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Even though we disagree on the back-masking matter, we actually have a lot of common ground concerning this issue. I also believe that Jimmy's fascination with Thelema and specifically Crowley, had a big influence on his life and the music. Your detailed explanation of "the Banning Ritual" during "Dazed and Confused" is a perfect example of that. I also find the whole issue of "Satanism" as a huge stumbling block that impedes folks from looking at the available circumstantial evidence in an objective way. That the whole issue of back masking was exploited by Christian fundamentalists at one point doesn't make that any easier. It also doesn't help the issue that Crowley himself used other's fear of Satanism as a tool to either get a rise out of them, or just to help draw attention to himself.

Even though I believe a message exists in one verse in "Stairway", I in no way believe Jimmy's motivation was to sell anyone's soul. In fact, I don't believe in the existence of Satan, God, Horus, ghosts, or the boogey man (or is that boogie man ? :D ), so let's forget that personal angle. My point is that if Jimmy was such a follower of Crowley that he was willing to put a message on the run-off of Zep III....if he was willing to buy a Crowley house....if he was motivated enough to be the second largest collector of his artifacts in the world....if he was motivated enough to play dress-up with Crowley outfits....if he was motivated enough to start the Equinox bookstore, then he was motivated enough to put a reverse message on "Stairway", just as Crowley specifically asked his followers to do in "Magick in Theory & Practice".

Crowley's mention of learning backwards walking, talking, etc, is a mind-training exercise for the adept. It has nothing to do with sending hidden messages.

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000. May be.

(00. It has not been possible to construct this book on a basis of pure Scepticism. This matters less, as the practice leads to scepticism, and it may be through it.)

0. This book is not intended to lead to the supreme attainment. On the contrary, its results define the separate being of the Exempt Adept from the rest of the Universe, and discover his relation to the Universe.<>

1. It is of such importance to the Exempt Adept that We cannot overrate it. Let him in no wise adventure the plunge into the Abyss until he has accomplished this to his most perfect satisfaction.<>

2. For in the Abyss no effort is anywise possible. The Abyss is passed by virtue of the mass of the Adept and his Karma. Two forces impel him: (1) the attraction of Binah, (2) the impulse of his Karma; and the ease and even the safety of his passage depend on the strength and direction of the latter.<>

3. Should one rashly dare the passage, and take the irrevocable Oath of the Abyss, he might be lost therein through Aeons of incalculable agony; he might even be thrown back upon Chesed, with the terrible Karma of failure added to his original imperfection.

4. It is even said that in certain circumstances it is possible to {415} fall altogether from the Tree of Life and to attain the Towers of the Black Brothers. But We hold that this is not possible for any adept who has truly attained his grade, or even for any man who has really sought to help humanity even for a single second<>, and that although his aspiration have been impure through vanity or any similar imperfections.

5. Let then the Adept who finds the result of these meditations unsatisfactory refuse the Oath of the Abyss, and live so that his Karma gains strength and direction suitable to the task at some future period.<>

6. Memory is essential to the individual consciousness; otherwise the mind were but a blank sheet on which shadows are cast. But we see that not only does the mind retain impressions, but that it is so constituted that its tendency is to retain some more excellently than others. Thus the great classical scholar, Sir Richard Jebb, was unable to learn even the schoolboy mathematics required for the preliminary examination at Cambridge University, and a special Grace<> of the authorities was required in order to admit him.

7. The first method to be described has been detailed in Bhikkhu Ananda Metteya's "Training of the Mind" (Equinox I, 5, pp. 28-59, and especially pp. 48-57). We have little to alter or to add. Its most important result as regards the Oath of the Abyss, is the freedom from all desire or clinging to anything which it gives. Its second result is to aid the adept in the second method, by supplying him with further data for his investigation.<>

8. The stimulation of memory useful in both practices is also achieved by simple meditation (Liber E), in a certain stage of which old memories arise unbidden. The adept may then practise this, stopping at this stage, and encouraging instead of suppressing the flashes of memory.

9. Zoroaster has said, "Explore the River of the Soul, whence {416} or in what order you have come; so that although you have become a servant to the body, you may again rise to that Order (the A.'. A.'.) from which you descended, joining Works (Kamma) to the Sacred Reason (the Tao)".

10. The Result of the Second Method is to show the Adept to what end his powers are destined. When he has passed the Abyss and becomes Nemo, the return of the current causes him "to appear in the Heaven of Jupiter as a morning star or as an evening star".<> In other words he should discover what may be the nature of his work. Thus Mohammed was a Brother reflected into Netzach, Buddha a Brother reflected into Hod, or, as some say, Daath. The present manifestation of Frater P. to the outer is in Tiphereth, to the inner in the path of Leo.

II. "First Method." Let the Exempt Adept first train himself to think backwards by external means, as set forth here following. ---

(a) Let him learn to write backwards, with either hand.

(b ) Let him learn to walk backwards.

© Let him constantly watch, if convenient, cinematograph

films, and listen to phonograph records, reversed,

and let him so accustom himself to these that they

appear natural and appreciable as a whole.

(d) Let him practise speaking backwards: thus for "I am

He" let him say, "Eh ma I".

(e) Let him learn to read backwards. In this it is difficult to

avoid cheating one's self, as an expert reader sees a

a sentence at a glance. Let his disciple read aloud to

him backwards, slowly at first, then more quickly.

(f) Of his own ingenium, let him devise other methods.

12. In this his brain will at first be overwhelmed by a sense of utter confusion; secondly, it will endeavour to evade the difficulty by a trick. The brain will pretend to be working backwards when {417} it is merely normal. It is difficult to describe the nature of the trick, but it will be quite obvious to anyone who has done practices (a) and (b ) for a day or two. They become quite easy, and he will think that he is making progress, an illusion which close analysis will dispel.

13. Having begun to train his brain in this manner and obtained some little success, let the Exempt Adept, seated in his Asana, think first of his present attitude, next of the act of being seated, next of his entering the room, next of his robing, etc. exactly as it happened. And let him most strenuously endeavour to think each act as happening backwards. It is not enough to think, "I am seated here, and before that I was standing, and before that I entered the room", etc. That series is the trick detected in the preliminary practices. The series must not run "ghi-def-abc" but "ihgfedcba": not "horse a is this" but "esroh a si siht". To obtain this thoroughly well, practice © is very useful. The brain will be found to struggle constantly to right itself, soon accustoming itself to accept "esroh" as merely another glyph for "horse". This tendency must be constantly combated.

14. In the early stages of this practice, the endeavour should be to meticulous minuteness of detail in remembering actions; for the brain's habit of thinking forward will at first be insuperable. Thinking of large and complex actions, then, will give a series which we may symbolically write "opqrstu-hijklmn-abcdefg". If these be split into detail, we shall have "stu-pqr-o-mn-kl-hij-fg-cde-ab" which is much nearer to the ideal "utsrqponmlkjihgfedcba". 15. Capacities differ widely, but the Exempt Adept need have no reason to be discouraged if after a month's continuous labour he find that now and again for a few seconds his brain really works backwards.

16. The Exempt Adept should concentrate his efforts upon obtaining a perfect picture of five minutes backwards rather than upon extending the time covered by his meditation. For this preliminary training of the brain is the Pons Asinorum of the whole process.

17. This five minutes' exercise being satisfactory, the Exempt Adept may extend the same at his discretion to cover an hour, a {418} day, a week, and so on. Difficulties vanish before him as he advances; the extension from a day to the course of his whole life will not prove so difficult as the perfecting of the five minutes.

18. This practice should be repeated at least four times daily, and progress is shown firstly by the ever easier running of the brain, secondly by the added memories which arise.

19. It is useful to reflect during this practice, which in time becomes almost mechanical, upon the way in which effects spring from causes. This aids the mind to link its memories, and prepares the adept for the preliminary practice of the second method.

20. Having allowed the mind to return for some hundred times to the hour of birth, it should be encouraged to endeavour to penetrate beyond that period.<> If it be properly trained to run backwards, there will be little difficulty in doing this, although it is one of the distinct steps in the practice.

21. It may be then that the memory will persuade the adept of some previous existence. Where this is possible, let it be checked by an appeal to facts, as follows: ---

22. It often occurs to men that on visiting a place to which they have never been, it appears familiar. This may arise from a confusion of thought or a slipping of the memory, but it is conceivably a fact.

If, then, the adept "remember" that he was in a previous life in some city, say Cracow, which he has in this life never visited, let him describe from memory the appearance of Cracow, and of its inhabitants, setting down their names. Let him further enter into details of the city and its customs. And having done this with great minuteness, let him confirm the same by consultation with historians and geographers, or by a personal visit, remembering (both to the credit of his memory and its discredit) that historians, geographers, and himself are alike fallible. But let him not trust his memory, to assert its conclusions as fact, and act thereupon, without most adequate confirmation.

23. This process of checking his memory should be practised {419} with the earlier memories of childhood and youth by reference to the memories and records of others, always reflecting upon the fallibility even of such safeguards.

24. All this being perfected, so that the memory reaches back into aeons incalculably distant, let the Exempt Adept meditate upon the fruitlessness of all those years, and upon the fruit thereof, severing that which is transitory and worthless from that which is eternal. And it may be that he being but an Exempt Adept may hold all to be savourless and full of sorrow.

25. This being so, without reluctance will he swear the Oath of the Abyss.

26. "Second Method." --- Let the Exempt Adept, fortified by the practice of the first method, enter the preliminary practice of the second method.

27. "Second Method." --- Preliminary Practices. Let him, seated in his Asana, consider any event, and trace it to its immediate causes. And let this be done very fully and minutely. Here, for example, is a body erect and motionless. Let the adept consider the many forces which maintain it; firstly, the attraction of the earth, of the sun, of the planets, of the farthest stars, nay of every mote of dust in the room, one of which (could it be annihilated) would cause that body to move, although so imperceptibly. Also the resistance of the floor, the pressure of the air, and all other external conditions. Secondly, the internal forces which sustain it, the vast and complex machinery of the skeleton, the muscles, the blood, the lymph, the marrow, all that makes up a man. Thirdly the moral and intellectual forces involved, the mind, the will, the consciousness. Let him continue this with unremitting ardour, searching Nature, leaving nothing out.

28. Next, let him take one of the immediate causes of his position, and trace out its equilibrium. For example, the will. What determines the will to aid in holding the body erect and motionless?

29. This being discovered, let him choose one of the forces which determined his will, and trace out that in similar fashion; and let this process be continued for many days until the interdependence of all things is a truth assimilated in his inmost being. {420}

30. This being accomplished, let him trace his own history with special reference to the causes of each event. And in this practice he may neglect to some extent the universal forces which at all times act on all, as for example, the attraction of masses, and let him concentrate his attention upon the principal and determining or effective causes.

For instance, he is seated, perhaps, in a country place in Spain. Why? Because Spain is warm and suitable for meditation, and because cities are noisy and crowded. Why is Spain warm? and why does he wish to meditate? Why choose warm Spain rather than warm India? To the last question: Because Spain is nearer to his home. Then why is his home near Spain? Because his parents were Germans. And why did they go to Germany? And so during the whole meditation.

31. On another day, let him begin with a question of another kind, and every day devise new questions, not concerning his present situation, but also abstract questions. Thus let him connect the prevalence of water upon the surface of the globe with its necessity to such life as we know, with the specific gravity and other physical properties of water, and let him perceive ultimately through all this the necessity and concord of things, not concord as the schoolmen of old believed, making all things for man's benefit or convenience, but the essential mechanical concord whose final law is "inertia." And in these meditations let him avoid as if it were the plague any speculations sentimental or fantastic.

32. "Second Method." The Practice Proper. --- Having then perfected in his mind these conceptions, let him apply them to his own career, forging the links of memory into the chain of necessity.

And let this be his final question: To what purpose am I fitted? Of what service can my being prove to the Brothers of the A.'. A.'. if I cross the Abyss, and am admitted to the City of the Pyramids?

33. Now that he may clearly understand the nature of this question, and the method of solution, let him study the reasoning of the anatomist who reconstructs an animal from a single bone.

To take a simple example. ---

34. Suppose, having lived all my life among savages, a ship is {421} cast upon the shore and wrecked. Undamaged among the cargo is a "Victoria". What is its use? The wheels speak of roads, their slimness of smooth roads, the brake of hilly roads. The shafts show that it was meant to be drawn by an animal, their height and length suggest an animal of the size of a horse. That the carriage is open suggests a climate tolerable at any time of the year.<> The height of the box suggest crowded streets, or the spirited character of the animal employed to draw it. The cushions indicate its use to convey men rather than merchandise; its hood that rain sometimes falls, or that the sun is at times powerful. The springs would imply considerable skill in metals; the varnish much attainment in that craft.

35. Similarly, let the adept consider of his own case. Now that he is on the point of plunging into the Abyss a giant Why? confronts him with uplifted club.

36. There is no minutest atom of his composition which can be withdrawn without making him some other than he is; no useless moment in his past. Then what is his future? The "Victoria" is not a wagon; it is not intended for carting hay. It is not a sulky; it is useless in trotting races.

37. So the adept has military genius, or much knowledge of Greek; how do

these attainments help his purpose, or the purpose of the Brothers? He was

ut to death by Calvin, or stoned by Hezekiah; as a snake he was killed by a villager, or as an elephant slain in battle under Hamilcar. How do such memories help him? Until he have thoroughly mastered the reason for every incident in his past, and found a purpose for every item of his present equipment,<> he cannot truly answer even those Three Question what were first put to him, even the Three Questions of the Ritual of the Pyramid; he is not ready to swear the Oath of the Abyss.

38. But being thus enlightened, let him swear the Oath of the Abyss; yea, let him swear the Oath of the Abyss. {422}

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anyone with this oild chestnut has another piece of the story


wish i could upload it for ya

"satan..........because i live............my sweet satan"

basically some asswipe reading things that aren't there.........as someone said previously.........you can imagine lots of things if you play music backwards..........or listen to the wind at night.........or stare at the man in the moon

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Okay, whoever is reading this, I hope you can answer my question, but first, let me explain WHY I have this question. I might not even be the first, or the last, but I do need an answer.

On Youtube, there are many decipherings of Led Zeppelin's song "Stairway to Heaven" played backward. Well, I've heard so many that it angers me. It's amazing how they deciphered it that I just want to know:

In "Stairway to Heaven", is there a song called "Stairway to Hell" when it's played backward? If so, can you point me to a website or something similar that can show me some proof of such an answer?

Thanks for taking the time to read and hopefully answer this question.


Well, if you're trying to find out the best way to get to Hell....

I assume that Alice Cooper can tell you the way. :D

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How the hell did anybody even come to that conclusion. It amazes me that someone thought that stairway to heaven wasn't good enough to be played forwards. All this shit is just rumour and probably started out with the idea that Pagey was academically interested in Aleister Crowley and the occult.

And I also hear that if you recite the Greek alphabet backwards whilst standing on one leg and simultaneousy patting your belly and patting your head whilst listening to the rain song in midsummer it starts to snow.

What a load of bull shit.

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Whoever came up with this horseshit has clearly got too much time on their hands.

In my experience, people who claim to be satanists have a lot in common with those who claim to believe in a god, i.e. they're all mentally defective, insecure attention seekers in search of a non-disprovable power with which to scare other equally stupid people.

Which of the two camps is worse is a matter of opinion.

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Maybe Led Zeppelin should just go with a say; "yes we did that on purpose". Sort of like Alice Cooper's chicken incident:

Alice's version of the infamous "chicken" incident at the Toronto Rock n Roll festival in 1969 was that someone from the audience threw a chicken on-stage and Alice, thinking it could fly, threw it back over the audience expecting it to fly away. Instead, it fell into the crowd and the audience tore it apart. However, the next day, the headlines read: "Alice bites head off chicken and drinks blood". Frank Zappa told Alice not to deny this story because he said you can't buy this type of publicity!

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Okay, whoever is reading this, I hope you can answer my question, but first, let me explain WHY I have this question. I might not even be the first, or the last, but I do need an answer.

On Youtube, there are many decipherings of Led Zeppelin's song "Stairway to Heaven" played backward. Well, I've heard so many that it angers me. It's amazing how they deciphered it that I just want to know:

In "Stairway to Heaven", is there a song called "Stairway to Hell" when it's played backward? If so, can you point me to a website or something similar that can show me some proof of such an answer?

Thanks for taking the time to read and hopefully answer this question.

Yes, there is in fact a program called "Stairway to Hell", so all these comments that say it's bullshit...well, they don't know it exist or they are too young to know about it ( heard it). I used to have this, but lost it in the storm (Katrina). I do have a friend that has a copy, that I've been meaning to hook up with. I'll post a link to it one day if I have a way to put it on youtube, but it may be a while...Basically, it's some preacher guy pointing out all the satanic sayings in Stairway. Then the song is played in it's normal form, then backwards from start to finish. At the end a voice says..." How can these men sing so happily, while they murdered millions"!

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Okay, whoever is reading this, I hope you can answer my question, but first, let me explain WHY I have this question. I might not even be the first, or the last, but I do need an answer.

On Youtube, there are many decipherings of Led Zeppelin's song "Stairway to Heaven" played backward. Well, I've heard so many that it angers me. It's amazing how they deciphered it that I just want to know:

In "Stairway to Heaven", is there a song called "Stairway to Hell" when it's played backward? If so, can you point me to a website or something similar that can show me some proof of such an answer?

Thanks for taking the time to read and hopefully answer this question.

i have a cassette tape copy that was made for me from the 45 rmp. im going back to 1989 when i got it from a friend. there is a preacher who dictates the satanic messages in the song and then plays each segment as he hears them. after the long explanation the entire song is played backwards. it is a load of crap but a one of a kind gem at the time i recieved it
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The reason people will hear "messages" when lyrics are played backward is twofold: First, the mind is designed to fill in the gaps so to speak when it receives information piecemeal and out of order. That is why the famous trick where whatever word you write, regardless of the order of the letters, as long as the first and last letters are in place you instantly know the word. It's also the reason some people who have sensitive hearing, at night when all is very quiet, believe they can hear music being played or several voices talking which you cannot quite make out. Again, this is the brain trying to interpret the subtle ambient sounds around us, resulting in those mish-mash sounds being interpreted as song or voices. Backward masking plays on this. The second reason is the person presenting this info always tells you beforehand what you are supposed to be hearing. There was an example of a controlled experiment back in the 80's at Berkeley where 100 students were played music backwards by such amazing artists as Captain & Tenille, Donny & Marie, and of course those crazy satanists Tony Orlando & Dawn. First they simply played the music backwards and then asked the students if they heard any identifiable words...30% said they did not hear anything but noise and the remaining 70% claimed they heard something, however all heard something completely different. The second part the experimenters told them what they would hear and then played the exact same parts played previously again and guess what??? 88% heard exactly what the researchers told them they would hear. See, nothing evil, just the brain trying to make sense of garbled info with a little guiding hand from the true masters of evil...evangelicals!

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anyone with this oild chestnut has another piece of the story


This is exactly what I had.......What a valuable and interesting piece of material to own at the time (and still is) - total bullshit through and through-but part of the history of "backwards unmasking" no doubt.

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anyone with this oild chestnut has another piece of the story


Not only have I never seen or heard this record, I didn't even know it existed.

But then, I never was interested or put much stock in all those rumours about Led Zeppelin singing to "my sweet satan" and the backwards masking baloney. I'm old and decrepit enough to remember the "Paul is Dead" craze that flourished in the late-60s and all I got out of that was ruined copies of my Beatles records from playing them backwards and fucking up the groove and my needle.

When I first started hearing whispers of supposed hidden messages in "Stairway to Heaven" around 1976 or 1977, my bullshit detector immediately went off, and I refused to fall for this latest ruse. I wasn't going to ruin my Led Zeppelin IV album playing it backwards.

That's why when this thread first surfaced, I read the original post and took a pass. For one thing, anyone who puts the slightest credence in the backwards masking is immediately suspect to me. There's an idiot on YouTube who goes by the name of WorldWideZep or WorldWideKillers and he posts some pretty good Zeppelin clips on his account. But he has this annoying and infantile habit of always titling "STH" "Stairway to Hell".

For another, I knew there was no need to respond as there would be plenty of other members here that would reply and set this Thread-starter straight.

But this morning, thanks to Turn the Page's bump, this thread caught my eye, and for the first time I decided to read thru the entire thread...and I am glad I did.

For no other reason than Evster's Thelemic posts...thanks, dude! :thumbsup:

I was having flashbacks to being in the Bodhi Tree bookshop(where I got to meet and shake hands with Robert and Jimmy several times over the years)...my friends Flash and Roxanne worked there and you could always count on a discussion of Crowley, Thelemic thought and the Occult taking place there on a regular basis.

Man, I miss Ev. :(

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