and live with what my favorite bands put out for us, the fans. Hope to see you all on the tour...I will be the one throwing my fist in the air screaming "YEAH"...like I was 15 again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidLed Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yes, a purpose, at the moment. I disagree about not having a purpose. Here's why, there is a huge number of us who came of age just as Zep was ending, I'm not talking about people who were not alive when they were together, I'm talking about those of us who were just on the cusp, like 12,13,14,15 right around 1978-1980. we all were into Zep loved Zep and were dying to see Zep, but were just a little too young. Now, check out a HS yr book in the states from the 80's, at least in my area (NorthEast) class of 82,83,84,85,86,87,88 Favorite band: LED ZEPPELIN!!!!!! Whats my point? My point is this:Many of us have gone to Plants solo tours and bought his albums, WHY: Because we thought his solo album was great? NO! Because we hoped to hear something like Zep!! We went to the concerts WHY: Because we wanted to hear Zep! And there were plenty of ticked off people who went when he refused to play Zep on a few early tours! many of who will still not go see him! Now add into the mix tons of younger folks who now love Zep because an older brother or sister or parent turned them on to it, and have the courage in this day and age not to have their pants falling down and listen to rap garbage, in the face of teasing for it which I have witnessed w/ my own young nephew. Zeppelin is loved on a whole different level than any other rock band ever, and it has nothing to do with the idea that they split when John died. Its the music stupid! And the imagery, Its the whole idea of them doing it there way and screw the critics, its the bombast and the in your face riffs! the purpose is right there for you, WE ALL LOVE YOU !!! AND YOU WOULD HAVE NOTHING AND BE NOBODY W/O ZEP(ROBERT), NO MANSION, NO FREEDOM TO GO ANYWHERE ANYTIME, NO RECORDING CONTRACT, EVERYTHING IS DUE TO LED ZEPPELIN! JIMMY GAVE YOU A HUGE BREAK WHEN YOU WERE PLAYING IN NOTHING BANDS, HE NEEDS YOU JUST ONE MORE TIME! The 02 was great but not attainable for the average Zep fan, one LAST small tour, play whatever the hell you want (NO STAiRWAY, NO WHOlE Lotta) and then you can go on to your elevator music and we will let it go. THATS HOW I FEEL PERIOD, Let the attacks begin!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I went to see Robert on his solo tours (all of them) because I loved his solo albums (all of them). He doesn't have a mansion. And you have NO IDEA where he would be without Zeppelin. No-one does. This idea that he would have just disappeared - when he was already a local phenomenon - is preposterous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Bashing Robert was certainly not the intention of this thread. I honestly thought that with all the other threads that already had there share of that, this one might be different. Maybe I should have just started a petition and those in agreement that he may be making a mistake could sign it. Either way, the jist of this thread was to suggest that he may just wish to have a rethink. Kinda like I am right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I disagree about not having a purpose. This music is in the past. It becomes something new whenever anyone tries to revive it, and will never be the same again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Mercurious--yes, Miles and Jimmy are comparable in stature and influence, I agree. Disagree about their sensibilities totally, though. Miles's improv was always totally controlled and tight, Jimmy's exactly the opposite--could go in amazing directions, could be a total trainwreck. Same with his playing in general--one minute all over the place, next minute absolutely on, more so than any other rock guitarist. That wasn't Miles at all. (With you both on Sketches of Spain, though. ) KidLed--seems you keep saying some variant on "Let the attacks begin!!!" We have enough fights here, without people actually provoking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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